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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #400 on: April 18, 2020, 07:32:50 AM »
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #401 on: April 18, 2020, 08:06:08 AM »
I truly believe that we are at a time where there is NO trustworthy source of information.

Everything is about $$$.

The truth belongs to whoever writes the largest check.

Geeze boss, your smarter than you look.  :bigsmile:

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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #402 on: April 18, 2020, 09:26:46 AM »
I think at this point its pretty well agreed that it was NOT an engineered in the lab virus.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-04-16/esper-coronavirus-was-natural-not-engineered-according-to-majority-of-assessments


The only question is whether the jump happened in the wet market, or was the Chinese Govt' isolating and studying the virus at the Wuhan Lab and there was an accidental breach of safety protocols.

*** DING DING DING ***

If considering two arguments, one being a complex conspiracy theory and the other old fashioned human incompetence, choose the incompetence argument every time.

Species jump from bats (whose immune systems evolve incredibly rapidly and are in an arms race with viruses, so viruses mutate in bat populations very fast) to another, as yet unknown (but possibly a pangolin) species.

Chinese sell and buy wild animals in wet markets (so called because they cool the food by chucking water over it-nothing to do with fish) and voila, a disaster waiting to happen.

Same goes for African "bush meat".

*** DING DING DING ***

Occam’s razor

It’s quite possible this was a benign laboratory experiment that escaped.   There are little to no controls on genetic experimentation.  Heck, they let my cousin splice yeast genes into other cells to control HDL and LDL ratios - he has his post doctorate and stuff - but this is a someone who didn’t see a problem riding an off-road dirt bike on the NJ Parkway. 

Now think about this; maybe up to half of our drug products come from China. 

Only a matter of time until there is a major worldwide disaster.  Wait, is this it?
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #403 on: April 18, 2020, 09:48:01 AM »
I truly believe that we are at a time where there is NO trustworthy source of information.

Everything is about $$$.

The truth belongs to whoever writes the largest check.

This is the truest thing here.

Mike, you can find any conspiracy anywhere if you look hard enough. The overwhelmingly large body of information continues to suggest this is a species jump; let that be scary enough, because it is.

....

There's enough scary shit in the world, in the here and now, in the basest explanations of how we're all just trying to get through a day, without perpetuating a bunch of fear and conspiracy-based unproven tripe.

Stop it.

Well, Cookie really nails it down.  8)

Chornbe, I’m not going to fringe sources for information.  I knew 9/11 was coming before it happened because the data was there and the masses were ignoring it.  Past pandemic scares I knew were BS because the data didn’t back the claims.  This time, I saw the data that this was a true pandemic, and the usual fear porn peddlers were silent...that only made it more alarming.

The CCP has been at war with the west for decades.  They have an open agenda to overthrow the USA and be the dominant global power by 2025.  They steal our IP.  They use most every dime we spend in Chinese-made goods to fuel their war machine.  They gained access to US nuclear science and technology to jump forward their nuclear weapons program (thank you President Clinton).  They not so subtly threatened us over intervening in their plans for Taiwan (an independent nation) by saying we wouldn’t sacrifice L.A. for Taiwan.  They have consistently and repeatedly conducted cyber warfare attacks on the military and civilian data networks of other nations...the USA being a favorite target.  NONE OF THIS IS A SECRET.

Now, thanks to political dumb assary (or treason), they were able to obtain a Level 4 biological research laboratory.  Oh, they’re studying viruses and want to make vaccines?  Sorry, their past history and open motives make me question that claim most strongly. 

We should have a HEALTHY fear of China.  The CCP is not kind or benevolent.  Any dissidents end up in prison, work camps, or just killed.  They don’t have any respect for non-Asian races nor believe in letting the people be free or have equality.  Their motives are not pure, and even if this pandemic was 100% naturally occurring and an accidental release, the CCP lied about it, the CCP destroyed all lab research and cleansed the site of all genetic evidence (which could help find a vaccine), the CCP punished people who tried to warn the world at large of the outbreak, and the CCP not only confiscated paid for PPE gear en route to other nations, they instructed Chinese nationals around the world to buy all the PPE they could get and ship it to China on the down low.  Add in that they’ve shipped to other nations defective PPE and tainted/defective testing kits, and there is no question as to the criminality of the CCP’s actions.

