Author Topic: RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman (Read 7720 times)

Scratch · « **on:** February 02, 2014, 01:31:22 PM »

Dead at the age of 46; drug overdose.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/02/showbiz/philip-seymour-hoffman-obit/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

giaka · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2014, 01:51:03 PM »

I just saw that, bummer. RIP big guy.

squeezer · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2014, 01:56:24 PM »

One of my favorite actors. So much talent. Such a waste.

Veefer800canuck · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2014, 09:59:49 PM »

One of my faves too. Loved him as Brandt.

"Mr Lebowski is in secluuusion in the west wing...."

JonS · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2014, 06:22:20 AM »

This is the first I have heard about his death. Anytime I saw his name in a movie cast, I knew it would be a movie worth seeing. RIP.

Cablebandit · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2014, 07:25:52 AM »

Never heard of him.

Just another drug addict dead with a needle in his arm. I wonder if his kids found him that way?

squeezer · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2014, 10:07:51 AM »

No, he wasn't just another addict. He was brilliant as both actor and director, with several Tony nominations and an Oscar on his resume. And he died a stupid and shitty death.

Spanky · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2014, 10:28:43 AM »

Loved him in Charlie Wilson's War. I thought he made that movie. He will be missed.

chornbe · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2014, 10:42:45 AM »

I guess I'm in the minority... I felt like he's been phoning it in for a while, and that he developed DeNiro's Disease in his later stuff (ya know, one tone, one face, one character).

Sucks that he died... well, that he offed himself, really. $:-\$

doc4216 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 03, 2014, 11:18:36 AM »

Quote from: squeezer on February 03, 2014, 10:07:51 AM

No, he wasn't just another addict. He was brilliant as both actor and director, with several Tony nominations and an Oscar on his resume. And he died a stupid and shitty death.

Actually he was an addict. He was very much into drugs earlier in his career but then was sober for 23years. In an interview last year he spoke of falling off the wagon but was getting back in rehab. He was supposed to pick his kids up at 9am and didn't which is why someone went and found him, but I don't believe it was his kids.

I actually thought he was a great actor and enjoyed his career and characters.

PatM · « **Reply #10 on:** February 03, 2014, 11:52:09 AM »

It's very easy to stand on high moral ground when you're not addicted.
But when you're caught in it or have someone close to you that's an addict, it's not so easy.
Addictions are diseases and you're in it for life. There is no cure. The best you can hope is to survive, one day at a time.

It's just sad, really, that he died. RIP

Cablebandit · « **Reply #11 on:** February 03, 2014, 12:01:02 PM »

Meh. It's a choice not to take that first jump into the drug scene. He chose to dive in and paid the price.

Black Hills · « **Reply #12 on:** February 03, 2014, 12:22:26 PM »

Quote from: Cablebandit on February 03, 2014, 12:01:02 PM

Meh. It's a choice not to take that first jump into the drug scene. He chose to dive in and paid the price.

no different than riding deaths, is it

Formerly Known as Bigfoot · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2014, 12:29:18 PM »

The best in some people seem to shine with events like this. I'm all for celebrating when a robbery suspect is shot and killed by the victim or other similar stupid bad guy deaths. But the death of an addict, even a brilliant actor, hits too close to home. I have a family member who became an addict thanks to pain meds following surgery but we've had him clean for a year now. I guess until it hits close to someone you love you can afford to be callous.

Cablebandit · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2014, 02:05:46 PM »

Quote from: Black Hills on February 03, 2014, 12:22:26 PM

Quote from: Cablebandit on February 03, 2014, 12:01:02 PM
Meh. It's a choice not to take that first jump into the drug scene. He chose to dive in and paid the price.

no different than riding deaths, is it

Nope.

SuperHans · « **Reply #15 on:** February 03, 2014, 02:16:58 PM »

I've dealt with addicts and also had some trouble with drinking in my early years. We all have issues to deal with. I Never feel sorry for those who choose substance abuse over their children and family. It is a choice. I wont say its an easy one, but its a choice that should be made.

Black Hills · « **Reply #16 on:** February 03, 2014, 02:38:18 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known as Bigfoot on February 03, 2014, 12:29:18 PM

The best in some people seem to shine with events like this. I'm all for celebrating when a robbery suspect is shot and killed by the victim or other similar stupid bad guy deaths. But the death of an addict, even a brilliant actor, hits too close to home. I have a family member who became an addict thanks to pain meds following surgery but we've had him clean for a year now. I guess until it hits close to someone you love you can afford to be callous.

