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« on: February 13, 2020, 09:33:45 AM »
Intermittent fasting is all the rage and I must say, I'm a believer.  I've done the research.  As long as you're smart about it, keep your salts and fluids up (by drinking salty fluids duh) there is no real danger to not eating.  There's plenty of sciency stuff to prove it.  I can provide if requested.  During my initial weight loss, I did several multi-day fasts.  Started at 36 hours.  Then did a 48 a couple times.  I did one almost 96 hour fast but that's as far as I've dabbled. 

I'm fasting now as a way to do a hard boot of my body back to full fat burning mode as well as just the experience and discipline of it.  The last thing I ate was a salad thing Sunday night.  I'm currently at hour 85 in my most recent fast.  This one has been different somehow.  I'm not struggling at all with hunger.  I'm drinking a big Nalgene bottle each day of a salty elixer I mix up in the morning.  It consists of a bottle of sparkling water, about a half cup or so of either olive juice or pickle juice, a shot of lemon juice and a shot of apple cider vinegar then top off with well water.  If I get any communications from my stomach, I just take a hit of that throughout the day.  Given that this one has been so much easier, I'm presented with the question of when to break it.  I've seen a bunch of videos of folks doing 5 day or 10 day or even much longer fasts with dramatic results.  Truth is, I'm down nearly 10 lbs from last Friday already and I feel amazing.  Even working out while fasting seems better although I am backing off the cardio time a bit just so I don't mess up my salt balance too much.  I sweat pretty heavily and can deplete a lot of fluids in a hard 30 min workout. 

So, have you ever tried it?  Do you think you could?  It's a really interesting way to do a figurative and literal gut check. 

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2020, 09:35:02 AM »
edited to add that I top off the elixer w/ well water.

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2020, 09:52:53 AM »
Not a fan myself, but if it works for you then go for it. I eat mostly leafy greens, eggs and fish in olive oil. Then I sabotage it by drinking a mug or two of red wine. I feel much better without the processed foods but I have to eat something.
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Re: Fasting
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2020, 09:53:43 AM »
my Dad used to this a lot back in the day and it worked well for him. I'm a believer, although I don't do it much. I think it is how are bodes were designed to work. 
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Re: Fasting
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2020, 10:17:03 AM »
my Dad used to this a lot back in the day and it worked well for him. I'm a believer, although I don't do it much. I think it is how are bodes were designed to work.

Yeah but people don't want to hear that.  How much of human history, however much of it you believe exists, has involved a gross abundance of available foods?  Not much.  Feast or famine is a thing.  Still is in a large %age of the world. 

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2020, 10:36:06 AM »
I've been doing a daily 18 hour fast, only eating between noon and 6 on. I try to eat unprocessed foods, mostly eggs, chicken, and vegetables.

I can tell you I feel a whole lot better now. I was always tired in the past and would develop random bouts of nasuea. Since changing my diet my energy levels are trough the roof.

I too agree that our bodies are not programmed for all this readily available processed food. I know for a fact that cutting out carbs and sugar has helped how I feel and increased my energy levels immensely.

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2020, 11:12:05 AM »
I've been doing a daily 18 hour fast, only eating between noon and 6 on. I try to eat unprocessed foods, mostly eggs, chicken, and vegetables.

I can tell you I feel a whole lot better now. I was always tired in the past and would develop random bouts of nasuea. Since changing my diet my energy levels are trough the roof.

I too agree that our bodies are not programmed for all this readily available processed food. I know for a fact that cutting out carbs and sugar has helped how I feel and increased my energy levels immensely.

Have you noticed the increased clarity of mind?  That and the decreased inflammation i.e., reduced pain everywhere, are the best parts for me. 
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Re: Fasting
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2020, 11:59:46 AM »
I've done a few stretches of the 16 hour fast. I eat between 12:00 - 20:00. It works for me, but probably mostly because it keeps me from snacking all morning, and eating late in the evening. I couldn't do it while I was on holiday, but i'll go back to it now that I'm home.
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Re: Fasting
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2020, 01:17:50 PM »
Have you noticed the increased clarity of mind?  That and the decreased inflammation i.e., reduced pain everywhere, are the best parts for me.

