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« on: April 03, 2017, 08:45:38 AM »
I'm in the market for security cameras - or is it a security camera system?
I'm overwhelmed by the variety of options, or more precisely how to find (& assemble) the combinations I want without paying for features I don't want.
I want:
2 cameras; outdoor
  1 needs to have night vision, the other is for my driveway & garage that has a motion light
  can (should?) be hard wired
local storage of pics / video - I'm not $ubscribing to cloud $torage
  at least a couple weeks worth, preferably increaseable
  ability to save / export
motion alerts - but NOT Email
able to view from phone

kinda want:
ability to adjust motion sensativity
ability to add camera(s)
make my own storage system

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Re: security cameras
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2017, 09:04:10 AM »
I'm in the market for security cameras - or is it a security camera system?
I'm overwhelmed by the variety of options, or more precisely how to find (& assemble) the combinations I want without paying for features I don't want.
I want:
2 cameras; outdoor
  1 needs to have night vision, the other is for my driveway & garage that has a motion light
  can (should?) be hard wired
local storage of pics / video - I'm not $ubscribing to cloud $torage
  at least a couple weeks worth, preferably increaseable
  ability to save / export
motion alerts - but NOT Email
able to view from phone

kinda want:
ability to adjust motion sensativity
ability to add camera(s)
make my own storage system

I work for an alarm company.  I'm a programmer monkey, not a sales monkey though.  If you need specific answers, I'll ask for you, but it seems your still in 'lay of the land' mode.

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Re: security cameras
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2017, 09:09:47 AM »

I bought an 8 camera system from B&H Photo. It's made by SWANN. The cheap cameras are the weak link. I've replaced most of them under warranty. The DVR is fine but I should have bought a set with a higher quality camera.
I have wired cams both indoors and out. The picture quality is decent and is viewable remotely with an app as well as through a small inexpensive dedicated monitor.





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Re: security cameras
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2017, 09:50:56 AM »
I installed a wireless system.

Don't bother. Range is an issue as is battery life. High traffic'd areas will result in you pulling the cameras every week (or more) to recharge them. Cold weather also affects battery life.

Better to go wired (PoE) and have a good strong signal without the needs to have multiple hubs just to reach everywhere.

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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2017, 11:29:12 AM »
FWIW (I know you're looking for outside cams but the company does have outdoor cams) I have worked with this brand/model of inside cam and can say the motion detection is poor (activates when it shouldn't and doesn't when it should):
http://foscam.com/product/8.html

Other aspects are decent - not needing to be rebooted, reliable e-mailing of images, reliable access via iNet (port forwarding mode).
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Re: security cameras
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2017, 10:33:29 PM »
I'm in the market for security cameras - or is it a security camera system?
I'm overwhelmed by the variety of options, or more precisely how to find (& assemble) the combinations I want without paying for features I don't want.
I want:
2 cameras; outdoor
  1 needs to have night vision, the other is for my driveway & garage that has a motion light
  can (should?) be hard wired
local storage of pics / video - I'm not $ubscribing to cloud $torage
  at least a couple weeks worth, preferably increaseable
  ability to save / export
motion alerts - but NOT Email
able to view from phone

kinda want:
ability to adjust motion sensativity
ability to add camera(s)
make my own storage system


I am interested in the same thing, with the same specs.  I am watching this thread! 

FWIW (I know you're looking for outside cams but the company does have outdoor cams) I have worked with this brand/model of inside cam and can say the motion detection is poor (activates when it shouldn't and doesn't when it should):
http://foscam.com/product/8.html

Other aspects are decent - not needing to be rebooted, reliable e-mailing of images, reliable access via iNet (port forwarding mode).


This is good to know- they were recommended to me by a friend but I haven't jumped yet.  Wired would be a big deal to me as well.
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Re: security cameras
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2017, 11:37:40 PM »
This discussion got me looking and I was happy to see that the Synology line of NASes supports IP cameras and my existing switch support PoE... nice.

Motion sensing seems to be an issue with all cameras from all makers. Lots of false positives and you'll end up turning the sensitivity way down unless it's a constrained area with little authorized (and no unauthorized) traffic.

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2017, 11:43:24 PM »
Motion sensing seems to be an issue with all cameras from all makers. Lots of false positives and you'll end up turning the sensitivity way down unless it's a constrained area with little authorized (and no unauthorized) traffic.


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Back on topic:  Do camera systems where the cams are dumb and connect to a multi-head DVR box handle motion detection better than the all-in-one cams?
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2017, 07:32:53 AM »
One thing to be aware of is that most Inet capable cams (Security or otherwise) have really poor security.  I'd make sure to set them up on a VPN unless you want to advertise when your not home.
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Re: security cameras
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2017, 11:10:37 AM »
One thing to be aware of is that most Inet capable cams (Security or otherwise) have really poor security.  I'd make sure to set them up on a VPN unless you want to advertise when your not home.

I get your point about poor device security but could you clarify what you mean by set them up on a VPN? Thanks
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2017, 12:46:20 PM »
And connect them to a network separate from your home/private/trusted network (read isolate your private devices from the untrusted IOT [possible trojan horse] devices).

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/General-Tech/Steve-Gibsons-Three-Router-Solution-IOT-Insecurity
http://nerdcave.littlebytesofpi.com/router-configuration/
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Re: security cameras
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2017, 02:01:37 PM »
move to a  low crime area?
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Re: security cameras
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2017, 05:08:15 PM »
Update
Here's the system I'm probably going to get;
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NBT1W9A/ref=psdc_14241331_t2_B01LXGLF6B

Good features
Good price; $130
Good reviews; 4.5 stars
It will give me 2 extra cameras
Looks like I'll have to add a 12V power supply, but I've got those.
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Re: security cameras
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2017, 12:46:30 PM »
Another demerit for Ring.

After a while they restrict the video files for the Ring unless you sign up for a service. After that, you can only see live video. Look elsewhere.

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Re: security cameras
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2017, 04:49:29 PM »
Update
Here's the system I'm probably going to get;
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NBT1W9A/ref=psdc_14241331_t2_B01LXGLF6B

Good features
Good price; $130
Good reviews; 4.5 stars
It will give me 2 extra cameras
Looks like I'll have to add a 12V power supply, but I've got those.

That's a great price- and it looks expandable to 8 cameras?  I'd love to hear your review once it's installed.
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