I don't put much thought into it, or riding deaths for that matter. we all make choices and those choices can, and will sometimes lead to our demise. At the time of death it is a sad thing for everyone involved, for most that feeling fades rather quickly. for others it hangs on, sometimes dragging them to their end as well. the world is a cold place, do what you can

that said I don't understand addiction (or any mental illness) at all? I have bottles of oxycontin. oxycodone, codeine, etc. from ACL replacement, took one the first night and that was it. See no reason to take them at all? alcohol is the same for me, I can drink too much, and occasionally do. but it is always the social aspect not the alcohol that causes it to happen. Left alone with a fridge full of beer I won't drink any, add a couple dirtbike buddies and we'll drink it all? can't understand why someone would sit at home alone and shoot up? apparently it is a terrible thing to deal with.

doc4216 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 03, 2014, 05:42:48 PM »

I hope my original post wasnt taken as I think I'm on a high road. I too have had family members suffer with addiction, all different types, not just drugs. It's a horrible disease, I personally feel it's one of the worst. But, he was an addict, and tragically, addiction took a great actor. I didn't know him, I didn't know what kind of father he was or how he acted towards people but I will sincerely miss his movies.

tyrroneous · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2014, 11:42:45 AM »

Quote from: doc4216 on February 03, 2014, 05:42:48 PM

I didn't know him, I didn't know what kind of father he was or how he acted towards people but I will sincerely miss his movies.

I think his actions spoke volumes as to what kind of father he was. As somebody stated earlier, he chose heroin over his children. End of story.

bomber · « **Reply #19 on:** February 04, 2014, 02:31:51 PM »

Quote from: tyrroneous on February 04, 2014, 11:42:45 AM

Quote from: doc4216 on February 03, 2014, 05:42:48 PM
I didn't know him, I didn't know what kind of father he was or how he acted towards people but I will sincerely miss his movies.

I think his actions spoke volumes as to what kind of father he was. As somebody stated earlier, he chose heroin over his children. End of story.

I am lucky not to be able to speak to this first hand.

I doubt if it was a "choice," as most would understand the word.

End of story -- writing that deosn't make it so.

giaka · « **Reply #20 on:** February 04, 2014, 05:39:50 PM »

Heroin laced with a drug 100x more powerful than morphine? WTF?

I'm pretty sure my brother in law didn't choose to be an addict, but yeap he chose to use meth. Meth laced with some sort of speed kicked his ass and put him in a pine box (heart attack at 34).

I never understood putting a potentially powerful substance in your body that was brewed up in someones old trailer.

Then again people put crap in their bodies everyday that are legal with the same results. My dad had a very poor diet and smoked cigarettes like crazy. Heart attack at 42, my step dad smoked and was an alcoholic. Liver failure and lung cancer put him under. My mom is an alcoholic (sober for four years) and liver failure will eventually be her demise (its already an issue). Do/will these three people deserve more compassion because the drugs they used were legal? Does my step brother and Hoffman deserve less? The answer is no in my opinion.

Black Hills · « **Reply #21 on:** February 05, 2014, 08:10:59 AM »

Quote from: giaka on February 04, 2014, 05:39:50 PM

Heroin laced with a drug 100x more powerful than morphine? WTF?

I'm pretty sure my brother in law didn't choose to be an addict, but yeap he chose to use meth. Meth laced with some sort of speed kicked his ass and put him in a pine box (heart attack at 34).

I never understood putting a potentially powerful substance in your body that was brewed up in someones old trailer.

Then again people put crap in their bodies everyday that are legal with the same results. My dad had a very poor diet and smoked cigarettes like crazy. Heart attack at 42, my step dad smoked and was an alcoholic. Liver failure and lung cancer put him under. My mom is an alcoholic (sober for four years) and liver failure will eventually be her demise (its already an issue). Do/will these three people deserve more compassion because the drugs they used were legal? Does my step brother and Hoffman deserve less? The answer is no in my opinion.

I agree, it's easy to judge those who's acceptable risk is different than our own. I assume the same conversation can be had over the latest motorcycle death.... "he chose to ride over his kids, just another rider, I can't feel sorry for anyone that makes that choice".

miles · « **Reply #22 on:** February 05, 2014, 08:12:10 AM »

The latest news is that there was no additive in the heroin.

bomber · « **Reply #23 on:** February 05, 2014, 09:30:02 AM »

Quote from: miles on February 05, 2014, 08:12:10 AM

The latest news is that there was no additive in the heroin.

