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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #350 on: April 14, 2020, 08:43:02 AM »
... it could be a good time to buy both investments and other stuff soon.

BUY? Woah.
Ok then who wants to buy a really really nice BMW? ;D
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #351 on: April 14, 2020, 09:07:59 AM »
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The Governor of this fine (UN)Commonwealth is on TV every evening at 5 and spends the next hour going over the steps they have outlined to follow, the current numbers including tests performed, new cases, deaths, and then answers questions from the few reporters present.  He does it all mater of factly and without blowing smoke up anyone’s arse.  The other night he said something that I never thought I would ever hear a politician of his stature say...

When asked if the hardline procedures that he has imposed might hurt his chances at reelection, his response was to say that he didn’t even give it a thought and how his actions might effect his political future was the furthest thing from his mind.  He said that yes, he was hearing complaints, but he discounted them because HE was the one that had to stand up there every night and give the death numbers out, not them.   

Now I’m usually a cynic when it comes to this stuff, and I didn’t even vote for him, but he came across to me as 100% sincere.  I’ve become a fan.

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« Reply #352 on: April 14, 2020, 09:31:42 AM »
Have you seen the graphs that show the difference made by Kentucky's early and aggressive response vs Tennessee's slow and lackluster reaction to covid-19?

What a difference having a good governor makes...  Who'd have thought?


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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #353 on: April 14, 2020, 11:04:19 AM »
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I’m sure you read the comments I posted before the graph.  This is a difficult decision and the answer is not black and white.  There is no optimum choice. 

It is clear that social distancing reduces the number of hospitalizations and burden on health care.  But it has other negative ramifications.  And people are going to die regardless.  Those are facts we cannot change.  Iit will be at least a few years until history reveals what the best policy truly is/was.

The medical profession has been warning about the potential for a pandemic outbreak for years.  The USA, if we are as smart as we claim to be, should have and could have been better prepared.  It’s become obvious to me that our leaders didnt have a plan and are making one up as they go along. 

I’m trying to keep this all in perspective and not rush to judgement.  We are living in an epic moment.

I hope I live to see the outcome.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #354 on: April 15, 2020, 06:23:40 PM »
Sprout’s stay-away summer camp just canceled for the year. He was supposed to go for three weeks this time. He’s bummed.
She's got a worm in 'er belly? That's disgusting! That's interesting, but very disgusting. 

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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #355 on: April 15, 2020, 08:11:46 PM »
My kids also go to a camp (boyscouts) I haven't gotten the word, but I told them that their chances are not good. Oldest is bummed (he looks forward to it all year long) youngest is sosso

They still want to go camping with mom and dad, I think we might be able to pull that off is things get a bit better in 3 months
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« Reply #356 on: April 15, 2020, 10:14:38 PM »
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« Reply #357 on: April 15, 2020, 10:24:36 PM »
Shaving - LOL - Yep. No shaving until life gets some normalcy (at least until my barber shop opens) - then deciding what might stay.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #358 on: April 16, 2020, 06:04:09 AM »
Looks like they cancelled all the early summer camps at PSU and online learning is through the summer as well.

I'm guessing the word on lay-offs will be here in a week or so.

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« Reply #359 on: April 16, 2020, 10:01:55 AM »
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #360 on: April 16, 2020, 12:24:46 PM »
They cancelled the Pittsburgh arts festival in June, looks like i won't be selling anything there this year. Hopefully the hand made fair will go on later in the year, but who is to say?
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« Reply #361 on: April 16, 2020, 12:33:26 PM »
another three weeks of lock down. in good news, the R rate-the transmission rate-is less than 1. we're past the peak of this bout.
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« Reply #362 on: April 16, 2020, 12:45:17 PM »
another three weeks of lock down. in good news, the R rate-the transmission rate-is less than 1. we're past the peak of this bout.
Lets hope there isn't a large resurgence as happens sometimes with these nasty bugs
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« Reply #363 on: April 16, 2020, 12:55:57 PM »
another three weeks of lock down. in good news, the R rate-the transmission rate-is less than 1. we're past the peak of this bout.
Lets hope there isn't a large resurgence as happens sometimes with these nasty bugs

hence, bout 1.

