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Flyer · « **Reply #450 on:** April 20, 2020, 05:16:35 PM »

Quote from: minimac on April 20, 2020, 01:35:31 PM

Quote from: Mrs. DantesDame on April 20, 2020, 12:56:48 PM

That's the point: they are adapting their reactions to the new information that arises every day.
By coming out with statements as "fact' only to be contradicted later, undermines any validity in what is put forth later.

Sorry, but I've not heard any Biomedical Doctor profess any fact about this virus beside the fact that it's created a PANDEMIC.
Only our Great Grandparents really knew what that means, but they're all gone...
If you are prepared to listen to only pundits and trolls, the noise drowns out rational discussion.

chornbe · « **Reply #451 on:** April 20, 2020, 05:33:18 PM »

Quote from: squeezer on April 20, 2020, 01:47:41 PM

Quote from: minimac on April 20, 2020, 01:35:31 PM
Quote from: Mrs. DantesDame on April 20, 2020, 12:56:48 PM

That's the point: they are adapting their reactions to the new information that arises every day.

Then why not just say that they have no clue what they're dealing with, but are learning. By coming out with statements as "fact' only to be contradicted later, undermines any validity in what is put forth later.

The scientists have been saying exactly that. And that's why they also say that reopening when we haven't even put a competent testing plan in place is silly.

* ding *

Whippy told me today he expects to see full testing available by the end of May.

squeezer · « **Reply #452 on:** April 20, 2020, 05:42:59 PM »

Quote from: chornbe on April 20, 2020, 05:33:18 PM

Quote from: squeezer on April 20, 2020, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: minimac on April 20, 2020, 01:35:31 PM
Quote from: Mrs. DantesDame on April 20, 2020, 12:56:48 PM

That's the point: they are adapting their reactions to the new information that arises every day.

Then why not just say that they have no clue what they're dealing with, but are learning. By coming out with statements as "fact' only to be contradicted later, undermines any validity in what is put forth later.

The scientists have been saying exactly that. And that's why they also say that reopening when we haven't even put a competent testing plan in place is silly.

* ding *

Whippy told me today he expects to see full testing available by the end of May.

That's finally some good news and would change the conversation. And Whippy's a pretty clued in source for that.

zer0netgain · « **Reply #453 on:** April 20, 2020, 06:04:18 PM »

Interesting article.

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2020/04/15/israeli-professor-shows-virus-follows-fixed-pattern-n2566915

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #454 on:** April 20, 2020, 06:11:08 PM »

Wouldn't that be interesting if a warming world was inhospitable to SARS-Covid-2.

Skee · « **Reply #455 on:** April 20, 2020, 07:16:59 PM »

Quote from: zer0netgain on April 20, 2020, 06:04:18 PM

Interesting article.

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2020/04/15/israeli-professor-shows-virus-follows-fixed-pattern-n2566915

I trust you saw the little red box with the white capital letters on the upper left side of the page that says “OPINION”. Ok, you got me. I can’t believe I was dumb enough to click that link

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #456 on:** April 20, 2020, 07:37:25 PM »

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But what about Italy and their staggering 12% mortality rate? “The health system in Italy has its own problems. It has nothing to do with coronavirus. In 2017 it also collapsed because of the flu,” Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel told the news agency. Indeed, Italy’s exceptionally high coronavirus mortality rate is eerily reminiscent of their unusually high flu mortality rates. Supportive of this theory, Germany, has low flu infection and mortality rates and similarly low coronavirus rates.

I like it! Not because of poor Italy, but because we were never going to be like Italy as we don't have their aging population. The MSM fear porn was very recent.

zer0netgain · « **Reply #457 on:** April 21, 2020, 04:14:59 AM »

Quote from: Skee on April 20, 2020, 07:16:59 PM

Quote from: zer0netgain on April 20, 2020, 06:04:18 PM
Interesting article.

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2020/04/15/israeli-professor-shows-virus-follows-fixed-pattern-n2566915

I trust you saw the little red box with the white capital letters on the upper left side of the page that says “OPINION”. Ok, you got me. I can’t believe I was dumb enough to click that link

IIRC, the article states that the conclusion is the opinion that shutting down the economy was unnecessary based on the results of his study of the virus’ behavior....that we’d have seen the same ebbing off regardless.

I find that the numbers indicating that the virus follows a pattern regardless of preventative measures interesting in and of itself.

The first half of the article is factual reporting, the second half is where the writer is exclusively uttering his/her opinion.

Just because it’s an opinion piece doesn’t mean there are facts in the article....you just need to know how to distinguish one from another.

radon222 · « **Reply #458 on:** April 21, 2020, 06:31:54 AM »

Do we really need to go back to the graph showing curves with and without protective measures? I comes down to a trade off of Amplitude vs. Period. With no social distancing sure this thing might be further behind us, but at what cost?