So, what comes next?  Most nations want to sue China for the damage in lost lives and economic impact for utterly failing to do as agreed by international treaty and sound the alarm when this started.  Will that (if successful) be enough?  We should be treating the CCP’s ambition to have nuclear weapons the same as we see it for Iran.  Yes, Iran is more trigger happy, but once the CCP can threaten mutual assured destruction on the USA (their only real barrier to global dominance) they WILL start a campaign to seize power throughout Asia and the South Pacific.  The naive belief that free trade will transform China to a free society is playing right into their plans.  The politicians have their own agenda, and it doesn’t align with what intelligence experts have been saying regarding the CCP for several presidential administrations.

My fear is that when this is over, we all go back to “business as usual” when dealing with China.. Will the world (if not at least the USA) wake up and see the CCP as the threat they pose to the human race if allowed to continue as they’ve done so far?

The wars of the 21st century are going to be ideological more than military. 

We thought we beat Communism when the Berlin Wall came down.  WE DID NOT.  After the fall, practically all of Europe embraced socialism in practice, and most freedoms once enjoyed are rapidly being eliminated in favor of the new ideology taking root.  The citizens who are 60+ remember how it was and see what’s happening.  The citizens under 30 are largely oblivious.

We think we’re winning the “war on terror.”  We’ve made huge strides, but so long as the ideological foundation exists, it will always be a threat.  When people hurl “islamophobia” when we combat these ideologies, it just shows how ingrained the enemy is within our borders.  You can believe what you want, but when your beliefs encourage the subjugation or death of those who don’t share your beliefs, that needs to be  seen for the threat it poses to a free and open society.

So, now, we have the CCP threat and a pandemic that got loose because they were incompetent (or evil) enough to allow it to get out and spread.  Will the world remember this and make the CCP a political pariah until the Chinese people replace it with a more free and open system?  Will the world “take out” the CCP for their crimes against humanity (and yes, their failure to alert the world is a crime...not just a tort)? 

Or, will we go back to business as usual as those in the know wait for the day...

...the CCP perfects a biological weapon and has the only source of a vaccine on the planet? 
...the CCP can crash the US economy and start seizing territory throughout Asia?
...the CCP can successfully launch 3 to 4 nuclear devices over the USA and use an EMP blast to send us to the dark ages?

If people don’t see the evil in China’s intentions after this, there is no hope for the free world.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #404 on: April 18, 2020, 10:04:37 AM »
the CCP is not benign. Too right. But I doubt it is about to start WW3.  It has a healthy sense of self-preservation and is very worried about its reputation. It stays in power largely on bluff.

European socialism is nowhere near the shape of any post-Marxist/ Leninist countries (which were mainly Stalinist or neo-Stalinist dictatorships, or one party dictatorships). Most European economies are a mix of capitalism and socialism and are democracies, so that people are protected and one system helps the other out. It is not something to be scared of and doesn't reduce freedom.

I think I'm going to regret posting this.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #405 on: April 18, 2020, 10:09:03 AM »

I think I'm going to regret posting this.

Not as much as you regret missing happy hour :thumbsup:
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #406 on: April 18, 2020, 10:12:52 AM »

I think I'm going to regret posting this.

Not as much as you regret missing happy hour :thumbsup:

I miss an hour at the pub on a Friday and Saturday. No happy hour, sadly.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #407 on: April 18, 2020, 10:51:26 AM »
the CCP is not benign. Too right. But I doubt it is about to start WW3.  It has a healthy sense of self-preservation and is very worried about its reputation. It stays in power largely on bluff.

European socialism is nowhere near the shape of any post-Marxist/ Leninist countries (which were mainly Stalinist or neo-Stalinist dictatorships, or one party dictatorships). Most European economies are a mix of capitalism and socialism and are democracies, so that people are protected and one system helps the other out. It is not something to be scared of and doesn't reduce freedom.

I think I'm going to regret posting this.

Don’t regret it.  It was intelligent and well-composed.