2 will be along shortly.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #364 on: April 16, 2020, 01:04:17 PM »
Today Switzerland announced an updated timeline, to be done in three phases:

Continued "lock down" (which isn't all that serious, unless you happen to own or work at a non-essential business  :-\ ) until April 27th.

Phase 1. APRIL 27: The following services may resume:
A. Inpatient and Outpatient procedures (including physio, dentistry, medical massage)
B. Personal Services (hairdressers, massage therapists, tattoo artists, cosmeticians)
C. Hardware stores and garden centers (Obi, Bau & Hobby, Wyss, etc.)
D. Extended family and friends may attend funerals
E. Restrictions in grocery stores (all products within the store may be sold)

Phase 2. MAY 11: The following will reopen:
A. Shops and markets
B. Obligatory (primary) schools
(The Federal Council will decide on April 29)

Phase 3. JUNE 8: The following will open:
A. (Middle Schools, Vocational Schools, and Higher Education) will allow face-to-face instruction.
B. Museums, Libraries, Botanical Gardens, and the Zoo Basel
(The Federal Council will decide on May 27)


Of course, the government said that these timelines would depend on if there was any resurgence in the virus (which is to be expected, of course)  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #365 on: April 16, 2020, 01:22:49 PM »
nothing on pubs then.
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« Reply #366 on: April 16, 2020, 01:24:51 PM »
Today Switzerland announced an updated timeline, to be done in three phases:

Continued "lock down" (which isn't all that serious, unless you happen to own or work at a non-essential business  :-\ ) until April 27th.

Phase 1. APRIL 27: The following services may resume:
A. Inpatient and Outpatient procedures (including physio, dentistry, medical massage)
B. Personal Services (hairdressers, massage therapists, tattoo artists, cosmeticians)
C. Hardware stores and garden centers (Obi, Bau & Hobby, Wyss, etc.)
D. Extended family and friends may attend funerals
E. Restrictions in grocery stores (all products within the store may be sold)

Phase 2. MAY 11: The following will reopen:
A. Shops and markets
B. Obligatory (primary) schools
(The Federal Council will decide on April 29)

Phase 3. JUNE 8: The following will open:
A. (Middle Schools, Vocational Schools, and Higher Education) will allow face-to-face instruction.
B. Museums, Libraries, Botanical Gardens, and the Zoo Basel
(The Federal Council will decide on May 27)


Of course, the government said that these timelines would depend on if there was any resurgence in the virus (which is to be expected, of course)  :thumbsup:

Leave it to the Swiss to actually have a plan. :lol: (I think this is good; just laughing at the stereotype)

Keep us posted.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #367 on: April 16, 2020, 01:26:46 PM »

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Leave it to the Swiss to actually have a plan. :lol: (I think this is good; just laughing at the stereotype)

Keep us posted.
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The US government seems to be going for herd immunity. Some states have been lucky in their governors.
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« Reply #368 on: April 16, 2020, 01:53:17 PM »
another three weeks of lock down. in good news, the R rate-the transmission rate-is less than 1. we're past the peak of this bout.
Lets hope there isn't a large resurgence as happens sometimes with these nasty bugs

Unless this WAS round two....


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« Reply #369 on: April 16, 2020, 02:53:39 PM »
nothing on pubs then.

Dan saw something about restaurants (and therefore "pubs") would be in the 3rd phase...  :redface:
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« Reply #371 on: April 17, 2020, 04:25:13 AM »
Of course, the government said that these timelines would depend on if there was any resurgence in the virus (which is to be expected, of course)  :thumbsup:

We shall see.  This is an engineered virus.  Genes spliced in from HIV is why it readily infects humans.  I’ve been waiting to hear more on this, but there are other HIV gene sequences, and the concern is that it lets the virus “hide” in the immune system and emerge later.  Now, whether that’s what lets it take 14+ days to appear (yet subject is contagious) or if it’s why people recovering, supposedly with immunity, are coming down with a second round of the disease (virus emerges after recovery) it still unknown.  There is no question someone was making this into a weapon.
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« Reply #372 on: April 17, 2020, 04:48:42 AM »
it's not a weapon. It is not linked to 5G.