When you're not directly in one of the hot zones, you have a different perspective from those who are. Me included, right now the whole things seems crazy looking from the beach.

But then I was talking to a friend. His normal day job is a NICU Respiratory Therapist. In a hospital in Westcester County NY. Ya there. In the last month plus, he's been there, he's seen it, he lived through his own CoVid infection. You want to know what his big news was last night when I talked to him? His hospital finally went 24 hrs without having to intubate a CoVID patient for the first time in over a month.

Think about it from that perspective as if it was your neighborhood, town, county getting hammered? Because it still could be, this ride ain't over yet.

Cookie · « **Reply #459 on:** April 21, 2020, 06:58:40 AM »

Thank you.

That's the problem where I am. We are very rural. I was just chatting with a fellow AA guy that still goes to meetings in person. He says he's not buying the hype.

I agree that msm spreads fear and loathing but at the same time it's quite clear that this is an ugly situation to be taken seriously.

I don't want to be the guy with no symptoms that kills your mom or sick child so I'll do my part.

Vulcanbill · « **Reply #460 on:** April 21, 2020, 07:59:44 AM »

Ditto. It's hard when you're not in the thick of it. I know there are starving children all over the world too but since I don't see it every day, well, you know. Reading that article I posted recently about how the virus ravages the body got my spidey senses tingling a little more as well. Thinking that I'm a relatively healthy person with an otherwise bionic immune system is no longer nearly as comforting as it was knowing that that same immune system could actually be what kills me. There are still very few changes in my day to day but my attitude about it leaves much room for improvement. I'm quite blessed that my world is largely unaffected. Granted, that was part of the point of moving out to the sticks but still...

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #461 on:** April 21, 2020, 08:31:50 AM »

You've all just described how this isn't a one- size-fits-all. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to go to an AA meeting, wear mask and stay 6 feet apart. Same with Lowes, grocery stores, and other businesses that could be open but are not because we're all pretending we're NYC.

Cookie · « **Reply #462 on:** April 21, 2020, 08:33:50 AM »

We don't want to become New York.

Cookie · « **Reply #463 on:** April 21, 2020, 08:34:24 AM »

On a smaller scale of course.

Mrs. DantesDame · « **Reply #464 on:** April 21, 2020, 08:48:49 AM »

Quote from: Cookie on April 21, 2020, 08:33:50 AM

We don't want to become New York.

Exactly.

It takes one person - one! - to infect an entire town. And that person may never even show any signs, so would be completely ignorant that they even carry the virus.

I've seen it spread fast and far over here. I look at the US and hopefully I'm wrong, but I really can't see how it will get better before it gets worse. Hell, even Wyoming has cases!

maddjack · « **Reply #465 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:10:42 AM »

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 08:31:50 AM

You've all just described how this isn't a one- size-fits-all. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to go to an AA meeting, wear mask and stay 6 feet apart. Same with Lowes, grocery stores, and other businesses that could be open but are not because we're all pretending we're NYC.

Lowes and Grocery stores are open, so are convenience stores beer dist ect.Honeywell is running its Fombell plant balls to the wall, thank god I retired from there. You act like everything is closed.Its not. And while where you live in Pa isn't a hot spot, this area I live in was , is and I am not in the city , a suburb who for a month had the highest infection rate in the county and western end of the state.I have buried people from this shit, I know two who survived but one has lung problems now and shes 33 years old, so go ahead, blow it off, life lessons can be real frackin hard.

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #466 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:15:26 AM »

We're doing it now. Lowes, Home Depot, grocery stores, convenience stores, people outside exercising... Everywhere.

There's a whopping 19 cases in my county. There is no reason other businesses can't open safely.

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #467 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:18:34 AM »

Again, it's not a one size fits all.

"And while where you live in Pa isn't a hot spot, this area I live in was , is and I am not in the city"

chornbe · « **Reply #468 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:18:44 AM »

Imagine if you could just catch ebola or hiv walking within 10 feet of another human.

Bam! If you're anywhere near the high-risk category, it's pretty much the exact same thing. Even for people not considered high risk.

For instance, a 38 year old marathoner in the prime of his life with no underlying medical issues. Dead of covid. Fluke, according to the numbers. Absolutely. A preventable tragedy for him and his family? 100%.

Yeah, it's a neo nazi plot to control everyone.

Cookie · « **Reply #469 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:20:26 AM »

I'll put this here as a point of reference for the future.

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ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #470 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:20:50 AM »

"You act like everything is closed.Its not."

No I am not. That is your misinterpretation.

Cookie · « **Reply #471 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:21:50 AM »

Hopefully we are wrong and you are correct.

chornbe · « **Reply #472 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:22:48 AM »

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 09:18:34 AM

Again, it's not a one size fits all.

