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Caliber effectiveness studies...
« on: February 19, 2014, 07:57:16 AM »
Old but interesting:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf

For the ADD crowd, there's a conclusion section on the last page.
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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 09:40:51 AM »
Wow,

All that and he does not have the sense to address shot placement beyond the head/spinal column. At least he does address psychological issues present in humans.

No statisical sampling of thousands of handgun deaths throughout history. Both good and bad.

Overall, maybe a touch simplistic. But he does make one good point, nothing is more important than shot placement, and yet, our poor police force needs to only make a 70% to pass qualification. POOR.

Rant off.

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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 10:58:41 AM »
and yet the fact remains handguns do a poor job of killing people. I believe survival rates are 80+% :)
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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 11:10:53 AM »
take note of the date of the study.  might be more updated stuff out there.  when clay finds his, he can get us the modern version.  :)
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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 03:05:15 PM »
I emailed my BIL.  I can't seem to find it on my machine here, but I think I have gone through two computers since I read it... 
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Let's do some science.

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2014, 08:49:34 AM »
Her's one that I scanned quickly and saved for a more detailed reading later.  Looks like a good study and pretty recent, 2013.

http://www.handguncombatives.com/resources/LE_WB_briefing_6_13.pdf

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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2014, 06:24:08 PM »
I can't find it, nor can my BIL.   :crazy:  Still looking- he was going to check with a couple guys at the PD.
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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2014, 01:29:12 PM »
I found the study!  I looked everywhere and I just stumbled across it in my Google drive. 
Try this link and tell me if it works:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx6HPiDQp4BpNDQxYTlhMmItY2JmMS00YzNjLTliYWYtMGZhMzk5OWI3NDMx/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2014, 01:35:12 PM »
Yupper.

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2014, 01:56:15 PM »
Shotgun ftw.

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2014, 02:06:46 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2014, 12:21:32 PM »
Shotgun ftw.

I would say SA rifle ftw based on these numbers.

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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2014, 01:31:19 PM »
Gary Roberts is an interesting guy.  He posts at the only gun forum I still read.  I nearly bought a Rogers- and Bonar- modified Colt 1911 off him last year but somebody beat me to it.

Anyway he has been studying terminal ballistics for a long time and he's got a few public-release papers out there worth reading.

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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2014, 04:29:09 PM »
Statistically interesting. I like the psychological stop and the inevitable conclusion that carry what you will, but hit first and fast with at least 2 shots to vital targets to have a good odds of stopping all aggression permanently.

I also like Marshall and carry full house 10mm with 200 gr jacketed hollow points at 1100fps, and practice.

I do not want to be another statistic.

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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2014, 10:44:50 AM »
and yet the fact remains handguns do a poor job of killing people. I believe survival rates are 80+% :)

So that's why the Po Po has M4s now huh?  8)
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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2014, 01:27:59 PM »
Always a fun read: http://www.theboxotruth.com/

While not scientific testing in ballistic gel or cadavers, as a relative study of penetration, it's informative.

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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2014, 02:02:05 PM »
Everyone is aware of the fact that the pistols only function is to fight your way back to your shotgun/ AR right?
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Re: Caliber effectiveness studies...
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2014, 03:15:27 PM »
Everyone is aware of the fact that the pistols only function is to fight your way back to your shotgun/ AR right?

 :thumbsup:
the above are merely the ramblings of a hamfisted fuckwit who has broken too many helmets.