Heroine needs no additive.

Cookie · « **Reply #24 on:** February 05, 2014, 11:53:55 AM »

No Christmas for junkies.

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CLAY · « **Reply #25 on:** February 05, 2014, 05:15:42 PM »

A GREAT article by Russel Brand. Personally I don't care for him, but this is an amazing piece of writing concerning his battle with staying clean:

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The last time I thought about taking heroin was yesterday. I had received "an inconvenient truth" from a beautiful woman. It wasn't about climate change – I'm not that ecologically switched on – she told me she was pregnant and it wasn't mine.

I had to take immediate action. I put Morrissey on in my car as an external conduit for the surging melancholy, and as I wound my way through the neurotic Hollywood hills, the narrow lanes and tight bends were a material echo of the synaptic tangle where my thoughts stalled and jammed.

Morrissey, as ever, conducted a symphony, within and without and the tidal misery burgeoned. I am becoming possessed. The part of me that experienced the negative data, the self, is becoming overwhelmed, I can no longer see where I end and the pain begins. So now I have a choice.

I cannot accurately convey to you the efficiency of heroin in neutralising pain. It transforms a tight, white fist into a gentle, brown wave. From my first inhalation 15 years ago, it fumigated my private hell and lay me down in its hazy pastures and a bathroom floor in Hackney embraced me like a womb.

This shadow is darkly cast on the retina of my soul and whenever I am dislodged from comfort my focus falls there.

It is 10 years since I used drugs or drank alcohol and my life has improved immeasurably. I have a job, a house, a cat, good friendships and generally a bright outlook.

The price of this is constant vigilance because the disease of addiction is not rational. Recently for the purposes of a documentary on this subject I reviewed some footage of myself smoking heroin that my friend had shot as part of a typically exhibitionist attempt of mine to get clean.

I sit wasted and slumped with an unacceptable haircut against a wall in another Hackney flat (Hackney is starting to seem like part of the problem) inhaling fizzy, black snakes of smack off a scrap of crumpled foil. When I saw the tape a month or so ago, what is surprising is that my reaction is not one of gratitude for the positive changes I've experienced but envy at witnessing an earlier version of myself unencumbered by the burden of abstinence. I sat in a suite at the Savoy hotel, in privilege, resenting the woeful ratbag I once was, who, for all his problems, had drugs. That is obviously irrational.

Read the rest here:
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2013/mar/09/russell-brand-life-without-drugs

Flyer · « **Reply #26 on:** February 06, 2014, 03:58:52 PM »

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...When I saw the tape a month or so ago, what is surprising is that my reaction is not one of gratitude for the positive changes I've experienced but envy at witnessing an earlier version of myself unencumbered by the burden of abstinence.

Too late, drug users find that they have the disease of addiction. What starts as a quick and easy method of easing one kind of pain, or another, quickly escalates, and they are lost.
I've saved a few friends, lost too many more, and continue to support those who remain in an effort to help them learn to accept the groaning pain that is life.

bomber · « **Reply #27 on:** February 06, 2014, 04:04:44 PM »

Quote from: Flyer on February 06, 2014, 03:58:52 PM

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...When I saw the tape a month or so ago, what is surprising is that my reaction is not one of gratitude for the positive changes I've experienced but envy at witnessing an earlier version of myself unencumbered by the burden of abstinence.
Too late, drug users find that they have the disease of addiction. What starts as a quick and easy method of easing one kind of pain, or another, quickly escalates, and they are lost.
I've saved a few friends, lost too many more, and continue to support those who remain in an effort to help them learn to accept the groaning pain that is life.

First, well done . . . . .you are clearly a good friend.

Second, perhaps a conversation that groaning pain is not the entirety of a life, unless you decide that it is. There is joy and happiness, but they won't hunt YOU down . . . . .

Black Hills · « **Reply #28 on:** February 06, 2014, 04:41:34 PM »

Quote from: bomber on February 06, 2014, 04:04:44 PM

Second, perhaps a conversation that groaning pain is not the entirety of a life, unless you decide that it is. There is joy and happiness, but they won't hunt YOU down . . . . .

this would do the majority of society some good.

