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Hearing protection and Sena....
« on: November 16, 2019, 09:09:33 AM »
I got a Sena 20S Evo and installed it in the helmet.  The sound quality is adequate, but there remains the wind noise...especially if going over 40.
 
I used to use earbuds to listen to music, with the earbud serving as both hearing protection and speaker.  Since Sena doesn’t make a Sena-to-headphone jack adapter (letting you remove the helmet speakers and use the shielded audio port to plug in), I see two basic options:
 
1.  Use hearing protection adequate to prevent hearing damage without seriously compromising sound quality.
2.  Modify the helmet to better block out wind noise.
 
I haven’t picked out a new helmet yet, and there’s no guarantee that what I buy will do the job in this area even if it’s better than what I have now.
 
I tested with Quiet Contour foam ear plugs (WalMart).  Noise reduction rating (NRR) of 33 dB.  Definitely protects but sound is muffled while testing indoors.
 
I then tested Plugfones Guardian In-Ear Earplug Earbud Hybrid - Noise Reduction In-Ear Headphones I got from Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RW1R81E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1).  Removing the rubber tips and using them (have hole where earbud is attached, music quality was good, but no idea how much hearing protection it provides.

I could try better suited earplugs, but I don’t know what to look for.
 
Examining the helmet, the cheek pads have nothing directly over my ear canals...I question if I could install padding here to block wind noise (see photo).
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2019, 09:59:27 AM »
Sena doesn't offer the earbud-ready clamps any more?
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2019, 10:29:50 AM »
But ... but ... but you're supposed to use crappy bluetooth stereo for everything.
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2019, 11:10:25 AM »
Sena doesn't offer the earbud-ready clamps any more?

You can plug into the “base” attached to the helmet, but...

1. You must open a weatherproof seal to plug in, and
2. It somewhat circumvents why you got a helmet system in the first place.

I find the sound quality of the speakers to be adequate, but I still need to protect against wind noise.
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2019, 11:47:01 AM »
I have a 20s on a fairly noisy Arai. When only listening to BT music, speakers with foam ear plugs work well at legal speeds. When listening to music and any other input(zumo and/or intercom) I use molded in ear that I got at the big motorcycle show. I haven't figured out how to mix the different inputs effectively. And yes, with the in ears plugged in waterproofing is gone so I live with one input depending on the situation.
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2019, 01:36:13 PM »
Sena doesn't offer the earbud-ready clamps any more?

You can plug into the “base” attached to the helmet, but...

1. You must open a weatherproof seal to plug in, and
2. It somewhat circumvents why you got a helmet system in the first place.

1. I've used earbuds with my Sena 20s in heavy weather conditions for years and sealing hasn't been an issue.
2.  I don't see how.
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2019, 02:06:40 PM »
I have used foam ear plugs and a Sena for years and never had a problem.
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2019, 02:22:35 PM »
zero, I think trying ear plugs in your house doesn't do them justice. You need to try them in the same noisy environment as you would be using them.

I use earpeace ear plugs with my sena.
They come with three level of noise reduction filters. You can select the level you find appropriate. I use the black filters and find the sound quality to be ok for a noisy environment. 
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2019, 04:34:07 PM »
Oh, I know testing indoors is weak sauce, but it’s good for seeing how different options compare.  My standard foam plugs deaden too much.  If I find something I like, then I’ll see if it works as well when riding.
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2019, 07:35:30 PM »
I have used foam ear plugs and a Sena for years and never had a problem.

Same here. ( Hear? )
I just turn up the volume a bit.
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2019, 05:30:04 AM »
Sena doesn't offer the earbud-ready clamps any more?

You can plug into the “base” attached to the helmet, but...

1. You must open a weatherproof seal to plug in, and
2. It somewhat circumvents why you got a helmet system in the first place.

1. I've used earbuds with my Sena 20s in heavy weather conditions for years and sealing hasn't been an issue.
2.  I don't see how.

Same. Arai RX-Q and XD-4 and Sena 20 S. Use them both with Er-6i's plugged into the cradle. Used in rain, freeway speeds, I love the setup.
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2019, 06:26:28 AM »
Remember that hearing damage is cumulative, too. What might not sound like a lot of noise infiltration today could be tomorrow's tinnitus.
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2019, 04:48:23 PM »
Remember that hearing damage is cumulative, too. What might not sound like a lot of noise infiltration today could be tomorrow's tinnitus.

That's exactly what I've been told by audiologists and hearing aid professionals!  I grew up before this was an acknowledged issue and was running lawn mowers and other equipment without hearing protection from a young age.  I started using hearing protection only in my late 30s, and I think it's helped preserve what's left.  But what was lost is not coming back, ever.

If you are teaching kids to use power equipment or getting them into powersports, please start them out right with hearing protection and model good practices in front of them.

Alternatively, it makes a good excuse for not hearing one's spouse fussing!   :blbl:
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2019, 11:53:57 PM »
Just FYI: The hair cells in your inner ear don't care whether the acoustic energy they receive is music or wind noise. Prolonged exposure to either at sufficient amplitudes will damage them. WBill

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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2019, 07:36:57 PM »
Just FYI: The hair cells in your inner ear don't care whether the acoustic energy they receive is music or wind noise. Prolonged exposure to either at sufficient amplitudes will damage them. WBill

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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2019, 03:13:05 AM »
Just FYI: The hair cells in your inner ear don't care whether the acoustic energy they receive is music or wind noise. Prolonged exposure to either at sufficient amplitudes will damage them. WBill

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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2019, 10:20:28 AM »
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2019, 09:11:02 PM »
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Re: Hearing protection and Sena....
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2019, 02:30:16 PM »
Well, I just got a chance to try out the EarPeace ear plugs.  Went with the lowest reduction.  Not bad.  Too bad the Sena speakers are pure ass.  Windy day, so it was a good day to test.  I suppose for all day rides I’ll have to stick to earbuds as I had the Sena at max and could barely hear (although music was not all that “muffled” with the plugs), and at max volume, the speakers are particularly bad.  These work well for short jaunts where fiddling with wires is undesirable.  That’s my big issue...earbuds involve fiddling with wire placement so they don’t get caught in zippers, pinched or you turn your head and it pulls an earbud out of place.
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