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I need a loan.
« on: June 23, 2014, 07:23:37 PM »
So I could go down to the local Chevy / GMC joint and buy a brand new one ton truck all decked out and pay about 65K and finance it for 72 months and have like a  thousand dollar plus payment.  Guessing it would take a couple hours.  However...

Trying to get a loan for a similar amount for a double wide is very complicated.  For a 15 year loan, the pmt would be like 600 bucks or so...maybe.  But, unless we tie the trailer to the land, it isn't happening.  If I wanted a singlewide, I probably couldn't get a loan to buy that and it would be about 300 bucks a month for a "mortgage" on that.  Whiskey Tango...  I really don't understand why this is so hard.  I own the land outright and don't want to tie the purchase to the land.  What's the problem with that?  Why can't I just borrow what it would cost to buy a Mercedes and buy a trailer to live in?  I can afford it.  Really, I can. 

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2014, 07:26:40 PM »
I'm in for $10.00.

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2014, 07:28:46 PM »
If you could afford it you wouldn't need a loan.   

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2014, 08:07:13 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2014, 08:50:01 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2014, 08:52:15 PM »
That makes fifteentreefiddy. Now I'm no mathologist but that looks to be damn near halfway to your goal!!

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2014, 09:07:22 PM »
You could always call Cullman Liquidation.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2014, 05:24:22 AM »
If you could afford it you wouldn't need a loan.   

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I can afford it according to the glorious principles of credit and debt that have made this awesome country what it is. 
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2014, 09:03:53 AM »
Maybe Stripes has one he's selling.  :shrug:

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2014, 09:20:58 AM »
banking rules are odd to say the least, I understand them but they make you think WTF?? bought 20 acres but couldn't use the land itself as collateral, but I can use other land as collateral?? makes no sense to me??
  wanted to build on that land last year, no problem at the bank qualified for a $450k mortgage...  then it's-"oh, you needed a construction loan? um... we can only go 250k and you need 20% down plus you have to roll the land into the mortgage as well. you said you wanted to do a Morton building??  no, for that we need 40% down due to no comparable sales to base an appraisal on"

so, no construction last year. start over this year with a standard stick built home and it's "you're qualified for $350k on the construction loan with 10% down" ??  I get things going and now the hold up is the land appraisal, can't get to that for 6 weeks for some reason?? I may break ground by fall??
 

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2014, 09:28:36 AM »
So I could go down to the local Chevy / GMC joint and buy a brand new one ton truck all decked out and pay about 65K and finance it for 72 months and have like a  thousand dollar plus payment.  Guessing it would take a couple hours.  However...

Trying to get a loan for a similar amount for a double wide is very complicated.  For a 15 year loan, the pmt would be like 600 bucks or so...maybe.  But, unless we tie the trailer to the land, it isn't happening.  If I wanted a singlewide, I probably couldn't get a loan to buy that and it would be about 300 bucks a month for a "mortgage" on that.  Whiskey Tango...  I really don't understand why this is so hard.  I own the land outright and don't want to tie the purchase to the land.  What's the problem with that?  Why can't I just borrow what it would cost to buy a Mercedes and buy a trailer to live in?  I can afford it.  Really, I can.
Because the trailers have absolutely zero reclaim value should you default. Getting loans is pretty hard these days. I'm sorry you're going through that.
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2014, 12:11:48 PM »
Because the trailers have absolutely zero reclaim value should you default. Getting loans is pretty hard these days. I'm sorry you're going through that.
This.  Repoing a trailer is expensive and no one wants to buy a used trailer when they are so cheap new.  Only way for the bank to get their money back is to sell the trailer on the land if you quit paying.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2014, 01:28:43 PM »
I'm not at a computer now for a longer explanation, but this comes down to real vs personal property. It has nothing to do about capacity to repay.

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2014, 01:29:57 PM »
Oh yeah, and what Chris said.  :)

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2014, 01:48:16 PM »
You could always call Cullman Liquidation.

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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2014, 01:49:00 PM »
Oh yeah, and what Chris said.  :)

c'mon Rbankerman, i was counting on you for this one.
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2014, 01:53:56 PM »
I am too tied up in high level banker meetings today trying to determine how to make this more difficult for you.