I guess I would consider it to be better focus. I have so much more energy when I'm eating right that it's easier for me to focus and complete tasks quickly at work.

I have fallen off the wagon a couple of times in the last year, especially over the holidays. Eating lots of sugar and carbs in those periods. When that happens, I almost feel bloated with increased inflammation in my body.

I have also suffered from migraines my whole life and I noticed that getting off sugar has almost eliminated my migraines. When I start eating sugar again, I start to once again experience headaches.

If somebody told me this change in my diet would have these effects, I would have told them they were full of shit. Having experienced the change in how I feel, I'm a believer.


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Re: Fasting
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2020, 07:30:53 AM »
AND 108 hours total fast.  Started messing with my sleep so I'm done.  Still not really hungry in the traditional sense.  More of a psychological obsession with food that became uncomfortable and wouldn't let me sleep.  At 2am, I was sitting in the living room thinking about the leftover muffins and banana nut bread from the conference yesterday. 

There's a smart way to break a fast (guess where the word breakfast comes from) and that's not what I did at all.  :)  Got to work, had a cup of warm broth.  That's smart.  Then you're supposed to wait at least an hour before introducing the next thing.  Within about 35 minutes, I was plowing 4 fried eggs.  Shortly after that, there may or may not have been banana bread.  Shortly after that, coffee with creamer.  :) 

If nothing else, fasting renews your love of the taste of pretty much everything.  The broth was delicious.  The eggs were amazing.  The banana bread was just next level pleasure and it probably wasn't even very good banana bread.  And the hazelnut creamer in my coffee is magnifique'.  :)

And I killed the weigh in at 10.5 lbs down from last Friday.  But one would expect that.  The guy who had a colonoscopy Tuesday was only down 7.5 lbs. 

And now I begin preparations for the aftermath of not easing back into it like I should have...

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2020, 12:48:24 PM »
AND 108 hours total fast.  Started messing with my sleep so I'm done.  Still not really hungry in the traditional sense.  More of a psychological obsession with food that became uncomfortable and wouldn't let me sleep.  At 2am, I was sitting in the living room thinking about the leftover muffins and banana nut bread from the conference yesterday. 

There's a smart way to break a fast (guess where the word breakfast comes from) and that's not what I did at all.  :)  Got to work, had a cup of warm broth.  That's smart.  Then you're supposed to wait at least an hour before introducing the next thing.  Within about 35 minutes, I was plowing 4 fried eggs.  Shortly after that, there may or may not have been banana bread.  Shortly after that, coffee with creamer.  :) 

If nothing else, fasting renews your love of the taste of pretty much everything.  The broth was delicious.  The eggs were amazing.  The banana bread was just next level pleasure and it probably wasn't even very good banana bread.  And the hazelnut creamer in my coffee is magnifique'.  :)

And I killed the weigh in at 10.5 lbs down from last Friday.  But one would expect that.  The guy who had a colonoscopy Tuesday was only down 7.5 lbs. 

And now I begin preparations for the aftermath of not easing back into it like I should have...

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2020, 06:57:43 PM »
One caveat, although you seem pretty informed:

i know a guy who was morbidly obese, and who went on an all liquid diet.  He lost a metric ton of weight, faster than his skin could shrink.

When he went back to solid food, he put on a metric ton and a half. 

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2020, 07:07:54 PM »
I think the problem is most people try to go on a diet, when instead they need to make a lifestyle change.

I always say that whatever you do to lose weight has to be sustainable.  Going on a liquid diet is not sustainable and will just lead to binge eating later. Let's face it, most of us are overweight because of a lack of excercise and poor eating habits.

I think fasting can be a key part of healthy eating.

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2020, 10:45:23 PM »
I think the problem is most people try to go on a diet, when instead they need to make a lifestyle change.

I always say that whatever you do to lose weight has to be sustainable.  Going on a liquid diet is not sustainable and will just lead to binge eating later. Let's face it, most of us are overweight because of a lack of excercise and poor eating habits.