it has just jumped species, same as SARS 1. no point looking for the most convoluted explanation. Occam's razor and all that.
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« Reply #373 on: April 17, 2020, 04:56:34 AM »
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« Reply #374 on: April 17, 2020, 08:08:46 AM »
And there are (apparently, depending on source, blah, blah, blah) a lot of reinfections, so the viral immunity is very finite, or the mutations are many and subtle.

Which is *always*, 100% a huge worry with novel species jumping viruses.

Like I got shut down on when I brought it up like 6 weeks ago or something.

So... wheeeeeeeee.

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« Reply #375 on: April 17, 2020, 08:34:04 AM »
it's not a weapon. It is not linked to 5G.

it has just jumped species, same as SARS 1. no point looking for the most convoluted explanation. Occam's razor and all that.

Hate to tell you, but virologists studying it already identified at least two gene sequences that are 100% copies of HIV genetic code.  Odds of that happening by any form of mutation?  Virtually zero.  It's a bioweapon.  It didn't come from bats in a wet market.  No bats were sold at the wet market.  This has already been established.
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« Reply #376 on: April 17, 2020, 09:05:05 AM »
This has already been established

... theorized and talked about by a fringe minority, but not proven, nor has any proof been released for peer review (since the last time I checked).

Also, as bio-weapons go, this is perhaps the biggest flop in the known universe because
1) while it's deadly as fuck compared to many other "just a flu" things, it's nowhere near deadly enough to guarantee success as a weapon...
2) the chinese government doesn't do half measures when it comes to systematic take-overs, so we're all going to die of brain explosions in 10 years after we've all forgotten about 'that really bad flu that year'...
3) the chinese government, reluctantly or not, released knowledge of it and why would they if it was a weapon...?
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« Reply #377 on: April 17, 2020, 09:13:48 AM »
Of course, the government said that these timelines would depend on if there was any resurgence in the virus (which is to be expected, of course)  :thumbsup:

We shall see.  This is an engineered virus.  Genes spliced in from HIV is why it readily infects humans.  I’ve been waiting to hear more on this, but there are other HIV gene sequences, and the concern is that it lets the virus “hide” in the immune system and emerge later.  Now, whether that’s what lets it take 14+ days to appear (yet subject is contagious) or if it’s why people recovering, supposedly with immunity, are coming down with a second round of the disease (virus emerges after recovery) it still unknown.  There is no question someone was making this into a weapon.

 :rolleyes:   :tinfoil:

it's not a weapon. It is not linked to 5G.

it has just jumped species, same as SARS 1. no point looking for the most convoluted explanation. Occam's razor and all that.

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« Reply #378 on: April 17, 2020, 10:04:28 AM »
I think at this point its pretty well agreed that it was NOT an engineered in the lab virus.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-04-16/esper-coronavirus-was-natural-not-engineered-according-to-majority-of-assessments


The only question is whether the jump happened in the wet market, or was the Chinese Govt' isolating and studying the virus at the Wuhan Lab and there was an accidental breach of safety protocols.

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« Reply #379 on: April 17, 2020, 10:11:09 AM »
If considering two arguments, one being a complex conspiracy theory and the other old fashioned human incompetence, choose the incompetence argument every time.

Species jump from bats (whose immune systems evolve incredibly rapidly and are in an arms race with viruses, so viruses mutate in bat populations very fast) to another, as yet unknown (but possibly a pangolin) species.

Chinese sell and buy wild animals in wet markets (so called because they cool the food by chucking water over it-nothing to do with fish) and voila, a disaster waiting to happen.

Same goes for African "bush meat".
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« Reply #380 on: April 17, 2020, 10:36:19 AM »
I think at this point its pretty well agreed that it was NOT an engineered in the lab virus.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-04-16/esper-coronavirus-was-natural-not-engineered-according-to-majority-of-assessments


The only question is whether the jump happened in the wet market, or was the Chinese Govt' isolating and studying the virus at the Wuhan Lab and there was an accidental breach of safety protocols.

