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5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« on: December 22, 2013, 04:45:24 PM »
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2013, 05:19:16 PM »
Did Yamaha finally add a 6th gear?
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2013, 05:21:30 PM »
Did Yamaha finally add a 6th gear?

Nope. And still not needed. The 5 speed is geared perfectly for the bike.
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2013, 05:31:48 PM »
Its a great bike no doubt about it.

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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2013, 05:34:16 PM »
Did Yamaha finally add a 6th gear?

Nope. And still not needed. The 5 speed is geared perfectly for the bike.

Think of all the money all the other makers of sport touring bikes could save by going back to a 5 speed.  Might as well bring back drum brakes.  :lol:









I'm just bustin' your balls a bit Justin.  :D  I like Yamaha.  Read my signature.  But they really need to update the bike completely.  I understand it's a decent bike, but the last two reviews of it I read both called it "horribly outdated" and "clearly not in the same class as it's competition".  Yamaha is my 2nd favorite Japanese brand, and I'd push that FJR before I rode a Honda, but it's time to advance.  The same reason the "new" CBR1000RR is getting blasted for STILL not joining every other liter bike on the planet and having electronics.  I'm sure there are some that say "real" riders don't need electronics.  But no one can deny the benefits of ABS.  I rode a Tuono V4 with a full electronics package and it was mind altering.  The bike was amazing.  The quick shifter makes using a clutch to upshift so 1980's.  You can take off like a funny car from the line and then stand it on it's nose with such ease.  I look forward to riding another FJR.  The blue 2006 was a very good looking, and riding bike.  But I don't think it would out impress me over the new RT.  BMW's bags are also way nicer then the ones on the Yamaha.  I just saw both at the IMS in NYC.  What IS needed is a nice ST bike UNDER 550lbs.  :beerchug:
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2013, 05:58:41 PM »
Did Yamaha finally add a 6th gear?

Doesn't need it at all. The thing is geared wonderfully to utilize that massive torque.

Goodness, I miss my Feejer. (sigh) Such a dumbass for selling it.  :facepalm: :nuts:

5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR

That's because it's still the closest thing to the perfect (fully road-going) motorcycle that's been built to date.  :inlove:
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2013, 06:00:32 PM »
I'm just bustin' your balls a bit Justin.  :D  I like Yamaha.  Read my signature.  But they really need to update the bike completely.  I understand it's a decent bike, but the last two reviews of it I read both called it "horribly outdated" and "clearly not in the same class as it's competition".

That's because the reviewers care more about advertising money that the gee-whiz builders still toss at them.

It's 60-100 lighters than most everything in its class, it's not overly wrought with half-baked electronics that solve problems no one is posing, and it's got the right equipment for the segment, without succumbing to feature creep.

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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2013, 06:02:08 PM »
I preferred other bikes.  It was nice, but not my pick.  Which is fine.  Everyone is different.  The weight issue is valid.  They are ALL too heavy anymore.
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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2013, 06:03:37 PM »
The weight issue is valid.  They are ALL too heavy anymore.

Troof, dat.
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2013, 06:05:40 PM »
The weight issue is valid.  They are ALL too heavy anymore.

Troof, dat.

Which is why I SOOOOOOO wish BMW would make a wethead R1200ST.  Mine is 100 pounds lighter then the RT, far more sporty riding position, and still has wonderful hard bags.
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2013, 11:27:39 PM »
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2013, 07:21:58 AM »
Ed is the exception to many rules.

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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2013, 08:22:57 AM »
Ed is the exception to many rules.

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It's threads like this when I miss County.   :cry:

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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2013, 08:25:18 AM »
Yamaha should add an "*"




*none of the IBR bikes actually looked like this and had major modifications to compete.  :lol:

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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2013, 08:48:02 AM »
The weight issue is valid.  They are ALL too heavy anymore.

Which is why I only had mine for 5 months.....way too heavy for me.
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2013, 10:03:34 AM »
The weight issue is valid.  They are ALL too heavy anymore.

Troof, dat.
+1
5 speeds isn't an issue unless you have a peaky engine. You can't call the FJR's engine peaky.
My pet peeve with the FJR is the side bags. They're way too small, too much wasted space.
I was expecting better bags with the redesign.
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2013, 10:29:17 AM »
The weight issue is valid.  They are ALL too heavy anymore.