I think fasting can be a key part of healthy eating.

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2020, 09:46:46 AM »
I think the problem is most people try to go on a diet, when instead they need to make a lifestyle change.

Exactly. Diets are fad-ish and short-term. Lifestyle habits take time but can be sustained for life. And I speak from experience. I have lost nearly 100# in the past 2 years; 1# at a time. Cut out the sodas and processed snacks (salty or sweet it doesn't matter) completely. I log all my intake into My Fitness Pal and use their "heart healthy" option to set daily goals.  It's not magic but then I didn't add the weight overnight either.

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2020, 09:49:34 AM »
I think the problem is most people try to go on a diet, when instead they need to make a lifestyle change.
It's not magic but then I didn't add the weight overnight either.

I wish it was as easy to take off as it was to put on. ;D

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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2020, 10:03:42 AM »
My schedule has turned in to daily intermittent fasting pretty organically.

Thanks to my thyroid meds, I can't eat or drink anything other than water for the first two hours after taking the meds, which I have to take after ~12 hours of no food intake, so I take them as soon as I wake up.

Working at home full time, excepting unusually-scheduled stuff, I'm getting up probably 60-90 minutes later each day than when I was at the corporate gig.

I have a daily 8:30am "status meeting", that often turns to other subjects, usually with the meeting ending with the boss saying, "Chris, can you get me that by early afternoon today?" - far later than a typical status meeting should last.

So it's lunch time and after before I go near my first food of the day, and it's usually a quick thing, then a full meal real lunch or early dinner somewhere between 3-4pm, then rinse and repeat the following day. I *might* have some kind of health(-ish) snack in the evenings, but that's no kind of typical thing, and almost never after about 7pm; I can't sleep well on a very full stomach anyway.

Combine that with not having any soda or sugary drinks in a while, and barely going anywhere near alcohol in a couple months, and having my thyroid meds adjusted, I've dropped *almost* 20 lbs in the last two months. Not drinking much isn't even a choice, really - mostly I just don't want to spend the money (because I don't have it) for the stuff I *like*, and there's no way I'm wasting that many calories and feeling like a bucket of ass on cheap liquor or shitty pedestrian beer. I have standards!!! ;)

So yeah, I've got a few things coming together at the same time, but it does seem to work, and more so when it's something that's lifestyle supported, and not that you're shoe-horning into a typical 3-meal-and-snacks-a-day typical schedule and mindset. That's huge. If you get through the adjustment period, eating one big and one light meal a day now feels perfectly fine. Once I get back on the bicycle as the weather improves, I expect to fill in some protein snacks here and there, but I want to avoid going back to more and bigger meals.

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2020, 10:08:56 AM »
Follow up point, I don't even bother trying to ride the bicycle in overly-cold or hot conditions any more. Just doesn't matter. One of the side effects of having a rusted-on-the-vine thyroid that requires daily meds is WAY less tolerance to heat or code, and I seem to be the poster child for that. I mean W-A-Y less tolerance. :(
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2020, 07:20:16 PM »
Follow up point, I don't even bother trying to ride the bicycle in overly-cold or hot conditions any more. Just doesn't matter. One of the side effects of having a rusted-on-the-vine thyroid that requires daily meds is WAY less tolerance to heat or code, and I seem to be the poster child for that. I mean W-A-Y less tolerance. :(

Man, that's gotta be a real pain!  Don't you write code for a living?   :P

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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2020, 10:05:08 PM »
GAAAHHHH!! hehehehe. Total freudian slip. Cold, yes... cold. :)
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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2020, 09:47:16 AM »
It's a code in the noze thing.

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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2020, 09:51:53 AM »
It's a code in the noze D* thing.