JonS · « **Reply #29 on:** February 07, 2014, 07:19:37 AM »

Quote from: bomber on February 06, 2014, 04:04:44 PM

Quote from: Flyer on February 06, 2014, 03:58:52 PM
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...When I saw the tape a month or so ago, what is surprising is that my reaction is not one of gratitude for the positive changes I've experienced but envy at witnessing an earlier version of myself unencumbered by the burden of abstinence.
Too late, drug users find that they have the disease of addiction. What starts as a quick and easy method of easing one kind of pain, or another, quickly escalates, and they are lost.
I've saved a few friends, lost too many more, and continue to support those who remain in an effort to help them learn to accept the groaning pain that is life.

First, well done . . . . .you are clearly a good friend.

Second, perhaps a conversation that groaning pain is not the entirety of a life, unless you decide that it is. There is joy and happiness, but they won't hunt YOU down . . . . .

Your second statement is so on the money. While I have never viewed life as a "groaning pain ", sometimes I forget the joy and happiness that is usually in reach.

capirex · « **Reply #30 on:** February 07, 2014, 07:56:27 AM »

Alan Sorkin, also an addict, penned a nice tribute to Hoffman as well.
http://entertainment.time.com/2014/02/05/aaron-sorkin-philip-seymour-hoffmans-death-saved-10-lives/

Not sure how I feel about the 'saving 10 lives' but his comments on the misuse of the term 'overdose' struck me:

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Phil Hoffman, this kind, decent, magnificent, thunderous actor, who was never outwardly “right” for any role but who completely dominated the real estate upon which every one of his characters walked, did not die from an overdose of heroin — he died from heroin. We should stop implying that if he’d just taken the proper amount then everything would have been fine. He didn’t die because he was partying too hard or because he was depressed — he died because he was an addict on a day of the week with a y in it.

giaka · « **Reply #31 on:** February 07, 2014, 11:03:03 AM »

Quote from: bomber on February 06, 2014, 04:04:44 PM

Second, perhaps a conversation that groaning pain is not the entirety of a life, unless you decide that it is. There is joy and happiness, but they won't hunt YOU down . . . . .

My dad used to do things to try and annoy me. Once he realized that he was starting to get under my skin he would ask "does this bother you?" and I would say YES and he would reply with "Don't let it". At the time, I didn't understand how valuable that "skill" really is.

Orson · « **Reply #32 on:** February 08, 2014, 12:43:39 PM »

Quote from: CLAY on February 05, 2014, 05:15:42 PM

A GREAT article by Russel Brand. Personally I don't care for him, but this is an amazing piece of writing concerning his battle with staying clean:
Quote
The last time I thought about taking heroin was yesterday. I had received "an inconvenient truth" from a beautiful woman. It wasn't about climate change – I'm not that ecologically switched on – she told me she was pregnant and it wasn't mine.

I had to take immediate action. I put Morrissey on in my car as an external conduit for the surging melancholy, and as I wound my way through the neurotic Hollywood hills, the narrow lanes and tight bends were a material echo of the synaptic tangle where my thoughts stalled and jammed.

Morrissey, as ever, conducted a symphony, within and without and the tidal misery burgeoned. I am becoming possessed. The part of me that experienced the negative data, the self, is becoming overwhelmed, I can no longer see where I end and the pain begins. So now I have a choice.

I cannot accurately convey to you the efficiency of heroin in neutralising pain. It transforms a tight, white fist into a gentle, brown wave. From my first inhalation 15 years ago, it fumigated my private hell and lay me down in its hazy pastures and a bathroom floor in Hackney embraced me like a womb.

This shadow is darkly cast on the retina of my soul and whenever I am dislodged from comfort my focus falls there.

It is 10 years since I used drugs or drank alcohol and my life has improved immeasurably. I have a job, a house, a cat, good friendships and generally a bright outlook.

The price of this is constant vigilance because the disease of addiction is not rational. Recently for the purposes of a documentary on this subject I reviewed some footage of myself smoking heroin that my friend had shot as part of a typically exhibitionist attempt of mine to get clean.

I sit wasted and slumped with an unacceptable haircut against a wall in another Hackney flat (Hackney is starting to seem like part of the problem) inhaling fizzy, black snakes of smack off a scrap of crumpled foil. When I saw the tape a month or so ago, what is surprising is that my reaction is not one of gratitude for the positive changes I've experienced but envy at witnessing an earlier version of myself unencumbered by the burden of abstinence. I sat in a suite at the Savoy hotel, in privilege, resenting the woeful ratbag I once was, who, for all his problems, had drugs. That is obviously irrational.

Read the rest here:
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2013/mar/09/russell-brand-life-without-drugs

huh

I thought Brand was a brainless twat.

That piece of writing changes my perspective.