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Smaller Sport-Tourer coming soon?
« on: March 04, 2014, 02:44:14 PM »
Hmm.. FJ-09 implies a sport-tourer. This could be good. Hopefully it will be followed by an XT-09 or XT900 :)

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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2014, 02:54:41 PM »
Not surprised at all. It kinda had to happen.  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2014, 03:59:43 PM »
I did a bit of digging and found...

MT-09 was trademarked in Jan '13 and the MT-09 was ridden and reviewed (by TopSpeed) in June '13.

So we should know in just a few months!!
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2014, 05:33:38 PM »
I'd take a 800 Tenere.

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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2014, 07:53:41 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2014, 08:25:31 AM »
+3 on the Super Tenere - or would it then be a Super Niner?

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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2014, 10:40:15 AM »
+3 on the Super Tenere - or would it then be a Super Niner?

Well there is a Tenere and a Super Tenere, so it would have to be somewhere in between. Since numbers aren't assigned, and 'super' is hard to quantify, how about the "More Than Adequate Tenere"? (MTA Ten for short.) I think that would be better than "Less Than Super Tenere."
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2014, 10:42:12 AM »
Or.... just sell the Tenere here in the US. Oh right... they tried that. Huge sales flop.
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2014, 10:51:09 AM »
Or.... just sell the Tenere here in the US. Oh right... they tried that. Huge sales flop.

Depending on what dealer you talk to. Some sold as they hit the floor, some sat for two years. Hope this new ST is a huge sales hit for them. I know there is a legion of "work to ride, ride to work" commuters just waiting for them.  :rolleyes:
Seriously, I hope it sells.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2014, 11:04:04 AM »
I see it like this... (and granted, I don't know all the ins and outs of federalizing a bike) If they sell one or they sell ten thousand, they've still spent the money, R&D, manufacturing, and the hush-money to the government to sell a bike here. Other than shipping and inventory costs, I don't see the problem with keeping a certain bike in a certain market for the three years it takes to really catch on. Or do what they did with the FJR and have limited allocations and deposit-to-lock only sales for the first year or three.

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2014, 05:08:02 PM »
Or.... just sell the Tenere here in the US. Oh right... they tried that. Huge sales flop.

Jeez, I didn't even know there was such a thing until now. What happened? Too expensive to compete with the KLR?

Regardless, some people just don't like thumpers. My gut is that a multi-cylinder midsize would do okay. The Tiger 800 does okay, doesn't it?
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2014, 05:30:38 PM »
Or.... just sell the Tenere here in the US. Oh right... they tried that. Huge sales flop.

Jeez, I didn't even know there was such a thing until now. What happened? Too expensive to compete with the KLR?

Regardless, some people just don't like thumpers. My gut is that a multi-cylinder midsize would do okay. The Tiger 800 does okay, doesn't it?

Personally I'd be way more interested in a small triple than a big thumper.
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2014, 05:33:53 PM »
Well the current model 660 Tenere was never offered here to my knowledge.

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2014, 07:15:04 PM »
Or.... just sell the Tenere here in the US. Oh right... they tried that. Huge sales flop.

Jeez, I didn't even know there was such a thing until now. What happened? Too expensive to compete with the KLR?

Regardless, some people just don't like thumpers. My gut is that a multi-cylinder midsize would do okay. The Tiger 800 does okay, doesn't it?

Personally I'd be way more interested in a small triple than a big thumper.

How about a parallel twin?
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2014, 07:20:59 PM »
Well the current model 660 Tenere was never offered here to my knowledge.

No, it hasn't.   >:( :'(
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2014, 09:39:49 PM »
Dante could smuggle one to you for a "price".

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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2014, 07:19:21 AM »
There are a couple of them here in the states.  The 660 Tenere that is.






I think the consensus is that the parallel twin is buzzy on-road, and not great off-road.

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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2014, 08:46:26 AM »
There are a couple of them here in the states.  The 660 Tenere that is.

Yeah, all three that they sold.

With the trend in "adventure" bikes, it's probably a ripe time to bring one, and at a price point that will actually move. Trying to compete with the F800GS on price will make it a non-starter. The $8k price point for something that's 800-900cc has to be met or it's a hard sell. They'd HAVE to be comfortably under the Tiger 800 and the 800GS. Have to be.
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2014, 09:51:57 AM »
Or.... just sell the Tenere here in the US. Oh right... they tried that. Huge sales flop.

Jeez, I didn't even know there was such a thing until now. What happened? Too expensive to compete with the KLR?

Regardless, some people just don't like thumpers. My gut is that a multi-cylinder midsize would do okay. The Tiger 800 does okay, doesn't it?

Personally I'd be way more interested in a small triple than a big thumper.