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Re: Fasting
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2020, 10:04:53 AM »
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Gonna try another fast this week. Last food was a can of chicken soup and a bowl of popcorn Friday night. Wish me luck.
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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2020, 10:12:43 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2020, 01:04:07 PM »
67 hours and counting.  No issues.  Well, except being obsessed with youtube recipe videos.  :)
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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2020, 07:07:14 AM »
Hour 85.  All is well.  Did 100 pushups yesterday just to test my strength and endurance.  Unaffected.  :)  Granted I stood up a little slower than usual but that's just good common sense. 
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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2020, 10:35:32 PM »
Congrats, ya made it much longer the me, I made it t breakfast and gave up.
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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2020, 06:13:57 AM »
Hour 108.  I'll probably just bag it tonight because Thanksgiving.  Don't want the wife having to sneak a turkey dinner just to try to keep from teasing me.  But this one has been much easier than previous.  I don't know if it's just familiarity or what but I'm thinking after Turkey Day, I might try for a long one.  I've seen people go for 10 - 14 days pretty easily.  I'm thinking there's a 14 day fast in my very near future.   ;D
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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2020, 05:03:42 PM »
Rolling up on 5 days or about 120 hours.  This will be the end of this one.  Need to get some food in me to prepare for Turkey day so it doesn't kill me.  I think a 10 or 14 day will be next.  :) 
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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2020, 11:37:36 AM »
And so it begins.  Today is day 1 of an unknown duration fast.  I'm hoping to get to 14 days but I don't have any hard plans.  We'll see what my body says. 
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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2020, 04:24:29 AM »
Good morning day 7. Down 17 lbs since day 1 of my first 5 day before Thanksgiving.  That's 17 days.  And 6 of those days were eating days. A couple kinda heavy eating days.
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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2020, 05:45:45 AM »
Good for you!!!



I seem to be able to fast when I am at home but on the road fasting goes out the window. That and work buys meals while I am travelling.

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2020, 04:41:04 AM »
Has fasting changed your nightly visits to the bathroom?

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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2020, 06:47:58 AM »
Has fasting changed your nightly visits to the bathroom?

Sort of.  Since I'm taking in nothing but fluids, I'm still getting up to pee at least once.  The good news, which is TMI, is that I'm done with the whole slow pee thing that had been creeping up on me with age.  Probably due to an enlarging prostate or some sort of swelling or inflammation of something or another. 

But the truly positive changes are a bit mind bottling...  My foot pain is almost completely gone.  That was chronic.  Elbow pain is gone.  Shoulder pain is gone.  I'll just go with all joint pain seems to be gone.  I still have a bit of lower back pain but I doubt fasting is going to do too much for whatever disc issues are causing that.  Theory.  The overall absence of pain is kinda euphoric when I get up in the morning.  I'm down 19 lbs and dropping quickly.  I will likely be in the 180s by the end of the week.  I started this little adventure at 214.  My BP is way down, sugar is basically gone from my system and has been for a while.  Stick test last night was 64.  Clarity of mind is another benefit that's just off the charts.  Like a fog being lifted off your mind that you didn't know was there.  That part is really cool.  And I might be crazy but I swear my eyesight is actually better too.  All these things make for a pretty happy camper.

The notsogreat is that I'm cold a lot.   I think that's largely due to the fact that my blubber is going away and the thermal processes of digestion and the other bits that have shut down are missing.  Since my BP is down, that could be why my hands are cold.  I spent decades as a heater so this might just be how normal people live when it's cold.  Fat people are almost always hot.    Kim is loving it.  I'm completely obsessed with food and cooking and videos about food and cooking and competitive eating and anything that scratches the itch.  It's oddly therapeutic.  My overall strength is down some as would be expected.  I'm down to sets of 25 pushups where a few months ago I was able to knock out 40 to 50 in a row on a good day.  But yesterday I did 6 sets so while strength is taking a temporary hit, energy reserves seem to be fine which is also counterintuitive and goes against everything we've been taught about nutrition and the body.  Fasting is cool.

5 more lbs and I move from the obese category to the overweight category according to the standard BMI calculators.  A joke really cuz I've put on a fair bit of muscle recently so if I want to keep that, I'll likely never be in the normal range.  That would have me below 160 lbs.  Kim's brow furrows when I talk about becoming a little man so that's probably not in the cards.  She's kinda digging the whole arm/chest/shoulder thing I got going on so I'll likely keep that around.

