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Kimber Ultra Carry II
« on: February 07, 2015, 04:34:06 PM »
Stopped by the local toy shop and they had a gorgeous stainless custom .45 in the case.  Pricing was reasonable and they now do layaway too.  It's calling my name, but im asking for informed opinions on the functionality and accuracy here.  What say the collective font of knowledge on this hand gun?

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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2015, 04:55:11 PM »
Have 2. A Pro Carry II that's my CHL and a Super Match (custom shop).

Both are keepers that I really like. Hard to beat the out-of-the-box price/options for a 1911.

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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2015, 05:45:02 PM »
Been having trouble with my brother's super carry pro. Extractor issues. Generally Kimbers are well regarded though
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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2015, 08:39:46 PM »
I've had a Super Carry Ultra for two years so far.  Compared to my G17, I actually shoot the Kimber better. 

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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2015, 08:41:02 PM »
It's the only gun I own which I take out every now and then just look at it.  They make a pretty piece.


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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2015, 09:31:23 PM »
I think I just got all tingly....^^^   :drif:
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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2015, 10:35:53 PM »
They also have a Kimber Eclipse Ultra II, lightly used with three mags for $1000.  I may just go that route.

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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2015, 12:48:27 AM »
Kimber builds guns that are long on features and short on QC.  Main issues relate to magwells not being cut square to the frame and finishes being poorly (or not) applied.

They had some stellar guns in the Clackamas days and some very, very dark years with an external extractor that didn't work and a safety system with the same basic quality; they've improved a bit and probably aren't much different than non-custom shop Springfields EXCEPT they usually leave barrels in the white, so either live in Arizona or keep it in oil.  If the magwell isn't square to the frame, return it, because it can't be fixed.

Short 1911s all suffer from incredibly short recoil spring life.  On a 3.5 I'd expect to get two range trips, maybe three tops.  The reduction in slide mass generates a bunch of issues and you should watch the barrel lugs carefully because most of those guns beat themselves to death pretty quickly.

If you want to own it, just keep it greased.  If you want to shoot it, buy something else.
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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2015, 07:21:17 AM »


Short 1911s all suffer from incredibly short recoil spring life.  On a 3.5 I'd expect to get two range trips, maybe three tops.  The reduction in slide mass generates a bunch of issues and you should watch the barrel lugs carefully because most of those guns beat themselves to death pretty quickly.

If you want to own it, just keep it greased.  If you want to shoot it, buy something else.

I respect your opinion a lot.  I've taken your advice more often than not.  But, I'm not sure I agree with you about the recoil spring life on the 3.5.  I've shot at least 500 rounds though this thing in the last two years and there's not been one issue.  While 500 rounds isn't spectacular, it's more than just two range visits. 

That said, I do break this down after every other trip to lube it.  The Glock just sits there w/o getting any love.  :lol:  I just need an excuse to look at the little Kimber more so an excuse is to take it out and clean/lube it.   ;)

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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2015, 10:45:49 AM »
they usually leave barrels in the white

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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2015, 11:26:35 AM »


Short 1911s all suffer from incredibly short recoil spring life.  On a 3.5 I'd expect to get two range trips, maybe three tops.  The reduction in slide mass generates a bunch of issues and you should watch the barrel lugs carefully because most of those guns beat themselves to death pretty quickly.

If you want to own it, just keep it greased.  If you want to shoot it, buy something else.

I respect your opinion a lot.  I've taken your advice more often than not.  But, I'm not sure I agree with you about the recoil spring life on the 3.5.  I've shot at least 500 rounds though this thing in the last two years and there's not been one issue.  While 500 rounds isn't spectacular, it's more than just two range visits. 

That said, I do break this down after every other trip to lube it.  The Glock just sits there w/o getting any love.  :lol:  I just need an excuse to look at the little Kimber more so an excuse is to take it out and clean/lube it.   ;)
500 rounds IS two range trips for me.  A short evening is 200, a longer (or more round-intensive drills) one is 300.

I'd replace the RS after 5-600 rounds or the gun will almost certainly start battering the lugs.  You can also have a look at the firing pin stop - a flat bottomed one might extend the life of your spring.  OTOH, it's a screwed up slide mass compared to an actual 1911 so tuning it can be flaky.

In general, guns below 4.25" get pretty weird.  For me personally, 500 rounds is a month of running a gun and my experience with short 1911s has been that somewhere around 12-1500 rounds they've gotten really twitchy.

I mean no offense by this but if you're only going to put say 2000 rounds through it over the life of the gun, then you fall into my category of "owning it and keeping it oiled up so it doesn't rust".

I think my main shooter has had close to that since the summer...and that's only because I keep getting sent other guns to test, so I'm not shooting my personal guns as much.





Leaving barrels in the white = no surface finish on the carbon steel barrel.  I've seen them arrive from the factory with rust on them.  I have nothing against carbon steel barrels necessarily, but you need to know what you're getting into.  Obviously if you go with a stainless barrel this is less of an issue but Kimber is kind of notorious for stainless that might stain less than their carbon steel...but it can be pretty stainy for stainless.
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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2015, 02:04:14 PM »
500 rounds IS two range trips for me.  A short evening is 200, a longer (or more round-intensive drills) one is 300.



That explains a lot.  :lol:


For me, more than 50 rounds in any gun at the range and it's the rule of diminished return at my level.

Thanks for the tips and feedback.  No offense taken.

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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2015, 08:47:09 PM »
Had my Pro Carry II for (carry the 3) more than 20 years? It's still the OEM recoil spring and I can assure you more than 500 rounds have gone through it in that time.

I've had no QC issues with it or my Super Match II. Neither has my brother with his full-length version.

What I want to know is where to get a threaded bbl for the Pro Carry II if I decide to get a suppressor.

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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2015, 09:44:09 PM »
20+ years means it's a Clackamas gun...they were extremely well built.  The Clackamas Kimbers were competitive with anything put out by the Springfield Custom Shop or Les Baer (although their finishes were better than anything I have seen from Baer).

They have probably done a very good job of balancing the reduced slide mass and increased velocity necessary to make it run.  But you are still relying on a radically shortened recoil spring and there's no way around the fact that short 1911s burn those out.  If it still cycles defensive ammo well after several thousand rounds that's borderline miraculous.  If it's getting ball, well, it'll probably run that way but I would pull that spring, compare it to a new one, and then start looking for possible damage to the frame.

Kimber's QC began to come apart after Ron Cohen took over as CEO.  He farmed small parts manufacture out to a bunch of Israeli MIM houses that initially did decent work, but who themselves then subcontracted to a bunch of Indian MIM shops that did lousy work.  You can run MIM parts in a 1911 with no issues (and I do on my Baer, for example) but it does have to be good MIM.

Cohen gutted Kimber's QC structure and made the company incredibly profitable - the guns were cheaper and faster to build.  He also pushed a ton of dumb finishes and options which sold well, but made worse pistols.  He's great at making money.

He then got hired by SIG, which is why SIG has QC problems now, and why their guns are available in a ton of embarrassing finishes.  It's also why Kimber 1911s have been getting better since the mid-2000s.
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Re: Kimber Ultra Carry II
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2015, 09:54:20 PM »
Mis- an OT question for you:
  You are in Canada, no?  How do you get and test all the guns you do?  Doesn't Canada have super strict handgun laws?  Just curious.
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