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Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« on: January 30, 2014, 10:38:05 AM »

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/01/27/name-of-jefferson-county-deputy-killed-in-motorcycle-accident-released/

"investigators say Kenneth Hosch, 83, was driving southbound in his SUV and crossed the double yellow line to pass someone. That’s when the SUV hit the deputy head on."

We really need to start retesting drivers as they get older. AARP lobby will never let it happen though. Be careful out there.
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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2014, 10:39:42 AM »



We really need to start testing drivers.



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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2014, 10:42:42 AM »



We really need to start testing drivers.


Yup, that's true as well. The requirements to operate a vehicle in this country are non-existent. Even worse when you have deteriorating facilities.
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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2014, 10:48:36 AM »
The way to do it is to retest everyone every 5 years or so.  That way you take the AARP faction out of it.

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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2014, 11:02:54 AM »
RIP Sgt. Baldwin.   :(

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 11:17:02 AM »
The way to do it is to retest everyone every 5 years or so.  That way you take the AARP faction out of it.

This makes sense . . . . . I'm not certain that seniors ARE over-represented in accidents (and have done no research) but I do know that the simple conclusion (old people can't drive, for instance) is very often incorrect.

On a slightly different tack, I wonder what the punishment will be?
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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2014, 11:41:23 AM »
The way to do it is to retest everyone every 5 years or so.  That way you take the AARP faction out of it.


This makes sense . . . . . I'm not certain that seniors ARE over-represented in accidents (and have done no research) but I do know that the simple conclusion (old people can't drive, for instance) is very often incorrect.

On a slightly different tack, I wonder what the punishment will be?


Statistically the accident rate rises fairly quick for elderly drivers.

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I don't mean to pick on any group, it's just numbers. I also support far more stringent training and licensing requirements for new drivers as well.
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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2014, 11:46:28 AM »
Thanks for that! Data is always good.

Looks like we should 86 most drivers under their mid-20s, as well.

Course,, we already knew that, if we were being honest ;-}
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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2014, 11:59:29 AM »
Thanks for that! Data is always good.

Looks like we should 86 most drivers under their mid-20s, as well.

Course,, we already knew that, if we were being honest ;-}


Not necessarily 86 them, but actually teach young people how to drive before giving them a license. A good example is the Alive at 25 course - Statistics show that teens that have taken just this one four hour class are 96 percent less likely to be killed in a car crash than those who don't take the course. Begs the question, if 4 hours makes that big of a difference, why isn't it mandatory?
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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2014, 01:42:54 PM »
Thanks for that! Data is always good.

Looks like we should 86 most drivers under their mid-20s, as well.

Course,, we already knew that, if we were being honest ;-}


Not necessarily 86 them, but actually teach young people how to drive before giving them a license. A good example is the Alive at 25 course - Statistics show that teens that have taken just this one four hour class are 96 percent less likely to be killed in a car crash than those who don't take the course. Begs the question, if 4 hours makes that big of a difference, why isn't it mandatory?

For the same reason we won't realistically screen older drivers . . . . freedum.
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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2014, 01:58:02 PM »
The way to do it is to retest everyone every 5 years or so.  That way you take the AARP faction out of it.


This makes sense . . . . . I'm not certain that seniors ARE over-represented in accidents (and have done no research) but I do know that the simple conclusion (old people can't drive, for instance) is very often incorrect.

On a slightly different tack, I wonder what the punishment will be?


Statistically the accident rate rises fairly quick for elderly drivers.

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I don't mean to pick on any group, it's just numbers. I also support far more stringent training and licensing requirements for new drivers as well.



Check the stats for cops.  They rank among the highest in accident stats (And i'm talking off-duty).   ;)

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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2014, 02:16:06 PM »
Remember.....they're never off duty.  :csm:

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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2014, 03:05:17 PM »
Cops are statistically more apt to be involved, simply because of the amount of time/mileage they spend on the roads.
Seniors are more apt to be critically injured, as often they are more fragile in the first place, and often experience medical episodes that lead to the accident.
Kids are often involved, simply because they're Superbeings with no concept of consequenses, and they're ignorant and inexperienced.
I'm in complete agreement with the "test everyone every x years", as well as graduated licensing.

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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2014, 03:18:20 PM »
The entire state of Florida would shut down.


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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2014, 07:33:58 PM »
Cops are statistically more apt to be involved, simply because of the amount of time/mileage they spend on the roads.
Seniors are more apt to be critically injured, as often they are more fragile in the first place, and often experience medical episodes that lead to the accident.
Kids are often involved, simply because they're Superbeings with no concept of consequenses, and they're ignorant and inexperienced.
I'm in complete agreement with the "test everyone every x years", as well as graduated licensing.

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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2014, 07:45:31 PM »
Way too much common sense for a STO post.  10 demerits.  Keep it up and you'll have to attend retraining.