Troof, dat.
+1
5 speeds isn't an issue unless you have a peaky engine. You can't call the FJR's engine peaky.
My pet peeve with the FJR is the side bags. They're way too small, too much wasted space.
I was expecting better bags with the redesign.

Sell them to all the nut bags who keep crashing their FJRs to fund a set of Givis. :thumbsup:
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2013, 10:32:28 AM »
5 speeds isn't an issue unless you have a peaky engine. You can't call the FJR's engine peaky.
My pet peeve with the FJR is the side bags. They're way too small, too much wasted space.
I was expecting better bags with the redesign.

After riding the Busa with just a tail bag, the amount of storage space on the FJR seems massive. It's all relative. The side bags seem fine to me, and with the liners work great. Pack your bag liner with all your clothes, then slide it right in the case. Holds a lot.
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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2013, 10:44:34 AM »
5 speeds isn't an issue unless you have a peaky engine. You can't call the FJR's engine peaky.
My pet peeve with the FJR is the side bags. They're way too small, too much wasted space.
I was expecting better bags with the redesign.

After riding the Busa with just a tail bag, the amount of storage space on the FJR seems massive. It's all relative. The side bags seem fine to me, and with the liners work great. Pack your bag liner with all your clothes, then slide it right in the case. Holds a lot.

My issue with the Yamaha bags is they still only have two clinch points on the side it closes.  The BMW and Triumph cinch on all 3 sides and are completely waterproof. The FJR bags can leak if over filled.  The RT bags were also bigger.  But I agree, you reach a point where you probably are packing too much stuff. 
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2013, 12:49:11 PM »
The weight issue is valid.  They are ALL too heavy anymore.

Troof, dat.
+1
5 speeds isn't an issue unless you have a peaky engine. You can't call the FJR's engine peaky.
My pet peeve with the FJR is the side bags. They're way too small, too much wasted space.
I was expecting better bags with the redesign.

Sell them to all the nut bags who keep crashing their FJRs to fund a set of Givis. :thumbsup:
My wife's bike has givis. She can (and does) carry twice as much stuff as I do.
But (there's always a but) they stick out too far to the side. I like to ride with the side bags on, so what givis are available for the FJR are out.
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2013, 01:06:53 PM »
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2013, 01:15:17 PM »
Fuel Capacity   6.6 gal

Mine has 11.5 gallons :)

And it's the lighter and faster Gen1.
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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2013, 01:16:33 PM »
Fuel Capacity   6.6 gal

Mine has 11.5 gallons :)

And it's the lighter and faster Gen1.

Have you ever posted pics Justin?  It sounds cool.
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2013, 01:40:06 PM »
Thanks for the pics.  No wonder you love your FJR so much.  You can ride that thing forever with that much gas!  :D
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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2013, 01:56:03 PM »
Thanks for the pics.  No wonder you love your FJR so much.  You can ride that thing forever with that much gas!  :D

It's set up for long distance rallies and Iron Butt rides. It'll go 400 miles between fillups at sane speeds.
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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2013, 02:15:04 PM »
My wife's bike has givis. She can (and does) carry twice as much stuff as I do.
But (there's always a but) they stick out too far to the side. I like to ride with the side bags on, so what givis are available for the FJR are out.
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2013, 07:48:27 AM »
Yamaha should add an "*"




*none of the IBR bikes actually looked like this and had major modifications to compete.  :lol:

My first thought.  :lol:  Think the IB finishers looked like that, do they?
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2013, 08:58:40 AM »
Just goes to show that Yamaha makes a fine musical equipment, nice generators and a great distance bike.
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« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2013, 09:08:50 AM »
But they really need to update the bike completely.  I understand it's a decent bike, but the last two reviews of it I read both called it "horribly outdated" and "clearly not in the same class as it's competition".  Yamaha is my 2nd favorite Japanese brand, and I'd push that FJR before I rode a Honda, but it's time to advance.  The same reason the "new" CBR1000RR is getting blasted for STILL not joining every other liter bike on the planet and having electronics.  I'm sure there are some that say "real" riders don't need electronics.  But no one can deny the benefits of ABS.  I rode a Tuono V4 with a full electronics package and it was mind altering.  The bike was amazing.  The quick shifter makes using a clutch to upshift so 1980's.  You can take off like a funny car from the line and then stand it on it's nose with such ease.  I look forward to riding another FJR.  The blue 2006 was a very good looking, and riding bike.  But I don't think it would out impress me over the new RT.  BMW's bags are also way nicer then the ones on the Yamaha.  I just saw both at the IMS in NYC.  What IS needed is a nice ST bike UNDER 550lbs.  :beerchug:

