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Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« on: August 22, 2017, 02:36:13 PM »
So I've been playing around with making short video ride reports lately - 2 or 3 minutes max, with dozens of shots covering all the events of the ride.

Like these:

https://youtu.be/Ix5sc1x3cpk
https://youtu.be/hCh_MIMyB5k
https://youtu.be/e5KYZ207eyM

I've been doing the usual "narrative and photos" ride reports seemingly forever now.  While not impossible, I find it quite difficult to serve two masters and do photography and video at the same time. 

What do you folks prefer?  Why?  Don't just base your answer on my reports/videos, but in general.  Do you really like sitting down with a laptop and immersing yourself in a story with 100 photos, or maybe it's more appealing to fire up a youtube clip on your phone for 2 minutes while you're bored at lunch?

I'm thinking in the short term about the upcoming ESTO event in Sparta, with some Blue Ridge Parkway, WV and SE Ohio in the mix.  Do the same old 'photos and trip notes', or really go at it with the GoPro?

I'm really curious what people think.
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2017, 02:45:15 PM »
I'd vote for both as each as a purpose. I see your point of difficulty capturing content for both.

For me, my trip reports are FOR ME (for when I'm in a nursing home and can't get out - I can re-live them as I wish to see them [lots-o-pix]) and I don't (much) care what others think.

Perhaps, the mode you document might depend upon the trip you're on?

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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2017, 02:49:24 PM »
It's a lot easier to refer back to a traditional ride report for road info than re-watching a video and copying down what you say.

On the other hand, YouTube still allows you to post stuff for free, unlike PB that pulled access to thousands of trip photos I've posted over the last decade.
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 02:51:21 PM »
It's a lot easier to refer back to a traditional ride report for road info than re-watching a video and copying down what you say.

On the other hand, YouTube still allows you to post stuff for free, unlike PB that pulled access to thousands of trip photos I've posted over the last decade.

Very doubtful I would do any narration.  Location-indicating titles could be in there, but nowhere near the detail that I would normally put in a written narrative.
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 03:00:19 PM »
I voted for tradition.  Most videos look are crap.  They tend to have shitty music and poor editing.  I like that the one sample of yours that I partially watched seemed to be well cut.  Any  time a clip is longer than 10-15 seconds there sure as hell better be a good reason for it.


Also, I'm watching at home through a big pipe and what Youtube says is 1080P is still a bit choppy and pixelated.

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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2017, 03:07:17 PM »
I voted for tradition.  Most videos look are crap.  They tend to have shitty music and poor editing.  I like that the one sample of yours that I partially watched seemed to be well cut.  Any  time a clip is longer than 10-15 seconds there sure as hell better be a good reason for it.


Also, I'm watching at home through a big pipe and what Youtube says is 1080P is still a bit choppy and pixelated.

I agree with your comments - Can't control what youtube does unfortunately - assuming you've gone and chosen HD already.

15 seconds would be an eternity for a clip! LOL   That 2 minute River Road video has 45 clips, with the longest one being about 6 seconds (and probably should have been shorter, but I really like riding that narrow road by the rocks :))

Edits for the most part are on the beats of the music which helps the video flow well - assuming anyone listens to it to begin with.

So assume the end product is a halfway decent video...
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2017, 05:59:06 AM »
A video is like a little candy topping piece on the Ride Report slice of cake. Good without it, but its an extra-special little treat.
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2017, 08:14:52 AM »
I think there should be an option 3

Traditional RR interspersed with photo's AND short video clips to illustrate the highlights.

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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2017, 08:38:32 AM »
I think there should be an option 3

Traditional RR interspersed with photo's AND short video clips to illustrate the highlights.

 :withstupid:

But I know you find it hard to do both. Why don't you experiment with video for awhile and see how you like it? We'll survive.

One of my friends as well as Gene and Neda on the other site do both - photographs with short videos. Dan's videos are really interesting in that Dan is a former MotoGP level rider. He does these videos with his helmet cam video embedded in a video from the bike. What you see is that he keeps his head level and always looking toward the vanishing point while he moves the bike around under him. He's clearly not gawking at the scenery.

It just depends on what your end purpose will be. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2017, 09:22:46 AM »
I'll say standard ride report.

Having said that, I often go to You Tube when I am planning a trip (2 or 4 wheels) to have a good look of the particular roads that I am considering.

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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2017, 07:31:00 PM »
For me I enjoy reading ride reports with pics. When there are vids interlaced in the RR all the better, but to have only Video, no not really the same. A well written narrative and set up to the pics and Vid is what I enjoy.

  I must admit, my personal ride documentation (for when I am too old to ride) are saved on disc. A written Word Doc and a file full of pics. Rarly do I share them or post them on the net
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 08:33:04 PM »
I prefer pics and narative because most bike related videos bore me. I understand the intent but to be interesting, they need to be staged. Just seeing the rear end of another bike gets boring quick.  Pics, you can take your time, try different shots and finaly pick the good ones to publish. Add good penmanship and you have a winner.

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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2017, 08:59:41 PM »
There is a way to beat YouTube's compression. Shoot 1080p @ 60 fps (30 fps just doesn't get it done for bike video). Transcode it to 4K. It won't find detail that wasn't in the original video, but YouTube's handling of 4K, at least to date, minimizes damage.

