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Re: Alpine Riding and You - Part 1
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2016, 11:32:50 AM »
Okay, I read it. I would say it is a good primer, lots of details that could cause everyone to go down a rabbit hole, but to just be a basic guide, I think it is good. I also assume (maybe falsely) that most here are pretty familiar with this stuff. Alpine passes have more of this, but WV and OR have places where this would apply also.
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Re: Alpine Riding and You - Part 1
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2016, 11:47:10 AM »
Or Proficient Motorcycling or... lots of sources. This is the KISS version of "all of the above". And it's here and accessible for free.

One of the takeaways is there's always something to work on to make riding work better. Plenty of people, unfortunately, hit a plateau and stay there. If someone looks at this and moves off the plateau, good. If someone who's still trying to sort things out sees something helpful, good.

I have no doubt the thread needs to go on a diet. I have no doubt some of the technical stuff can be tuned. I didn't say anything about or show Freddy sliding on the seat, for example. Or anything about riding two up or with stuff in bags. I certainly didn't talk about weather, skid recovery, etc., etc. Considering this is Beginner's Garage, I stuck with the beginner stuff.

I used the Alp context because I found this is about the most concentrated environment to work from. Hairpins, significant grades, traffic taking up the whole road... most street riding doesn't approach this (see my RR for how things fell apart when I lost these basics - talk about a self-psych-out...). Ease the constraints (wider road, larger radius, less traffic, easier grades) and it's all very easy. Until things tighten up (Route 7 across southern Vermont, the Carolinas, and, I assume, the Rockies and similar - only been in Utah, and only once). Why not do it from a hard, but manageable, context and then, when it gets easy, take it easy?

The key point, though, is this is KISS. If, afterward, people ask questions or look for more information, good.

FOOTNOTE: In my brief ski instructor "career", there was a training lesson about:
Unconscious incompetence - things are wrong and you don't know it
Conscious incompetence - things are wrong and you know it
Conscious competence - you do it right and have to think about it
Unconscious competence - you do it right and don't think about it

If I can get someone to recognize some level of incompetence and move them toward conscious competence, good.
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Re: Alpine Riding and You - Part 1
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2016, 11:54:32 AM »
Okay, I read it. I would say it is a good primer, lots of details that could cause everyone to go down a rabbit hole, but to just be a basic guide, I think it is good. I also assume (maybe falsely) that most here are pretty familiar with this stuff. Alpine passes have more of this, but WV and OR have places where this would apply also.

^^This. And add any state that contains relatively young mountains - Rockies, Sierra Nevadas, Cascades, etc. I have several hairpins in local areas I ride. The hardest part for me is to twist my head around so that I can look as far up the road as I can so I can set up the turn correctly.

Not trying to be a dick, but would a copy of Sport Riding Techniques, total control, or twist of the wrist be a lot easier than all this?

.... or taking a class?

Many people can learn from reading, but I can't. I have to go and do it with instruction and supervision. I fall in the 'too long; didn't read' camp, so if you were trying to keep it simple, it failed with me because I'm not going to read all that. Just being honest as gently as I can.
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Re: Alpine Riding and You - Part 1
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2016, 12:02:37 PM »
  Look at the videos I mentioned to watch riders critically. There are a lot of "got away with it" people, occasionally someone has a more or less exciting moment, and a minority get it right. With the cameras on helmets, how often does someone turn to look uphill? Downhill is generally easier, but again, not a lot of helmet motion. How many helmets turn to track well past the turn in the road. Sort through YouTube and see how often the rider, sitting on the bike like a sack of oats, tilts everything including his head, a) with the bike's lean, and b) doesn't try for a level view.

I do this stuff as much on the back roads in the Blue Ridge area near me as anywhere else. Nothing like coming around a blind inside corner on the go-fast line, only to find Farmer Zook plodding along on the inside of the road, too. Looking up through the trees to see a logging truck coming down makes for a gladsome heart to know there's time to cope. Yada yada yada

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Re: Alpine Riding and You - Part 1
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2016, 12:04:32 PM »
No problem. Some people learn by reading, some by looking, all by doing.  :)
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