The new FJR has TC/ABS, ESA, cruise, heated grips standard, electric windscreen, etc. How exactly is it horribly outdated?
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« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2013, 09:28:28 AM »
But they really need to update the bike completely.  I understand it's a decent bike, but the last two reviews of it I read both called it "horribly outdated" and "clearly not in the same class as it's competition".  Yamaha is my 2nd favorite Japanese brand, and I'd push that FJR before I rode a Honda, but it's time to advance.  The same reason the "new" CBR1000RR is getting blasted for STILL not joining every other liter bike on the planet and having electronics.  I'm sure there are some that say "real" riders don't need electronics.  But no one can deny the benefits of ABS.  I rode a Tuono V4 with a full electronics package and it was mind altering.  The bike was amazing.  The quick shifter makes using a clutch to upshift so 1980's.  You can take off like a funny car from the line and then stand it on it's nose with such ease.  I look forward to riding another FJR.  The blue 2006 was a very good looking, and riding bike.  But I don't think it would out impress me over the new RT.  BMW's bags are also way nicer then the ones on the Yamaha.  I just saw both at the IMS in NYC.  What IS needed is a nice ST bike UNDER 550lbs.  :beerchug:

The new FJR has TC/ABS, ESA, cruise, heated grips standard, electric windscreen, etc. How exactly is it horribly outdated?

I didn't write the articles Shane, and it was about the 2012 if I recall.  This IS a new, or a freshened up FJR, but I still think the lack of a 6th gear in today's marketplace is weak.  Sure the faithful will stand there and say it's not needed, just like BMW people (and I am one) refuse to hear negatives about their bikes.  I think the boxer is adequate, and I routinely take it into the 110mph range, but many call it "needlessly old school".  I love your Connie 14, but it's heavier then I want to go.

And on that note, no one, EVEN BMW, has my bank account on stand by.  The only ST bike under 550 and over 100hp is the Ninja 1000 and it's OK, but certainly not the top of the segment.  The Futura, Sprint, ST4s, 800 Interceptor, are all gone.  The VFR1200 is fugly, over priced, and heavy.  I might have to go with a K1300S, but the bags are marginal and it's just a tick over 550.  I've read as high as 565.
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2013, 09:40:01 AM »
It's not *needed* at all, mechanically. The table-top torque curve and pretty wide RPM range and smooth comfort of top-speed cruising while not lugging the engine at sub-par RPM ranges because of an overdrive gear, all work very nicely.

The only reason to add it is because of market peer pressure, and I for one nod appreciatively to Yamaha for not - so far - bowing to the silliness.

The bike doesn't need it, so it shouldn't be re-engineered for market peer pressure.

That's not faithful blindness talking; that's 3 decades of mechanical know-how and lots of time building and tuning race engines and race cars talking. :thumbsup:

Until someone can show me a dyno chart showing exactly where the bike will benefit from a 6th gear that doesn't include statements like "competitors' products", I'll continue to giggle about how dumb it is for the magazine to say such things.

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I also think Kawasaki's KiPASS is dumb.
I think BMW's mechanical headlight system is dumb.
I think putting a 6 speed gear box in a 100-footpound 5000 rpm cruiser is dumb.
I think the idea of pairing ABS ONLY with the DCT is a dumb move by Honda.
I think continuing to NOT put belt drive in long distance bikes is dumb.

In sure, making something "better" by adding stuff that doesn't really solve a problem and only adds check marks to a feature sheet is kinda dumb. But... maybe I'm just not the target demo. :shrug:
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« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2013, 09:56:01 AM »
And Mercedes is making an 8 speed automatic because of "peer pressure"?  A correctly spaced transmission with 6 gears versus 5 allows more precise tuning.  Why not just stick a 4 speed on it?  Or 3?  There is a reason technology takes us to new levels.  Nobody needs magnesium and carbon fiber components, but it's where it's going.  You can put ABS on drum brakes as well as on discs.  No brake dust, longer life, and unless you are racing it, heat buildup and fade are minimal.  No one seems to want to go back that route either.  Discs are lighter and easier to maintain.  And as Shane pointed out they added the same electronics as the other bikes now.  So why not concede there is at least a slim market appeal for Yamaha to stop being the only 5 speed out there?  There are plenty of "not needed" examples out there.  Even with a 6th gear I wouldn't buy one, so I'm sure Yamaha could care less what I, and numerous others apparently, think.
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2013, 10:00:18 AM »
I also think Kawasaki's KiPASS is dumb.
I think BMW's mechanical headlight system is dumb.
I think putting a 6 speed gear box in a 100-footpound 5000 rpm cruiser is dumb.
I think the idea of pairing ABS ONLY with the DCT is a dumb move by Honda.
I think continuing to NOT put belt drive in long distance bikes is dumb.