Today is day 8 of this particular fast.  I'll likely stop at day 10, feed for a few days, and then do a series of 48 hour fasts to see if I can maintain some losses.  Experiments abound.
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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2020, 07:36:56 AM »
Are you just having the salt concoction and water during these days? Or adding bone broth during the days? Thanks for your reply

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Re: Fasting
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2020, 10:57:27 AM »
Mostly just water.  Some water with ACV and Lemon juice and salt.  Occasional black coffee and herbal teas.  So technically not a purist water fast but they can suck it. 

If you're interested, I can plop some videos as a place to start some research.  Meh, even if you're not...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nJgHBbEgsE some science

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaWVflQolmM  This dude is hard core and I have no interest in adopting his specific choices (vegan and no salt, sugar, oil at all) but the evidence of what he does is pretty irrefutable.  It's a long one but a really good listen. 
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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2020, 11:21:09 AM »
Thanks.  I have dabbled in the past.  Injured my ribs recently mountain biking and haven't been able to ride as hard so I figured I could get back to this since I will not be able to go all out for awhile. 

Was following Dr. Jason Fung a couple of years back when I started doing the 16 hour fast and then progressed to 24 hour fast a couple of times.

Felt great and clear headed as your describe.  Gonna try again.  Right now I am on an 18+ hour fast.  Won't eat until 4:00 today which will take me to about 22 hours. Will eat protein, fiber veggies and some healthy fat.  And then start again.
Thanks for the links, I will check them out.

EDIT::: I saw the bob roll podcast last week.
EDIT 2:  I have also watched the FUNG presentation also but will watch again,...Thanks

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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2020, 11:38:33 AM »
I think I will give this a shot. I did a 3 day fast by accident and I did notice all the benefits you mentioned. Plus I have realized eating has become a habit for me, I'm not actually hungry but it's "lunchtime" so I eat? 
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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2020, 04:19:24 PM »
Tapped out. 8 days for this one. 
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« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2020, 06:24:31 PM »
The auto eating is a killer and is propigated by industrial society. Maybe the work at home crowd will be dropping weight.

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« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2020, 08:02:53 PM »
Occasional black coffee and herbal teas. 

I could probably go a few days on just strong black coffee.  Or at least a lot of tea. 
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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2020, 05:23:17 AM »
Maybe the work at home crowd will be dropping weight.

I hear people complaining about gaining weight because there is always food around. Too easy to wander to/through the kitchen and grab something.
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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2020, 06:43:16 AM »
So my refeed was NOT proper, slow, or spread out over many days as the experts would tell you is a good idea. 

I started w/ a Kombucha to get some good probiotics back into my gut to kickstart things back into production.  Then some berries (not the best idea), then a bowl of soft peas w/ some nutritional yeast.  Then I waited a while just kinda started grazing.  Couple bites of cheese, couple olives, some of Kim's home made drop biscuits with butter and jelly (not smart but freaking amazing).  I did chew everything on a whole new level knowing what bad potential existed.  Laying in bed last night I felt pretty full but not in a stuffed myself silly kind of way.  Just in a feeling things moving through my body kind of way.  Slept better.  Woke up feeling much better.  Got up and made a big ole cup of coffee w/ sugar and milk (not smart) and when I got to work, Woo Hoo!!!  Confirmation that my food decisions last night had no ill effects.  Amazing how giddy you can get about taking a dump when it's been 8 days since the last one.   :D

Mentally, I feel dirty for not continuing longer but I wasn't doing this with medical supervision so when things started feeling off, I just with with discretion over pride.  By off, I just mean I wasn't feeling as good as I did the first many days so I didn't want to take any chances.  But now, I feel really good about adding a 36 or 48 hour fast into my regular routing.  Like maybe weekly. 

I strongly recommend trying this at some level.  It's good for the gut, both literally and metaphorically.  Knowing that I have the discipline to do this adds a LOT to my self perceived character.  Basically, if I can do this, I'm capable of some pretty tough stuff from a willpower perspective. 
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« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2020, 08:39:10 AM »
22 hours yesterday.  Had an eating window of 2 hours and began the fast at 6:00pm.  Today I will eat at 4:00pm-6:00pm again.