I’d like to think that perhaps the CCP will learn from this and reform, but I don’t put a lot of confidence in that outcome at this point.
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« Reply #408 on: April 18, 2020, 03:49:11 PM »
Congrats on making it to #3 on the list, Cookie. Mass is currently at 34,402 cases. 148,744 tested.  Deaths, 1404.
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« Reply #409 on: April 18, 2020, 03:59:01 PM »
Is that a lot?
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« Reply #410 on: April 18, 2020, 04:01:16 PM »
the CCP is not benign. Too right. But I doubt it is about to start WW3.  It has a healthy sense of self-preservation and is very worried about its reputation. It stays in power largely on bluff.

European socialism is nowhere near the shape of any post-Marxist/ Leninist countries (which were mainly Stalinist or neo-Stalinist dictatorships, or one party dictatorships). Most European economies are a mix of capitalism and socialism and are democracies, so that people are protected and one system helps the other out. It is not something to be scared of and doesn't reduce freedom.

I think I'm going to regret posting this.



Don’t regret it.  It was intelligent and well-composed.

I’d like to think that perhaps the CCP will learn from this and reform, but I don’t put a lot of confidence in that outcome at this point.

Remember Chinese culture is all about "Face". That is, reputation. You can seriously piss off you host by using usual Western values. It applies to their government as well.

A weakness and a strength. Just like us, in other ways.
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« Reply #411 on: April 18, 2020, 04:01:39 PM »
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I'm not sure
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« Reply #413 on: April 18, 2020, 04:14:09 PM »
https://images.app.goo.gl/zAw4ujssra9kCSYh9  Somebody make this show up, will ya.  I haz the dumb.
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« Reply #414 on: April 18, 2020, 04:24:21 PM »
I'm not sure

Given that the source of the information about whether you are dead or not is you and you have failed to produce a peer reviewed paper.

Sorry, got lost at that point.

You may have been eaten by evil Chinese eels though.
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« Reply #415 on: April 18, 2020, 05:21:35 PM »
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« Reply #417 on: April 18, 2020, 08:24:13 PM »
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« Reply #418 on: April 18, 2020, 09:10:13 PM »
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« Reply #419 on: April 19, 2020, 01:09:46 AM »
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« Reply #420 on: April 19, 2020, 01:37:54 AM »
Australia. 3 deaths per million

New Zealand. 2 deaths per million

Britain. 228 deaths per million

118 deaths per million in the US

worldwide stats here: https://www.coronavirus.video/country-stats.php

Pictorial infection rates etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_by_country_and_territory
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« Reply #421 on: April 19, 2020, 07:33:49 AM »
the CCP is not benign. Too right. But I doubt it is about to start WW3.  It has a healthy sense of self-preservation and is very worried about its reputation. It stays in power largely on bluff.

European socialism is nowhere near the shape of any post-Marxist/ Leninist countries (which were mainly Stalinist or neo-Stalinist dictatorships, or one party dictatorships). Most European economies are a mix of capitalism and socialism and are democracies, so that people are protected and one system helps the other out. It is not something to be scared of and doesn't reduce freedom.

I think I'm going to regret posting this.

You can't use the word socialism in the United States of partial socialist-already-right-under-everyone's-noses-America and fact in the same place and time. You just can't.

You're probably going to be told by a whole bunch of Americans what socialism really is and boy howdy when they're done, won't you just feel silly.
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« Reply #422 on: April 19, 2020, 07:36:19 AM »
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« Reply #423 on: April 19, 2020, 07:40:07 AM »
If people don’t see the evil in China’s intentions after this, there is no hope for the free world.

The fact that the current Chinese government exists at all and operates under their current model is the evil... the evil that we saw was in a nice, warm, soft bed with cheap loans and cheap manufacturing, and holy crap we couldn't wait to get in it.

The fact that they own a majority of the debt in the usa and suck down our interest payments like a mother's teat is evil of our own doing.

The fact they can put a stranglehold on the West by simply saying "nope, we're closing that factory" is the evil of our own doing.

Dude, China is a threat because we unbuckled our pants and say "hey boys..." while pulling a Marilyn Monroe-esque slow walk around the bed rubbing our own nipples to get that sweet, cheap money and low cost manufacturing.