I missed your ninja edit.

I agree with those.  I hated the keyless ignition on the Multistrada.  One more thing to go wrong in the middle of nowhere.  I took note of the FJR I rode of only having 5 so I don't think it's just "piling on" with what I read in a magazine.  It was a nice bike, and the blue was OUTSTANDING.  One of my favorite shades ever on a bike.  I just wish I could get 125-140hp, hard bags, shaft drive, ABS, etc... in a NEW bike that weighs under 550lbs wet.
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2013, 10:01:53 AM »
I think BMW's mechanical headlight system is dumb.

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Just to be clear, are you talking about the adaptive headlamp system? I thought it was a great idea. This discussion may end up in a new thread to not take this one OT.
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2013, 10:02:43 AM »
Yamaha's official position on the 5th gear issue...

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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2013, 10:14:51 AM »
And Mercedes is making an 8 speed automatic because of "peer pressure"?  A correctly spaced transmission with 6 gears versus 5 allows more precise tuning.  Why not just stick a 4 speed on it?  Or 3?  There is a reason technology takes us to new levels.  Nobody needs magnesium and carbon fiber components, but it's where it's going.  You can put ABS on drum brakes as well as on discs.  No brake dust, longer life, and unless you are racing it, heat buildup and fade are minimal.  No one seems to want to go back that route either.  Discs are lighter and easier to maintain.  And as Shane pointed out they added the same electronics as the other bikes now.  So why not concede there is at least a slim market appeal for Yamaha to stop being the only 5 speed out there?  There are plenty of "not needed" examples out there.  Even with a 6th gear I wouldn't buy one, so I'm sure Yamaha could care less what I, and numerous others apparently, think.

8 speed gear box...? I if it's automatic, fine. Manual? Hell no. I mean, you're talking Benz, there. In that case, you're likely talking about trying to balance MPG from a 500hp overkill engine and the "feel of power" that spending stupid money on a car demands. 

:-) I hear you.

I'm not discounting the idea that newly designed and updated things are beneficial. If it increases strength, rigidity, decreases weight, increases functionality that makes a better experience for the driver/rider, makes it safer, etc... by all means.

But for me, I'm sticking with the real-world package in the FJR. Shifting for the sake of shifting sucks. Shifting to find the right rpm range for the speed and road...? Absolutely. I defy anyone to actually ride the FJR for an appreciable number of miles, and *objectively* show me where it falls on its face because it doesn't have the right grunt at any speed/gear combo, and the thing is a long way from running out of top-end. That's all I'm saying. At this point, it would gain nothing but peer pressure equivalence. And that's just not an idea I can support.

If you just like a 6 speed, you like the tradition of it, or you feel like it's a competing point, then fine. That's an opinion that every person is free to hold for himself. I'd never discount anyone's opinion when they're building a comparison sheet. For me... my opinion... I would rather shift fewer gears more suited to the engine/gearing than to shift more gears because of keeping up with the competitors' spec sheets.

But objectively... nah, the FJR is fine as is. They got it right.

If the engine didn't put out the torque that it does, and/or needed another 4000 RPM to achieve the desired overall performance, then by all means. Having spent 30,000 miles on an FJR, I never once - not cruising across the turnpike for hours on end at felony speeds, or carving up twisties in 15mph hairpins going into 100mph sweepers - ever felt like I needed another top gear or any closer ratios. Heck, considering you could easily go from 1st to 3rd to 5th and never lose any real-world driveability, the 5 speed is perfect, if not more than is *objectively needed*.

I would put money on the notion that Yamaha has already done a cost/benefit analysis and has decided that *if* there is a benefit to adding a 6th gear, it isn't enough of one to absorb the cost of the re-engineering. And given the space and design, a complete and full reworking of the gearbox / engine casing would be necessary.

Part of "better" is cost. Adding another $1500* to the bike takes away its 'better' status.