Two bowls of beef stew, carrots, peas, green beans, beef and dollop of whole fat yogurt and then at 5:30pm I had 1/2 cup of half and half with a scoop of choc/pb protein, 1/2 cup of traditional oats, with 2 tablespoons of pb. stirred up like soup.

Feel incredible this morning.
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Re: Fasting
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2020, 10:17:11 AM »
This isn't what you're discussing, but come to think about it, I do a mini-fast when on long MC trips. 

I'll either have breakfast and skip lunch, or I'll get going after some good coffee and have a regular lunch.  I'll have a light snack or water if I feel hungry or notice any lack of attention.  Eating three full meals, however, makes me sluggish and uncomfortable if I'm staying on my bike all day.  A little bite keeps me alert, but a big lunch or dinner makes me sleepy.

I wonder what a daily fast would produce?  But better try it at home first rather than on my bike.
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« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2020, 11:07:18 AM »
This isn't what you're discussing, but come to think about it, I do a mini-fast when on long MC trips. 

I'll either have breakfast and skip lunch, or I'll get going after some good coffee and have a regular lunch.  I'll have a light snack or water if I feel hungry or notice any lack of attention.  Eating three full meals, however, makes me sluggish and uncomfortable if I'm staying on my bike all day.  A little bite keeps me alert, but a big lunch or dinner makes me sleepy.

I wonder what a daily fast would produce?  But better try it at home first rather than on my bike.

Not sure there's really such a thing as a mini fast.  :)  That little bite or drink of anything w/ any sugar breaks the fast and you lose any benefit that may have been gained by time going by.  If you skip breakfast and your coffee is black, you're on the right track.  Anything in your pie hole that creates an insulin response (which is pretty much anything in your pie hole) breaks the fast and you start the cycle all over again.  Try a 16/8 for a week as the easiest option.  Eat dinner then ZERO snacks or food or sugary drinks at all.  Skip breakfast and wait as long as you can to eat lunch.  You'll likely notice results in a couple days.  If you wanna go next level, look up some keto diet options and make lunch and dinner completely carb and sugar free.  Then you'll stay in fat burning mode and weight starts to fall off and you get the benefits of mental clarity and some reduced inflammation.  Good stuff.
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Re: Fasting
« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2020, 11:16:25 AM »
The notsogreat is that I'm cold a lot.   I think that's largely due to the fact that my blubber is going away and the thermal processes of digestion and the other bits that have shut down are missing.  Since my BP is down, that could be why my hands are cold.  I spent decades as a heater so this might just be how normal people live when it's cold. Fat people are almost always hot.

Welcome to my life post 90 lb weight loss. I was never overly hot when I was heavy, but I am definitely cold all the time now. I actually hate summer more than winter because of air conditioning. I also hate that standards of interior climate regulation are all still based on the assumption that it is men wearing three-piece wool business suits who are occupying any given building. No one wears that shit any more!

When I mentioned this to my gp, the first thing she did was check to make sure that thyroid was alright, which it is. She hypothesizes that it is now a heat transfer issue, not an insulation issue as you might think. When you lose weight, your surface area goes down, but you don't lose any of the nerves that are responsible for heat transfer between your inside and outside. Therefore, you lose body heat much faster.

This also explains why I get hot under the covers at night. Heat transfer can go both ways, after all.
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« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2020, 08:23:22 PM »
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« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2020, 05:30:10 AM »
Do you mind sharing any books you have read about fasting?

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« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2020, 06:10:25 AM »
Do you mind sharing any books you have read about fasting?

I have Jason Fung's Diabetes Code and I think he's released a complete guide to fasting too.  I'll have to check.  I like him cuz he has completely altered his career based on his personal findings instead of just continuing to roll through patients, prescribing drugs that will continue to slowly kill them, and ignoring the $$$ aspect of said decision.  That's why I like to support him.  Dude still needs to get paid.  He may have saved my life or given me back a lot of healthy years of it.  I'll buy some books. 

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