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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2014, 11:56:28 AM »
Way too much common sense for a STO post.  10 demerits.  Keep it up and you'll have to attend retraining.



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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2014, 12:19:57 PM »
It's "common" sense as opposed to "elite" sense which is merely callous twittery.
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2014, 02:43:33 PM »
High density of seniors in our pop. up in my area.

The blue hair cagers are among some of the worst.
Many fatal accidents involving 70-90+ drivers. Just the act of Get in, start, steer, gas, brake is so taxing on their capabilities that normal situation awareness and watching out for others goes out the window.

But usually the little plastic Jeebus or VM statue glued on the dashboard does a good job of protecting everyone.  ::)

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2014, 06:30:35 AM »
Rates of crashes amongst people in the early stages of dementia are horrendous. And that's a quarter of everybody over 82.
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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2014, 03:43:09 PM »
Rates of crashes amongst people in the early stages of dementia are horrendous. And that's a quarter of everybody over 82.


I disagree.

I am clearly demented, but haven't crashed in several years. (crossing fingers)
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2014, 04:09:27 PM »
Rates of crashes amongst people in the early stages of dementia are horrendous. And that's a quarter of everybody over 82.

very true, my father has been diagnosed with early stages of dementia. the doctor said driving is the first thing affected. basically he has done the same thing over and over for so many years that no thought is involved, just habit. as long as nothing changes he is fine, something out of the ordinary happens and he can't react to it.... sad
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2014, 04:12:09 PM »
Rates of crashes amongst people in the early stages of dementia are horrendous. And that's a quarter of everybody over 82.


I disagree.

I am clearly demented, but haven't crashed in several years. (crossing fingers)

That can be very easily arranged.
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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2014, 09:07:12 PM »
Rates of crashes amongst people in the early stages of dementia are horrendous. And that's a quarter of everybody over 82.


I disagree.

I am clearly demented, but haven't crashed in several years. (crossing fingers)

That can be very easily arranged.

Technically, kicking the crutches out, so I fall over, isn't crashing.
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« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2014, 01:24:10 PM »
Rates of crashes amongst people in the early stages of dementia are horrendous. And that's a quarter of everybody over 82.


I disagree.

I am clearly demented, but haven't crashed in several years. (crossing fingers)

That can be very easily arranged.

Technically, kicking the crutches out, so I fall over, isn't crashing.

It is if you are standing on a cliff edge.
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« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2014, 06:42:51 PM »



We really need to start testing drivers.


Before we give them a license. 
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« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2014, 07:40:59 PM »
Rates of crashes amongst people in the early stages of dementia are horrendous. And that's a quarter of everybody over 82.


I disagree.

I am clearly demented, but haven't crashed in several years. (crossing fingers)

That can be very easily arranged.

Technically, kicking the crutches out, so I fall over, isn't crashing.

It is if you are standing on a cliff edge.


You have a point, fortunately, there are no cliff nearby.
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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2014, 08:07:36 AM »
I'm not the biggest fan of cops, but I certainly don't wish this upon anyone. Actually, the motorcycle cops I see around where I live aren't too bad.
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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2014, 06:22:23 PM »
The MC cops around here are pretty cool.   Good riders too.

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2014, 06:25:40 AM »
They all ride Beemers over here. Much better than I can, too.
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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2014, 07:51:23 AM »
They all ride Beemers over here. Much better than I can, too.

Hardly-Ableson's are the dominate bike of Moto officers in the US unfortunately.
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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2014, 08:21:15 AM »
Probably since they are generally used for parade duty.

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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2014, 10:37:45 AM »
Probably since they are generally used for parade duty.

More of an ingrained culture thing.  Plus we have a buy American line in the city charter.  It's why we can't have Chargers (Mexico) or the new Caprice (Australia).  Our bikes are out fairly often and not for parades.  :D   I was hoping to go to the Harley motor operator course.  Some of the best training possible on two wheels.  It's a 2 week school.  I don't think they'll send me though with the promotion.  :(
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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2014, 11:22:32 AM »
Probably since they are generally used for parade duty.

More of an ingrained culture thing.  Plus we have a buy American line in the city charter.  It's why we can't have Chargers (Mexico) or the new Caprice (Australia).  Our bikes are out fairly often and not for parades.  :D   I was hoping to go to the Harley motor operator course.  Some of the best training possible on two wheels.  It's a 2 week school.  I don't think they'll send me though with the promotion.  :(
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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2014, 12:20:20 PM »
Probably since they are generally used for parade duty.

More of an ingrained culture thing.  Plus we have a buy American line in the city charter.  It's why we can't have Chargers (Mexico) or the new Caprice (Australia).  Our bikes are out fairly often and not for parades.  :D   I was hoping to go to the Harley motor operator course.  Some of the best training possible on two wheels.  It's a 2 week school.  I don't think they'll send me though with the promotion.  :(
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Re: Local Moto-cop killed by cager
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2014, 09:14:15 AM »


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