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« on: February 20, 2014, 01:21:29 PM »
http://www.flixxy.com/how-wolves-changed-an-entire-ecosystem.htm?utm_source

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When wolves were reintroduced to Yellowstone National Park after being absent nearly 70 years, something astounding happened.
 
This amazing phenomenon is called "trophic cascade."  It is an ecological process that starts from the top of the food chain and reaches the base.
It changed the entire ecosystem - even the rivers.
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2014, 01:31:46 PM »
Nicely done, thanks!

EVerytime we try to "fix" something like this, we only make it worse . . . . think Kudzu ;-}
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2014, 02:29:27 PM »
The video is no longer available due to a copyright claim  :bash:
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2014, 03:13:18 PM »
 :withstupid:  Suck.  It looked good too.   :crazy:
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2014, 03:37:58 PM »
 :headscratch:

I just watched it.
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2014, 03:45:03 PM »
tells me it is no longer available due to copyright?
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2014, 03:48:44 PM »
It's back via Vimeo.  The first link was Youtube and removed. 

That was cool.  I think they are making a bit of a leap in some areas though- I question whether or not river meanderings can be accurately measured in the 20 years since the wolves' return- especially since the impacts would have been working their way through the system.  VERY interesting though- thanks for the heads up!
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2014, 05:52:17 PM »
I think this is the video - straight from Vimeo...

How Wolves Change Rivers on Vimeo
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2014, 06:12:48 PM »
Reminds me of Never Cry Wolf.
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2014, 07:39:52 PM »
Thanks for that Chris.......... Try searching PBS The Coy Wolf.  Another great one.

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2014, 07:48:15 PM »
Thanks for that Chris.......... Try searching PBS The Coy Wolf.  Another great one.


Looks very interesting. Thanks Tank. Linky: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/meet-the-coywolf/meet-the-coywolf/8605/
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2014, 09:08:10 AM »
I read a Nat Geo in my doctors office about this a few years ago and regretted not taking it with me. 
It's unfortunate how ignorant certain folk are about Wolves,  Coyotes and labeling any animal not originally from a particular area "Invasive".

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2014, 09:36:28 AM »
I read a Nat Geo in my doctors office about this a few years ago and regretted not taking it with me. 
It's unfortunate how ignorant certain folk are about Wolves,  Coyotes and labeling any animal not originally from a particular area "Invasive".

We're the invasive ones.
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2014, 09:46:20 AM »
I read a Nat Geo in my doctors office about this a few years ago and regretted not taking it with me. 
It's unfortunate how ignorant certain folk are about Wolves,  Coyotes and labeling any animal not originally from a particular area "Invasive".

We're the invasive ones.

This . . . . . .coyotes are getting really common around here . . . .it's amusing to listen to the teacup dog owners get all insensed about the threats to their dogs . . . . . the same folks, of course, who want deer controlled to keep em out of their gardens. Controlled, but, you know, not hurt.

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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2014, 10:43:25 AM »


This . . . . . .coyotes are getting really common around here . . . .it's amusing to listen to the teacup dog owners get all insensed about the threats to their dogs . . . . . the same folks, of course, who want deer controlled to keep em out of their gardens. Controlled, but, you know, not hurt.

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Every cervid walking under its own power deserves to be put down, skinned for gloves and eaten with all haste. Vermin. VERMIN!  :bigsmile:
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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2014, 01:25:21 PM »
We here in the upper midwest prefer to use em as muskie bait.

Muskies will strike quicker at live bait, doncha know.
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2014, 06:00:23 PM »
I read a Nat Geo in my doctors office about this a few years ago and regretted not taking it with me. 
It's unfortunate how ignorant certain folk are about Wolves,  Coyotes and labeling any animal not originally from a particular area "Invasive".

We're the invasive ones.

We follow our biology/ecology just like all animals.... and because we are also predators, we create these same trophic changes as well.

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2014, 06:04:56 PM »
We here in the upper midwest prefer to use em as muskie bait.

Muskies will strike quicker at live bait, doncha know.