China would be completely idiotic to attack us with nukes or bio weapons when they have everything they already wanted from us; financial and material reliance, and full on supplication of responsibility for those.

If there's a thing this presidency could ever be lauded for it, it's speaking pretty clear and plain about China (while bending over for Russia, but that's another story).

Sheesh.
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« Reply #424 on: April 19, 2020, 09:06:43 AM »
I just thought I'd pop in here to take a peek.  This thread appears to be pretty much on the rails again.  Interesting.

I think China is going to wind up getting screwed by the world after this thing.  Like Chornbe mentioned, we have allowed China to do to us what we have- and I think that will change world-wide, which is going to really hurt China- their response will be interesting.

Full disclosure: I have a Ph.D. in biochemistry and performed molecular genetic studies back in the dark ages of the 80s and 90s. I have published papers. I have poured my own sequencing gels and used radioactivity (!). I have aligned and compared sequences between different organisms.

None of that makes me wicked smaht, but it does make me smahter than your average bear. ;)

PS I know how science is supposed to be performed. Scientists disagree all the time. Well-designed, repeatable experiments are how you prove you're right. (Remember cold fusion?) Hint: Any time you hear "the science has been settled", it's either been a long time or the science has been co-opted.

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I truly believe that we are at a time where there is NO trustworthy source of information.

Everything is about $$$.

The truth belongs to whoever writes the largest check.

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That second heart face seems more awkward somehow...

I just read a very interesting piece from Hillsdale college's Imprimis (https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/thoughts-current-crisis/).  There is obviously come political content there, but the thing that really struck me was that we really can't solely trust the scientsists with what is best for our country (or world), nor can we trust the economists with what is best for our country (or world).

What we really need is to find the balance between them.  A scientists says people need to stop going to the grocery store (so we starve), an economist says we need to re-open everything ASAP (so it spreads).

The path is somewhere between there, and should be decided by someone in the middle.  No matter where you fall in support or lack thereof in our various governor's efforts to do these things, I'd argue they are some of the better people for the job.

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« Reply #425 on: April 19, 2020, 01:42:00 PM »
What we really need is to find the balance between them.  A scientists says people need to stop going to the grocery store (so we starve), an economist says we need to re-open everything ASAP (so it spreads).

The path is somewhere between there, and should be decided by someone in the middle.  No matter where you fall in support or lack thereof in our various governor's efforts to do these things, I'd argue they are some of the better people for the job.

Hopefully wiser minds will prevail and prudent decisions will be made.  The governors have a tough job to do.
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« Reply #426 on: April 19, 2020, 02:47:39 PM »
Who said, "China will bury us"? Was it a president?

At any rate, at the rate we're going, it'll be sooner than later. :(
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« Reply #427 on: April 19, 2020, 03:08:53 PM »
Is it really impossible to all come together to confront this plague?
Then sort out what's left.
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« Reply #428 on: April 19, 2020, 03:24:15 PM »
Is it really impossible to all come together to confront this plague?
Then sort out what's left.
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with people out on the streets in some parts of the world, protesting against the only measures that will keep us all-not just them-safe, it somehow seems unlikely.
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« Reply #429 on: April 19, 2020, 03:51:30 PM »
Is it really impossible to all come together to confront this plague?
Then sort out what's left.
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with people out on the streets in some parts of the world, protesting against the only measures that will keep us all-not just them-safe, it somehow seems unlikely.

We'll still be able to do the "sort out what's left" part.
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« Reply #430 on: April 19, 2020, 05:55:41 PM »
Is it really impossible to all come together to confront this plague?
Then sort out what's left.
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with people out on the streets in some parts of the world, protesting against the only measures that will keep us all-not just them-safe, it somehow seems unlikely.

Be aware that in Michigan everything was fine until our governor tightened restrictions a second time, tighter than any other state- and many of them just don't make sense.  Here at least that's what most of them were protesting.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #431 on: April 20, 2020, 06:31:47 AM »
Here at least that's what most of them were protesting.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #432 on: April 20, 2020, 07:14:40 AM »
Because of someone's questioning of "why did we sweep everything under under the rug just because of this virus?", I was looking for some numbers. I found this article to be quite telling - and it even has an easy-to-read graph for those who prefer just to look at the pictures.