There are gotchas, of course. Gotcha #1: the transcoded file will run somewhere between 100 and 115 Gb (that's Gb with a G, not an M). Gotcha #2: it takes a while to upload 100  Gb. Expect to spend more than an hour with a fast connection. Gotcha #3: the published video will need 12-24 hours to be available in 4K. This process happens with 1080p, too, but takes less time to be available at full resolution. Gotcha #4: you must be a validated user. This is a simple process (YT will tell you how it's done). Big gotcha: You need a fast connection(DSL simply won't do it, unless you download the video) to view 4K. Viewing at 1080 or 720 will be ...um... seriously lacking.

OK, the gory details... first and foremost, not every camera, shooting at 1080 @ 60 fps, will give a truly good image. It takes a good sensor behind a good lens, and a good signal processor (translates sensor output to something to put on a chip). I have no experience with GoPro, so I have no idea how good their output is. Many Chinese clones produce near crap. I use an SJCam S?J7 Star - very much Chinese (what isn't?) but also very, very good. A Sony sensor and an Ambarella processor combine to give crisp, well exposed imagery. The camera has its problems, NTL I shoot 400 Gb during a week in the Alps. I lost some video because of an unexplained problem, and because I was too dumb to change the external battery pack for my second battery pack (50,000 mAh - dirt cheap on eBay). I lost some video because the GP clone mount loosened up (lots of sky on the chip) - fortunately none of that video was crucial. The camera does near real-time video to a phone (great for aiming). Anyway, having a good camera matters.

The editor matters. I use Blackmagic's Davinci Resolve. The free version is amazingly capable, with mostly esoteric features (e.g., lens correction) locked out. It's not simple to use but there are a ton of how-to videos (IMHO Casey Faris leads the list). And it transcodes (big word for changes file format and image size). I build a video in 1080p and, as the last step, transcode. Editing with Resolve requires a kick-butt fast machine with a kicks-even-more-butt graphics card. An email and browsing machine will be hopeless.

Enough talk. Try these two videos to see what I'm talking about. Do lots of pauses (notably near stone walls) to see the detail.





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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2017, 09:38:44 PM »
The video quality on those is very very nice!
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2017, 06:07:47 AM »




That I know how to do, the rest of it.... :shrug:

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2017, 07:12:46 AM »
You just have to change the https to http in the youtube links to get them to embed.
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2017, 07:43:09 AM »
I'd vote for both as each as a purpose. I see your point of difficulty capturing content for both.


Perhaps, the mode you document might depend upon the trip you're on?

I enjoy whatever you post - and thank you for it.

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From my perspective, which format I enjoy depends on my level of interest in the details of the trip.

I enjoyed Doug's video collages because I was familiar with the areas and a lite reminder was all I needed.  If I was planning a trip through southern France, I would look for trip reports from someone who provided more detail.   

With the wide preponderance of info available on the web, you should Present your story in the format that best conveys your experiences from your perspective. And I suspect that will vary from ride to ride.  But thanks for your consideration. 
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2017, 09:26:24 PM »
One of my more verbose (are any less???) writings received the comment TL;DR. Too long; didn't read. I obviously don't always listen (well duh!), occasionally I do. I planned to write a RR for this trip. The more I read and reread most RR's... yep, they're almost always predictable. Started early/late because... Check. Stayed at relative/BFF/kind stranger's place? Check. Weather was great/sucked? Check. Food porn? Check. Charmin in the master bath/newspaper in the one-holer? Check. Had good/bad life altering experience? Check. Had a great time/will sell the damn bike? Check. TL;DR

I'm letting the pictures do the talking; I'll just set the scene, start the video, and let it run. There's room at the bottom of the video's page for anyone else's comments and/or questions.
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2017, 07:44:48 PM »
It's a lot easier to refer back to a traditional ride report for road info than re-watching a video and copying down what you say.

On the other hand, YouTube still allows you to post stuff for free, unlike PB that pulled access to thousands of trip photos I've posted over the last decade.

There's a reason I have my own hosting and so on, for sure.
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2017, 08:44:13 PM »
OT but... PB's really screwed the pooch for a lot of people. Can't imagine why they won't see a dime of my money, but SmugMug does see my money...
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2017, 08:50:44 PM »
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With one freakishly spotless wind screen  :crazy:
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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2017, 06:30:04 AM »
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With one freakishly spotless wind screen  :crazy:

I know, right? It actually creeped me out a little.
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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2017, 11:55:50 AM »
I love ride videos that are mostly slide shows of pics with a few 10 sec. video clips set to an appropriate song.

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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2017, 10:30:19 PM »
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With one freakishly spotless wind screen  :crazy:

Fixed that for you. Note that splat in the upper right (view at 4K for the best view) - took me a while to get tired of seeing it. OTOH there really aren't as many obnoxious flies in the area. Which helps to limit splats.

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Re: Standard Ride Reports or Video Ride Reports?
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2017, 10:42:00 PM »
"appropriate song" - particularly with YouTube, this is a potentially ...um... awkward spot. All the bike videos with "Free Bird", etc. are potentially at risk for being shut down for copyright violation. Not Good.

Even the stuff that I get from Jamendo varies between "no copyright" and "performer can monetize", not totally clear. Oddly, on some videos a particular tune may have the "monetize" note, while it isn't in other videos. Go figure.

Point being: be careful about what's in the soundtrack.
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« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2017, 10:53:11 PM »
All will be, no doubt, ecstatic to know the splat remained five days later. The raindrop splats (from a passing incontinent cloud) were, however, only about an hour old. But, three days later, they were still there when the bike was turned back in. See the following for confirmation of all splats under discussion.
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