I'd like to see the hook you use.  ;)
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I read a Nat Geo in my doctors office about this a few years ago and regretted not taking it with me. 
It's unfortunate how ignorant certain folk are about Wolves,  Coyotes and labeling any animal not originally from a particular area "Invasive".

We're the invasive ones.

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This . . . . . .coyotes are getting really common around here . . . .it's amusing to listen to the teacup dog owners get all insensed about the threats to their dogs . . . . . the same folks, of course, who want deer controlled to keep em out of their gardens. Controlled, but, you know, not hurt.

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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2014, 01:56:56 PM »

We follow our biology/ecology just like all animals.... and because we are also predators, we create these same trophic changes as well.

But, I thought we were the intelligent ones.  :headscratch:
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2014, 10:06:24 PM »

We follow our biology/ecology just like all animals.... and because we are also predators, we create these same trophic changes as well.

But, I thought we were the intelligent ones.  :headscratch:

Allegedly.  I see more animalist behaviors when the schools let out here in the city, then in the woods.  Talk about shallow end of the gene pool......
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2014, 07:20:13 AM »
We follow our biology/ecology just like all animals.... and because we are also predators, we create these same trophic changes as well.

Absolutely no argument.

I find it amusing that people still bitch about, say, deer all over the place, but can't accept the idea of (re)introducing their natural predators back into an area for population control. Mrs. Jones' toy poodle might get eaten by a wolf. Yippee. Whatever. I say bring back some balance.... or finish the job and everyone should be required to kill a deer each per season, at least. Everyone.

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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2014, 07:43:35 AM »


. or finish the job and everyone should be required to kill a deer each per season, at least. Everyone.




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. or finish the job and everyone should be required to kill a deer each per season, at least. Everyone.




As long as it's not with the bike.

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« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2014, 09:23:58 AM »
I read a Nat Geo in my doctors office about this a few years ago and regretted not taking it with me. 
It's unfortunate how ignorant certain folk are about Wolves,  Coyotes and labeling any animal not originally from a particular area "Invasive".

We're the invasive ones.

So, what....were all supposed to shoot ourselves in the head so wolves and coyotes can move back in?  Damn procreation.

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« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2014, 09:49:38 AM »
I read a Nat Geo in my doctors office about this a few years ago and regretted not taking it with me. 
It's unfortunate how ignorant certain folk are about Wolves,  Coyotes and labeling any animal not originally from a particular area "Invasive".

We're the invasive ones.

So, what....were all supposed to shoot ourselves in the head so wolves and coyotes can move back in?  Damn procreation.

Oh, no. Not at all. People just need to own it. Accept that we change the landscape. When you under- or over-populate an area with predators, and Man is an apex predator species, things change. Our presence changes things... Just accept that and move on with life. Either be happy that your toy poodle might be eaten by predators if he gets out if we repopulate predators, or we accept things like an over-abundance of prey animals, less green and forested land where cities live, and gosh.. yes, civilization creates "pollution" and "environmental changes."

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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2014, 10:55:27 AM »
I agree, to an extent.  All animals need to be hunted eventually.  Without some management you get population swings.  With proper management you smooth out the curves- take more when the populations are on an upswing, take less when they are on a downswing.  Everyone benefits then, including the environment.  :thumbsup:

The only problem is that we have altered the landscape enough that some can't come back into the places they were, while others thrive.
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So.... how should the human population be managed? Oh wait... do we need to be managed?

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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2014, 11:55:26 AM »
So.... how should the human population be managed? Oh wait... do we need to be managed?


If you're actually asking that question, you must not live near a walmart.  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2014, 12:45:44 PM »
So.... how should the human population be managed? Oh wait... do we need to be managed?


If you're actually asking that question, you must not live near a walmart.  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2014, 12:52:11 PM »
Tegus have been a problem in southern Florida for years. That said I would not want to meet up with one. Talk about a bad attitude.
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So.... how should the human population be managed? Oh wait... do we need to be managed?

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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2014, 10:04:27 AM »
Tegus have been a problem in southern Florida for years. That said I would not want to meet up with one. Talk about a bad attitude.


I wonder if there is going to be a turf war between the lizards and the Pythons?
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Alligators should be eating the Pythons in large enough numbers to control the population.  Weird.