*** DING DING DING ***

If considering two arguments, one being a complex conspiracy theory and the other old fashioned human incompetence, choose the incompetence argument every time.

Species jump from bats (whose immune systems evolve incredibly rapidly and are in an arms race with viruses, so viruses mutate in bat populations very fast) to another, as yet unknown (but possibly a pangolin) species.

Chinese sell and buy wild animals in wet markets (so called because they cool the food by chucking water over it-nothing to do with fish) and voila, a disaster waiting to happen.

Same goes for African "bush meat".

*** DING DING DING ***
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« Reply #381 on: April 17, 2020, 10:53:15 AM »
Unless someone provides the link to the scientific paper demonstrating identity with HIV sequences, I'm in the bat camp or incompetence camp. Please note... we have no data for either one of those scenarios either; I'm just playing the probabilities as well.

All is, in fact, speculation.
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« Reply #382 on: April 17, 2020, 12:01:29 PM »
Unless someone provides the link to the scientific paper demonstrating identity with HIV sequences, I'm in the bat camp or incompetence camp.

https://youtu.be/Gdd7dtDaYmM

Hour long documentary.  The evidence is apparent.  The conclusions are right there.  China believes in victory at any cost.  Yes, this is a poor weaponized virus, but perhaps it’s because it’s not the finished product.  I don’t doubt this was an accidental containment breach.

One of the reasons bio weapon research is banned is because of the damage that could be done just from an accidental release.  The bats in the wet market are proven false.  The gene sequence evidence is solid. 
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« Reply #383 on: April 17, 2020, 12:06:02 PM »
Unless someone provides the link to the scientific paper demonstrating identity with HIV sequences, I'm in the bat camp or incompetence camp.

https://youtu.be/Gdd7dtDaYmM

Hour long documentary.  The evidence is apparent.  The conclusions are right there.  China believes in victory at any cost.  Yes, this is a poor weaponized virus, but perhaps it’s because it’s not the finished product.  I don’t doubt this was an accidental containment breach.

One of the reasons bio weapon research is banned is because of the damage that could be done just from an accidental release.  The bats in the wet market are proven false.  The gene sequence evidence is solid.

A YouTube video is not a peer-reviewed, vetted scientific paper. Do a search on PubMed to find the original paper(s).
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« Reply #384 on: April 17, 2020, 12:39:39 PM »
Unless someone provides the link to the scientific paper demonstrating identity with HIV sequences, I'm in the bat camp or incompetence camp.

https://youtu.be/Gdd7dtDaYmM

Hour long documentary.  The evidence is apparent.  The conclusions are right there.  China believes in victory at any cost.  Yes, this is a poor weaponized virus, but perhaps it’s because it’s not the finished product.  I don’t doubt this was an accidental containment breach.

One of the reasons bio weapon research is banned is because of the damage that could be done just from an accidental release.  The bats in the wet market are proven false.  The gene sequence evidence is solid.

A YouTube video is not a peer-reviewed, vetted scientific paper. Do a search on PubMed to find the original paper(s).

too true. the other clue the documentary might not be sound is----it's on social media!
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« Reply #385 on: April 17, 2020, 01:01:11 PM »
Unless someone provides the link to the scientific paper demonstrating identity with HIV sequences, I'm in the bat camp or incompetence camp.

https://youtu.be/Gdd7dtDaYmM

Hour long documentary.  The evidence is apparent.  The conclusions are right there.  China believes in victory at any cost.  Yes, this is a poor weaponized virus, but perhaps it’s because it’s not the finished product.  I don’t doubt this was an accidental containment breach.

One of the reasons bio weapon research is banned is because of the damage that could be done just from an accidental release.  The bats in the wet market are proven false.  The gene sequence evidence is solid.

A YouTube video is not a peer-reviewed, vetted scientific paper. Do a search on PubMed to find the original paper(s).