How about a parallel twin?
You mean like the  MT-07?
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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2014, 10:18:05 AM »
There are a couple of them here in the states.  The 660 Tenere that is.

Yeah, all three that they sold.



You must be thinking of the old one.  The new one wasn't available here.

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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2014, 10:44:52 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2014, 10:50:34 AM »
I am.

 
I know.  Just wasn't sure you knew.    :lol:

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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2014, 10:57:27 AM »

You must be thinking of the old one.  The new one wasn't available here.

And the old one, along with the TDM was here before the big ADV bike boom. They might do considerably better now.

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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2014, 10:58:00 AM »
I am.

 
I know.  Just wasn't sure you knew.    :lol:

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Yes, please, that will do nicely.

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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2014, 12:07:59 PM »
I am.
 
I know.  Just wasn't sure you knew.    :lol:


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And the old one, along with the TDM was here before the big ADV bike boom. They might do considerably better now.

Which is my point. They sold like three of them... maybe four, and viola, went away. These days, with the ADV bike fad, they'll likely do much better. But then again, this is the land of bigger, faster, louder, so...

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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2014, 01:36:22 PM »
I am.

 
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Yes, please, that will do nicely.

Wrap it up, I'll take it.



It's like, if the KLR had evolved. I think it would do well here now, of course, depending on the price point. Everyone will say they want one and will buy it (this applies to the new FJ09 too), and then when it shows up say, "meh, I will wait and buy one used."
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2014, 01:32:19 PM »
Why does the article refer to it as the FZ-09 instead of the FJ-09?

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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2014, 01:45:07 PM »
Same photochop pics "leaked" elsewhere.
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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2014, 02:09:23 PM »
Same pics "leaked" elsewhere.

Including Yamaha's website a few weeks back. 

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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2014, 02:16:31 PM »
Same pics "leaked" elsewhere.

Including Yamaha's website a few weeks back.
Not there anymore.
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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2014, 02:18:15 PM »
Same pics "leaked" elsewhere.

Including Yamaha's website a few weeks back.
Not there anymore.

It wasn't there ten minutes after it was posted.   :naughty:

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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2014, 02:20:08 PM »
Same pics "leaked" elsewhere.

Including Yamaha's website a few weeks back.
Not there anymore.

It wasn't there ten minutes after it was posted.   :naughty:

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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2014, 11:18:20 AM »
Hope they sort the injection better than the FZ09,it was a bit touchy when I rode it ( a disappointing amount in truth). Worse than that 2001 Duck that I owned.
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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2014, 08:59:30 AM »
Hope they sort the injection better than the FZ09,it was a bit touchy when I rode it ( a disappointing amount in truth). Worse than that 2001 Duck that I owned.


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Beginning with the 2015 model year, the YCC-T program (mapping) in the ECU has been modified to better compensate for throttle sensitivity and component production tolerances. This revised ECU can also be used to reprogram 2014 units exhibiting this condition without altering emissions compliance.

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« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2015, 01:13:14 PM »
I did a test sit on one at a dealer.  It's a bit to tall for comfort (I'm 5'6).  Not impossible tall, just tip-toe tall.
They said they were getting a low seat in.
So I went back.  They only had the comfort seat.  It's just a tad taller than the stock seat.
I'll go back again to test-sit the low seat, but...
I realized I'll want to do a lot of miles on this bike so I'll probably want to buy a Sargent seat.  Some googling found 2 Co's that make lowering links and no-name links on eBay (which I'd never trust).
I also found the dimensions for making lowering links for the FZ-09, including the dimensions of the stock FZ link.
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« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2015, 12:18:23 PM »
updated thoughts?  it's been out a while, there are videos and test and specs and sales. 

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« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2015, 03:40:33 PM »
updated thoughts?  it's been out a while, there are videos and test and specs and sales. 

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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2015, 07:18:13 AM »
I did a sit test at Romney Cycle yesterday.  I like it.  Kinda edgy looking but that's a nice change in today's market. 
A tad tallish but most things are w/ my inseam.  I can't much blame the motorcycling industry on my DNA.  Adapt and overcome.
I was offered a test ride should I desire it on a future visit.

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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2015, 12:21:19 PM »
Still on my radar, now if I would stop being a cheap bastard and buy it. :facepalm:
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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2015, 07:31:08 PM »
Still on my radar, now if I would stop being a cheap bastard and buy it. :facepalm:

The Yamaha dealer here in Toledo is selling them for -$800 under list.  $9,695, + $80 set up/ doc fee.  $20 if you need a temp tag, plus tax.

I have no affiliation with the dealer, other than I bought my Candy Red FJ-09 from them about 3 weeks ago.  ;D