One chart shows how many Americans are dying from the coronavirus each week compared with other common causes


Anyway, for any of you who need "a source!" I thought it might be of interest. And those of you who cry "conspiracy!" well, do with it what you will.   :tinfoil:
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« Reply #433 on: April 20, 2020, 07:20:32 AM »
I'd love to but I turn Ad-Blocker off for no one.
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« Reply #434 on: April 20, 2020, 07:22:17 AM »
I'd love to but I turn Ad-Blocker off for no one.

I wasn't asked to turn off my ad-blocker. Unless... maybe I did for this site a while ago and forgot? I guess I must have, since there is a lovely banner ad for a silly hat. *shrug*
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« Reply #435 on: April 20, 2020, 07:25:53 AM »
I'd love to but I turn Ad-Blocker off for no one.

I wasn't asked to turn off my ad-blocker. Unless... maybe I did for this site a while ago and forgot? I guess I must have, since there is a lovely banner ad for a silly hat. *shrug*

Silly hat? Ok, maybe.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #436 on: April 20, 2020, 08:33:54 AM »
Since the govt has monetized COVID-19 deaths (giving hospitals money for each one), I can't believe any numbers regarding COVID-19 deaths. It has been reported that hospitals are cooking the books and claiming many  normal deaths as COVID-19 without any testing in order to get more money. That could be fake news, but it's pretty much impossible to know what is real and what is fake any more.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #437 on: April 20, 2020, 08:48:15 AM »
Here's a nice, airy piece for some light reading.  I'm still going nowhere but to work and back with mandatory stops at the gas station but that's largely my life anyway.  But reading this...  I might double down on the sanitizing at work and at the gas station.  I guess taking comfort in my bionic immune system isn't very comforting after all.  :(

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes#

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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #438 on: April 20, 2020, 09:19:16 AM »
Since the govt has monetized COVID-19 deaths (giving hospitals money for each one), I can't believe any numbers regarding COVID-19 deaths.

The US is "special". This is how Switzerland feels about its leaders.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #439 on: April 20, 2020, 09:20:58 AM »
Since the govt has monetized COVID-19 deaths (giving hospitals money for each one), I can't believe any numbers regarding COVID-19 deaths.

The US is "special". This is how Switzerland feels about its leaders.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Switzerland/comments/g4qjra/thank_you_mr_berset/

We're special alright. In a window licking sort of way. Just use these discussions as a reference.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #440 on: April 20, 2020, 10:46:17 AM »
From "Need2Know"

2. WHEN WILL IT END?
When do we get back to normal? What even is normal? The Atlantic’s Ed Yong, who has been doing some of the best coronavirus reporting and writing we’ve seen, sought to answer those questions in his latest piece, which should be required reading for anyone wondering what the next several months in America will look like. THE ATLANTIC

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-summer-coronavirus-reopening-back-normal/609940/


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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #441 on: April 20, 2020, 11:19:32 AM »
From "Need2Know"

2. WHEN WILL IT END?
When do we get back to normal? What even is normal? The Atlantic’s Ed Yong, who has been doing some of the best coronavirus reporting and writing we’ve seen, sought to answer those questions in his latest piece, which should be required reading for anyone wondering what the next several months in America will look like. THE ATLANTIC

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-summer-coronavirus-reopening-back-normal/609940/

I hadn't seen that one yet. Thank you. Damned good article. <3

And a great point that really matters when trying to find out who REALLY has been infected and not, and why it's so important..
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First, antibodies aren’t always effective at neutralizing viruses. If you picture the coronavirus as a car, an antibody might slash its tires, or just gum up its wipers—and simple serology tests can’t tell which.

Second, even if the antibodies are the right kind, no one knows what concentration you’d need to confer immunity. “Even for diseases we’ve been studying for over 100 years, like whooping cough, we still don’t know what level of antibody would indicate that you’d be protected if you got reexposed,” said Sam Scarpino of Northeastern University, who studies infectious-disease dynamics. The only way to find out is through long studies.