An hour long? Then it MUST be true!  ;D


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« Reply #386 on: April 17, 2020, 01:04:16 PM »
Unless someone provides the link to the scientific paper demonstrating identity with HIV sequences, I'm in the bat camp or incompetence camp.

https://youtu.be/Gdd7dtDaYmM

Hour long documentary.  The evidence is apparent.  The conclusions are right there.  China believes in victory at any cost.  Yes, this is a poor weaponized virus, but perhaps it’s because it’s not the finished product.  I don’t doubt this was an accidental containment breach.

One of the reasons bio weapon research is banned is because of the damage that could be done just from an accidental release.  The bats in the wet market are proven false.  The gene sequence evidence is solid.

A YouTube video is not a peer-reviewed, vetted scientific paper. Do a search on PubMed to find the original paper(s).

too true. the other clue the documentary might not be sound is----it's on social media!

I think it's more likely than not that the producers of that video are Russian trolls.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #387 on: April 17, 2020, 01:05:32 PM »
I think at this point its pretty well agreed that it was NOT an engineered in the lab virus.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-04-16/esper-coronavirus-was-natural-not-engineered-according-to-majority-of-assessments


The only question is whether the jump happened in the wet market, or was the Chinese Govt' isolating and studying the virus at the Wuhan Lab and there was an accidental breach of safety protocols.

*** DING DING DING ***

If considering two arguments, one being a complex conspiracy theory and the other old fashioned human incompetence, choose the incompetence argument every time.

Species jump from bats (whose immune systems evolve incredibly rapidly and are in an arms race with viruses, so viruses mutate in bat populations very fast) to another, as yet unknown (but possibly a pangolin) species.

Chinese sell and buy wild animals in wet markets (so called because they cool the food by chucking water over it-nothing to do with fish) and voila, a disaster waiting to happen.

Same goes for African "bush meat".

*** DING DING DING ***

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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #388 on: April 17, 2020, 01:33:23 PM »
Full disclosure: I have a Ph.D. in biochemistry and performed molecular genetic studies back in the dark ages of the 80s and 90s. I have published papers. I have poured my own sequencing gels and used radioactivity (!). I have aligned and compared sequences between different organisms.

None of that makes me wicked smaht, but it does make me smahter than your average bear. ;)

PS I know how science is supposed to be performed. Scientists disagree all the time. Well-designed, repeatable experiments are how you prove you're right. (Remember cold fusion?) Hint: Any time you hear "the science has been settled", it's either been a long time or the science has been co-opted.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #389 on: April 17, 2020, 03:00:51 PM »
Full disclosure: I have a Ph.D. in biochemistry and performed molecular genetic studies back in the dark ages of the 80s and 90s. I have published papers. I have poured my own sequencing gels and used radioactivity (!). I have aligned and compared sequences between different organisms.

None of that makes me wicked smaht, but it does make me smahter than your average bear. ;)

PS I know how science is supposed to be performed. Scientists disagree all the time. Well-designed, repeatable experiments are how you prove you're right. (Remember cold fusion?) Hint: Any time you hear "the science has been settled", it's either been a long time or the science has been co-opted.

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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #390 on: April 17, 2020, 03:30:51 PM »
Full disclosure: I have a Ph.D. in biochemistry and performed molecular genetic studies back in the dark ages of the 80s and 90s. I have published papers. I have poured my own sequencing gels and used radioactivity (!). I have aligned and compared sequences between different organisms.

None of that makes me wicked smaht, but it does make me smahter than your average bear. ;)

PS I know how science is supposed to be performed. Scientists disagree all the time. Well-designed, repeatable experiments are how you prove you're right. (Remember cold fusion?) Hint: Any time you hear "the science has been settled", it's either been a long time or the science has been co-opted.

thank you doctor.

I tend to agree with the doctor. If there is incompetence, it's in the CYA actions of the local and or national officials that tried to put a lid on it.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #391 on: April 17, 2020, 07:25:20 PM »
Full disclosure: I have a Ph.D. in biochemistry and performed molecular genetic studies back in the dark ages of the 80s and 90s. I have published papers. I have poured my own sequencing gels and used radioactivity (!). I have aligned and compared sequences between different organisms.