"And while where you live in Pa isn't a hot spot, this area I live in was , is and I am not in the city"

And one person passing through Jack's town stops at a gas pump, picks up the bug, stops in your town buys a soda at sheetz, and 500 people passing through there open the same fridge...

The sheetz is open.
The gas station is open.
People are staying 6 feet apart.
But one person didn't take precautions and now hundreds are at risk.

It's about group risk mitigation.

I'm sorry you can't understand that. People can't be counted on to look after others, or themselves.

Get over it.

If you ask me, too much stuff is still operating.

You know what it would have taken in the 80s to eradicate HIV in humans? People staying with the same partner or alone for 10 years. Go out, live life, do all the things. Just keep it in your pants. That was WAY easier. 40 years later only a very select few can come close to affording the medications that keep you alive and healthy, but the virus isn't yet something we can effectively kill. And covid is FAR more contagious and non-host resilient.

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #473 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:25:47 AM »

States and the rest of the world are beginning to reopen. It is a good thing. Get over it.

Cookie · « **Reply #474 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:26:43 AM »

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 09:25:47 AM

States and the rest of the world are beginning to reopen. Get over it.

Can I have your bike?

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #475 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:28:06 AM »

You need to develop the balls to come outside first.

maddjack · « **Reply #476 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:30:46 AM »

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 09:28:06 AM

You need to develop the balls to come outside first.

Getting thru to you is like drilling granite with a paper straw. Why try.Your rants are pathetically comical, in scope and wackiness.

chornbe · « **Reply #477 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:31:26 AM »

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 09:25:47 AM

States and the rest of the world are beginning to reopen. It is a good thing. Get over it.

As John noted, I hope you're right, I hope your belief is correct. I believe your way of thinking will kill a shit ton more people before we have a handle on this.

But hey... belief is a powerful thing, ain't it.

As you're a fellow human, I hope you don't have to bury anyone as a result of this blight.
As you seem to be an apparent narrow minded jerk who wants to see people die, I think you will.
I believe you will. And I'm sorry for that. I hope that if you have to go through something like that, you learn something from it.

Belief has killed a lot of people.

Cookie · « **Reply #478 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:32:02 AM »

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 09:28:06 AM

You need to develop the balls to come outside first.

I'm a patient guy. Please leave the title under the seat.

chornbe · « **Reply #479 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:32:48 AM »

Quote from: Cookie on April 21, 2020, 09:32:02 AM

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 09:28:06 AM
You need to develop the balls to come outside first.

I'm a patient guy. Please leave the title under the seat.

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #480 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:34:15 AM »

Perhaps if you'd get back to work you could afford your own.

chornbe · « **Reply #481 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:36:50 AM »

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 09:34:15 AM

Perhaps if you'd get back to work you could afford your own.

** snicker **

Cookie · « **Reply #482 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:43:07 AM »

Quote from: chornbe on April 21, 2020, 09:36:50 AM

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 09:34:15 AM
Perhaps if you'd get back to work you could afford your own.

** snicker **

If he only knew, right?

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #483 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:43:56 AM »

Again, there's nothing that says you can't keep hiding and hoping for a free bike as the rest of the world adapts and moves on. Remember to snitch on your neighbors.

maddjack · « **Reply #484 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:44:28 AM »

Quote from: Cookie on April 21, 2020, 09:43:07 AM

Quote from: chornbe on April 21, 2020, 09:36:50 AM
Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 09:34:15 AM
Perhaps if you'd get back to work you could afford your own.

** snicker **

If he only knew, right?

radon222 · « **Reply #485 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:45:02 AM »

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 09:34:15 AM

Perhaps if you'd get back to work you could afford your own.

You haven't paid attention to Cookies garage..errr Shed recently have you?

Cookie · « **Reply #486 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:46:20 AM »

Quote from: radon222 on April 21, 2020, 09:45:02 AM

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 09:34:15 AM
Perhaps if you'd get back to work you could afford your own.

You haven't paid attention to Cookies garage..errr Shed recently have you?

Its kind of become a barn and some sheds. The new shed is to house the latest addition.

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Cookie · « **Reply #487 on:** April 21, 2020, 09:52:47 AM »

Now as far as the get back to work thing, I am smack in the middle of a very hot county and working which is why I find your displays of ignorance laughable.

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Vulcanbill · « **Reply #488 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:04:46 AM »

I just hope people take this time at home to work on bettering humanity. Like this:

https://www.facebook.com/Megavijesticom/videos/1035322123486056/?t=191

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #489 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:06:51 AM »

You must be terrified that the world is adapting and moving on. There's people a lot smarter than you and chornbie implementing it. If you want a free motorcycle I suggest spending a minute amount on a raffle ticket. Good luck.