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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2014, 02:13:12 PM »
OK, I'm at a real computer now and not my phone.

In banking we call your issue a “loss given default” situation which is not related to “probability of default.” 

Once a unit is “permanently” attached to land owned by you, it becomes real property and is no longer personal property.  The main reason this classification is important when it comes to how long of a loan which can be provided, is it displays your intent.  Once you set a trailer on a foundation, you’re saying it’s intended to be held at that location for a longer period of time.  It also makes it more difficult to move if you’re having financial problems and want to attempt to hide it from a loan collector.  And, collecting on a mortgage(real property) by foreclosure gives the bank more leverage than a lien holding (personal property) of the asset. 
And, as it’s been said, the value of a truck generally is more predictable and holds up better than that of a trailer. 

Finally, guidelines on how long we can lend on certain collateral comes from our regulators.  So, while you may be a low risk and common sense would say a bank could give you a longer loan, we’re not going to violate and have to report a regulator exception just because you’re a good guy.  :)
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2014, 02:18:50 PM »
One option you have (not knowing the layout of your land) is to have a parcel surveyed off to situate the dbl wide and only pledge that portion of your land with a mortgage. 

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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2014, 02:26:20 PM »
Maybe we'll just shuffle some stuff around and put a freakin singlewide on a credit card.   ;D

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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2014, 02:33:15 PM »
There are always options.  I would consider trying to go the mortgage route.  It’s less risk (loan can't be called like a credit card) and cost to you (lower interest rate).  Most retailers won’t accept a credit card for purchases that big, the fees to them are too large and they may not have approval to process a transaction that large.

The advantages to a proper mortgage is you get the lowest rate, longest terms, and you can deduct your interest payments (if you itemize). 

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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2014, 07:27:28 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2014, 08:53:16 PM »
My Google indicated this is a better choice.
You already had a chain saw thread - this is the logical next step.
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2014, 08:00:04 AM »
Seriously though, we need temporary housing until we can get something nicer on the other (higher and nicer but no road or build site) side of the property.  But in order to get electricity up there, it needs to be permanent.  The power company's version of permanent is very different than the bank's.  We've looked at a bunch of these things and they're quite acceptable.  And once we're done with it, we could either sell it or rent it out.  It would be a pretty nice rental for the neighborhood.  :)  It would essentially be a 1300 sq ft 3 bed 2 bath house on a couple very private acres.  And the one we're looking at now would look like this:

http://www.skylinehomes.com/?q=node/23&div=55&model=K530&page=2

Yes, a modular version would be nicer but that is 10K + more for that option and it requires a crane.  Space up there is a little tight.  Modulars also require either a crawl space or a basement foundation.  Either way, you're looking at a significant amount of money for excavation and concrete work.  I don't want to spend as much to place it as the house costs.  That's missing the point of moving out here and getting temp housing. 

Pricing on these things is in the 65 to 75K range for the doublewides.  If you do the math, that's a pmt in the 600s.  If we doubled the payment each month, we could pay it off in 5 years.  Obviously paying more would pay it off even faster.  Then if jobs allow, we stash some cash and put a cabin on the other side of the property.  :)  If not, we have a comfortable place to live and raise chickens and shoot guns and ride dirtbikes and bury sea containers where we store our prepper stash and ...  you get the point. 

Thus the need to finance just the doublewide. 
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2014, 10:18:13 AM »
A used motorhome with generator, dig your own septic. Temporary at its best, cheap, and sell/tow it away when you are done. No permits and get into the permanent home sooner.
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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2014, 11:24:54 AM »
A used motorhome with generator, dig your own septic. Temporary at its best, cheap, and sell/tow it away when you are done. No permits and get into the permanent home sooner.

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Sounds like the best options as resale should be high in that area...

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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2014, 10:47:53 AM »
If those things would winter better, we might consider it for a while.  We've camped in cold weather before.  Those trailers do NOT do well in cold weather.  :)

Now I need some clever ways to insulate the water pipes so I don't have to use that stupid heat tape option that apparently burns trailers down. 
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