None of that makes me wicked smaht, but it does make me smahter than your average bear. ;)

PS I know how science is supposed to be performed. Scientists disagree all the time. Well-designed, repeatable experiments are how you prove you're right. (Remember cold fusion?) Hint: Any time you hear "the science has been settled", it's either been a long time or the science has been co-opted.

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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #392 on: April 18, 2020, 12:57:20 AM »
Full disclosure: I have a Ph.D. in biochemistry and performed molecular genetic studies back in the dark ages of the 80s and 90s. I have published papers. I have poured my own sequencing gels and used radioactivity (!). I have aligned and compared sequences between different organisms.

None of that makes me wicked smaht, but it does make me smahter than your average bear. ;)

I share the couch with a smhart bear - and his Ph.D. is being put to use daily here at work, so he is fully up-do-date on how the science should work, and laughs with derision / frustration when he heres some of these theories come out of the "news".

I have full confidence in the scientists in my life to be able to spot the BS that some people (youtube and politicians alike) try to feed us.   8)
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #393 on: April 18, 2020, 01:23:50 AM »
Here's a link to a reliable source, with brief analyses of some of the various corona virus conspiracy theories.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52310194
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #394 on: April 18, 2020, 04:52:23 AM »
Here's a link to a reliable source, with brief analyses of some of the various corona virus conspiracy theories.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52310194

Okay, so, BBC is credible?  Let’s look at the relevant portion of the story....

Apologies for the length....

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The virus wasn't created in a lab

A video published by the Epoch Times, that contains claims that the coronavirus was created in a laboratory, has been marked false on Facebook where it has been watched almost 70 million times.

FACEBOOK DOES NOT FACT CHECK.  Facebook has attacked many posts as “fake news” only to backpedal when the MSM starts reporting the exact same thing.  They will mark stuff as “fake news” even when the MSM is the cited source of the material.  What Facebook, YouTube and others do is have people using their SUBJECTIVE opinion to mark items as fake without doing any research or checking any of the cited sources first.

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The opening feels like a slick and dramatic Netflix documentary - there's a flash and crack of a lightning bolt followed by ominous music.

The hour-long video includes a theory about a lab in Wuhan creating the virus and leaking it, due to poor security.

The BBC's science editor, Paul Rincon, says "there's currently no evidence that any research institute in Wuhan was the source of Sars-CoV-2" (which causes Covid-19).

Scientific analysis of the evidence shows the virus came from animals, and was not man-made.

Where is the science editor’s sources.  What are HIS credentials?  Being an “editor” does not confer any special knowledge of the subject matter covered. 

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A peer-reviewed study in March found no evidence the coronavirus had been engineered, stating that "it is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation."

“A” (singular) study....were there others?  Did they agree?  Always watch the words people choose to use.  One study alone doesn’t necessarily prove or disprove something. 

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The video also refers to a study from Indian researchers that claimed to find four new sequences had been inserted into the new coronavirus, which were also present in HIV, to suggest the virus is man-made.
But that paper, never peer-reviewed, was withdrawn by its authors. And the genetic information that had matched is common in many other organisms.

Again, lack of peer review doesn’t prove or disprove something.

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"Those sequences are so short that they match with many different organisms, not just HIV. It doesn't mean they're related," says Dr Jeremy Rossman, a virologist at the University of Kent.

Again, look at the wording.  HIV is not an organism...it is a virus.  So, this statement could mean the gene sequence is common in many organisms affected by HIV.  The alleged sequences in the documentary take a deadlier flu virus and gives it the ability to enter human cells.  The gene sequences are 100% matches for the HIV virus...something that is highly improbable to impossible if it resulted from crossing species naturally.

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Epoch Times, based in New York City, was started by Chinese-Americans affiliated with a religious group called Falun Gong.

The site spent heavily on pro-Donald Trump Facebook adverts last year, reported NBC News.
But in August Facebook banned it from taking out more ads for violating its policies.