Third, serological tests for the new coronavirus could be deeply misleading for individuals. Consider the test produced by Cellex—the only one thus far with emergency use authorization from the FDA. The test has a 93.8 percent chance of correctly identifying people with antibodies against the new coronavirus, and a 95.6 percent chance of correctly identifying people who lack those antibodies. Those numbers sound great, but if only a minority of Americans have been infected, the test would return far more false positives than true ones. Put it this way: If you have a positive result, the odds that you actually have any relevant antibodies are roughly one in two if 5 percent of the U.S. has been infected, and just one in six if only 1 percent has been infected. Scientists can correct for these errors if they use serological tests to assess immunity in a population, but it’s much harder on a person-by-person basis.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #442 on: April 20, 2020, 11:22:12 AM »
Since the govt has monetized COVID-19 deaths (giving hospitals money for each one), I can't believe any numbers regarding COVID-19 deaths.

The US is "special". This is how Switzerland feels about its leaders.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Switzerland/comments/g4qjra/thank_you_mr_berset/

Germany, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, New Zealand. These are the places I'd prefer to be right now. The worst responses have come from the UK, Italy, Spain and the USA. At least Italy and Spain had some form of excuse-they didn't really know what was coming. The UK and the USA did.
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« Reply #443 on: April 20, 2020, 11:28:46 AM »
Also another point many aren't taking into consideration, and a point I got blasted on when bringing it up in the past...

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...it’s reasonable to assume that someone who recovers from COVID-19 would be less likely to get infected again (for some duration that is still unclear). “But we can’t assume that you won’t bring that virus to someone else,” said Mina, the Harvard immunologist. “I worry that a lot of employers are just assuming that having antibodies or having been infected means you’re good to get back to work.” A false sense of security could quicken the spread of the virus during future surges, especially if people ignore social-distancing orders on the mistaken belief that they are immune.


Just because you get it, nothing guarantees you're automatically immune forever. Nothing guarantees the time frame of the "if" of it. We still have so much to learn.
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« Reply #444 on: April 20, 2020, 12:30:03 PM »
True that.  Look how long it took to come up with a treatment for HIV.  We are all hoping for a vaccine next year...
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« Reply #445 on: April 20, 2020, 12:56:48 PM »
We still have so much to learn.

And this what people fail to realize. If Dr. Bob say one day "We believe that the virus does X", but then a week later states "We now believe that the virus does Y" - everyone goes off on the scientists for not knowing what they're talking about and how the story keeps changing  :willy:

That's the point: they are adapting their reactions to the new information that arises every day.
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« Reply #446 on: April 20, 2020, 01:35:31 PM »

That's the point: they are adapting their reactions to the new information that arises every day.

Then why not just say that they have no clue what they're dealing with, but are learning. By coming out with statements as "fact' only to be contradicted later, undermines  any validity in what is put forth later.
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« Reply #447 on: April 20, 2020, 01:40:36 PM »

That's the point: they are adapting their reactions to the new information that arises every day.

Then why not just say that they have no clue what they're dealing with, but are learning. By coming out with statements as "fact' only to be contradicted later, undermines  any validity in what is put forth later.

Valid point by Toilet Boy.
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« Reply #448 on: April 20, 2020, 01:47:41 PM »

That's the point: they are adapting their reactions to the new information that arises every day.

Then why not just say that they have no clue what they're dealing with, but are learning. By coming out with statements as "fact' only to be contradicted later, undermines  any validity in what is put forth later.

The scientists have been saying exactly that. And that's why they also say that reopening when we haven't even put a competent testing plan in place is silly.
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« Reply #449 on: April 20, 2020, 02:04:16 PM »

That's the point: they are adapting their reactions to the new information that arises every day.

Then why not just say that they have no clue what they're dealing with, but are learning. By coming out with statements as "fact' only to be contradicted later, undermines  any validity in what is put forth later.

The scientists have been saying exactly that. And that's why they also say that reopening when we haven't even put a competent testing plan in place is silly.

Exactly. I have heard many, many reports about how this is completely new and they are still trying to understand how the virus works, etc.

This is a valid case of "choose your news source carefully" - those who say they have the "facts" should be regarded with suspicion. :crazy:
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