Cookie · « **Reply #490 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:09:12 AM »

Quote from: Vulcanbill on April 21, 2020, 10:04:46 AM

I just hope people take this time at home to work on bettering humanity. Like this:

https://www.facebook.com/Megavijesticom/videos/1035322123486056/?t=191

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chornbe · « **Reply #491 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:12:45 AM »

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 10:06:51 AM

You must be terrified that the world is adapting and moving on. There's people a lot smarter than you and chornbie implementing it. If you want a free motorcycle I suggest spending a minute amount on a raffle ticket. Good luck.

I'm glad you didn't include yourself in that list.

No one's saying things can't happen.

People - a LOT of people - are saying it's stupid to just open everything back up and try to return to what was normal a few months back. That version of normal is gone. We need good testing. We don't have it yet. Without that, the world is just pissing in the dark. I'd rather be a tinch more careful than that.

What you call fear is... well... yeah. It's fear. For life. For humanity. Not of the government. Get that through your fucking skull; it's not a police state that I fear, or that is happening at all. It's a radical change to humanity, the human condition, and our being able to survive this as best we all can.

Fuck man, you're smarter than this. Aren't you? Am I just overestimating people? Wtf.

Mrs. DantesDame · « **Reply #492 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:14:06 AM »

I may regret asking but what does this mean?

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 10:06:51 AM

There's people a lot smarter than you and chornbie implementing it.

What "it" are you referring to here?

Also: who doesn't want a free bike? If someone is going to be stupid and jump off a bridge, why not ask if you can have the bike after he's jumped? I mean, otherwise it would just sit there.

garry · « **Reply #493 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:15:31 AM »

Quote from: Vulcanbill on April 21, 2020, 10:04:46 AM

I just hope people take this time at home to work on bettering humanity. Like this:

https://www.facebook.com/Megavijesticom/videos/1035322123486056/?t=191

Like watching a bowl of jello in an earthquake. Impressive muscle control though.

chornbe · « **Reply #494 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:15:44 AM »

Quote from: Mrs. DantesDame on April 21, 2020, 10:14:06 AM

Also: who doesn't want a free bike? If someone is going to be stupid and jump off a bridge, why not ask if you can have the bike after he's jumped? I mean, otherwise it would just sit there.

** ding **

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #495 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:20:27 AM »

That's just incredibly stupid.

Would your motorcycle just "sit there"?

Hint: It's a rhetorical question.

radon222 · « **Reply #496 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:23:49 AM »

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 10:20:27 AM

That's just incredibly stupid.

Would your motorcycle just "sit there"?

Hint: It's a rhetorical question.

If I'm not there to ride it, what the hell else is gonna do? Sure my wife rides her own, but she can't touch the ground on the GSA

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #497 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:25:35 AM »

Quote from: chornbe on April 21, 2020, 10:12:45 AM

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 10:06:51 AM
You must be terrified that the world is adapting and moving on. There's people a lot smarter than you and chornbie implementing it. If you want a free motorcycle I suggest spending a minute amount on a raffle ticket. Good luck.

I'm glad you didn't include yourself in that list.

No one's saying things can't happen.

People - a LOT of people - are saying it's stupid to just open everything back up and try to return to what was normal a few months back. That version of normal is gone. We need good testing. We don't have it yet. Without that, the world is just pissing in the dark. I'd rather be a tinch more careful than that.

What you call fear is... well... yeah. It's fear. For life. For humanity. Not of the government. Get that through your fucking skull; it's not a police state that I fear, or that is happening at all. It's a radical change to humanity, the human condition, and our being able to survive this as best we all can.

Fuck man, you're smarter than this. Aren't you? Am I just overestimating people? Wtf.

Chornbie, before you call others stupid you should probably review your "non-asymptomatic" comment in a recent post.

You see, you're either symptomatic or asymptomatic. K?

ChrisFZ1 · « **Reply #498 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:29:58 AM »

Quote from: radon222 on April 21, 2020, 10:23:49 AM

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 10:20:27 AM
That's just incredibly stupid.

Would your motorcycle just "sit there"?

Hint: It's a rhetorical question.

If I'm not there to ride it, what the hell else is gonna do? Sure my wife rides her own, but she can't touch the ground on the GSA

I'm sorry if your wife wouldn't take care of matters for you after you've jumped off a bridge.

Mrs. DantesDame · « **Reply #499 on:** April 21, 2020, 10:31:22 AM »

Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 10:29:58 AM

Quote from: radon222 on April 21, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
Quote from: ChrisFZ1 on April 21, 2020, 10:20:27 AM
That's just incredibly stupid.

Would your motorcycle just "sit there"?

Hint: It's a rhetorical question.

If I'm not there to ride it, what the hell else is gonna do? Sure my wife rides her own, but she can't touch the ground on the GSA

I'm sorry if your wife wouldn't take care of matters for you after you've jumped off a bridge.