Okay, they might as well have said “the outlawed group called Falun Gong.”  It’s what they are implying as China persecutes any non-state-approved religion.  All the MSM spent their money backing Hillary Clinton, and again, they cite a source that doesn’t fact check before declaring something as true or false.

Likewise, criticizing an organization is not refutation.  Did he ask the organization to copy them of their source citations?  Did he follow them to verify their veracity?  Not that this story indicates.  It’s a critique of a VIDEO with some generalized refutations.  We’ve seen this nonsense when people criticize Glenn Beck for positions he’s taken that later are proven true.  When he publishes a book on a topic, I normally includes a huge section detailing all of his sources.  His critics never dispute his sources...they dispute his presentation.

MY POINT IN ALL OF THIS is be careful who you think is a trusted source.  The MSM won’t report or criticize China because of the threat of loss of ad revenue or that China holds an ownership interest is many companies that could retaliate against the media for publishing unfavorable news stories.

The BBC is basically the UK’s version of MSNBC and CNN...discredited, politically-driven media reporting.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #395 on: April 18, 2020, 04:59:09 AM »
I truly believe that we are at a time where there is NO trustworthy source of information.

Everything is about $$$.

The truth belongs to whoever writes the largest check.

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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #396 on: April 18, 2020, 05:32:50 AM »
I truly believe that we are at a time where there is NO trustworthy source of information.

Everything is about $$$.

The truth belongs to whoever writes the largest check.

This is the truest thing here.



Mike, you can find any conspiracy anywhere if you look hard enough. The overwhelmingly large body of information continues to suggest this is a species jump; let that be scary enough, because it is.

Even if some time in the future we learn that it's 100% engineered - which it really, truly, most likely is not - that doesn't help curtail the spread of it by whackjobs who somehow think they're above it all. I watched a video this morning of people being interviewed leaving a church, saying they were protected because they were "covered in the blood of christ" and "even though I see both sides (protip: there aren't any fucking sides) I'm protected through my faith and if others don't have faith, they don't have the lord's protection."

You want to fear something? Fear that irrational bullshit.

There's enough scary shit in the world, in the here and now, in the basest explanations of how we're all just trying to get through a day, without perpetuating a bunch of fear and conspiracy-based unproven tripe.

Stop it.
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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #397 on: April 18, 2020, 06:17:42 AM »
I truly believe that we are at a time where there is NO trustworthy source of information.

Everything is about $$$.

The truth belongs to whoever writes the largest check.

Geeze boss, your smarter than you look.  :bigsmile:
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« Reply #398 on: April 18, 2020, 06:25:06 AM »
...you can find any conspiracy anywhere if you look hard enough. The overwhelmingly large body of information continues to suggest this is a species jump; let that be scary enough, because it is.

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Re: COVID-19 Video
« Reply #399 on: April 18, 2020, 06:59:55 AM »
I truly believe that we are at a time where there is NO trustworthy source of information.

Everything is about $$$.

The truth belongs to whoever writes the largest check.

This is the truest thing here.



Mike, you can find any conspiracy anywhere if you look hard enough. The overwhelmingly large body of information continues to suggest this is a species jump; let that be scary enough, because it is.

Even if some time in the future we learn that it's 100% engineered - which it really, truly, most likely is not - that doesn't help curtail the spread of it by whackjobs who somehow think they're above it all. I watched a video this morning of people being interviewed leaving a church, saying they were protected because they were "covered in the blood of christ" and "even though I see both sides (protip: there aren't any fucking sides) I'm protected through my faith and if others don't have faith, they don't have the lord's protection."

You want to fear something? Fear that irrational bullshit.

There's enough scary shit in the world, in the here and now, in the basest explanations of how we're all just trying to get through a day, without perpetuating a bunch of fear and conspiracy-based unproven tripe.

Stop it.

Using those quotes to paint Christianity would be like using you as the poster child for being divorced.  The Uber extreme fringe whackjobs in the group do not represent the whole.  It's cute how you use the exact same technique of picking out random examples to try to discredit his random examples of trying to prove a point.
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