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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2013, 10:17:05 AM »
I think BMW's mechanical headlight system is dumb.

Heresy!! Burn him!!!!!

Just to be clear, are you talking about the adaptive headlamp system? I thought it was a great idea. This discussion may end up in a new thread to not take this one OT.

In theory, awesome idea. The idea is to wash light on the road during turns and leans. Excellent idea, in theory.

for 1/10th the cost they could have simply designed a more-widely-dispersed reflector and saved a metric shit ton of cost, weight, complexity and parts-list count.

I return to my previous statements... "part of 'better' is cost", whether that cost be up front purchase price, long term reliability and replacement, etc. The BMW system is, as yet, unproven due to its niche nature and short time in the market place.

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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2013, 10:22:54 AM »

But for me, I'm sticking with the real-world package in the FJR. Shifting for the sake of shifting sucks. Shifting to find the right rpm range for the speed and road...? Absolutely. I defy anyone to actually ride the FJR for an appreciable number of miles, and *objectively* show me where it falls on its face because it doesn't have the right grunt at any speed/gear combo, and the thing is a long way from running out of top-end. That's all I'm saying. At this point, it would gain nothing but peer pressure equivalence. And that's just not an idea I can support.


Before I had an FJR, I complained about it lacking a sixth gear. Owning one, I realized the 5 speed is geared perfectly for the engine. If I could have another gear, it would be above where 5th already is, so I didn't have to run 8000 RPM's at Nevada speeds :).
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2013, 11:11:59 AM »
I believe the US version of the FJR was tuned to keep the top speed down.
My understanding is the EU version will run higher top speeds.
Gear selection on an FJR is more about acceleration and control than speed.
I always kinda saw it as kind of a built-in safety feature limitation.


I'd be willing to bet I could stick an FJR in 2nd gear and ride it cross-country without changing gear.  It has more than enough power and gear selection for riding at reasonable & prudent speeds, anything less than twice the posted limit.  It don't need no stinken' 6th gear; it would be superfluous, and probably fairly powerless as well.


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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2013, 11:19:34 AM »

[Now my Wee - on the other hand - it needs a 7th gear and 350 more CCs.  Even though, as wifey says, I don't need a bike that will let me go faster, although I'm not quite certain she's correct on that point.]

I used to balk at people who think they knew more than the engineers when it came to regearing the 'Strom. Now, after spending many miles and hours... I'm convinced all of Japan was on crack the day they decided on the gearing for this thing.

Suzuki most definitely did NOT get it right on the Strom.  :facepalm:
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2013, 11:26:37 AM »

[Now my Wee - on the other hand - it needs a 7th gear and 350 more CCs.  Even though, as wifey says, I don't need a bike that will let me go faster, although I'm not quite certain she's correct on that point.]

I used to balk at people who think they knew more than the engineers when it came to regearing the 'Strom. Now, after spending many miles and hours... I'm convinced all of Japan was on crack the day they decided on the gearing for this thing.

Suzuki most definitely did NOT get it right on the Strom.  :facepalm:

there is no perfect gearing for any bike, it's all about what you want to do. Typically Japanese sportbikes I go the equivalent of 1 tooth down in the front. If I was touring on it I would leave it stock. the 990 I went down as well, do to having to clutch it too much in the tight stuff. But it's running 5K at 80mph on the highway now.  I'm not sure why the old CB900(?) with the H/L trans. never went over well? I think it would be perfect, specially for adventure bikes?
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2013, 11:38:37 AM »
 it's not just the absolute gearing... All too low or all too high. It's the gearing between gears. Its awful.

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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2013, 11:40:28 AM »
it's not just the absolute gearing... All too low or all too high. It's the gearing between gears. Its awful.

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really? that is screwed up then...
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2013, 12:00:57 PM »
it's not just the absolute gearing... All too low or all too high. It's the gearing between gears. Its awful.

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really? that is screwed up then...

Yeah, it's kinda awful. Now it's geared lower (PO did it) and first gear winds out like the reverse gear in a tow truck, and the overdrive gear is still ass-high for normal-road use. It'll wheelie or spin the rear wheel when even a hint of dampness is around in three gears without even trying, but falls on its face in high gear under 70.
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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #48 on: December 24, 2013, 01:08:27 PM »
And on that note, no one, EVEN BMW, has my bank account on stand by.  The only ST bike under 550 and over 100hp is the Ninja 1000 and it's OK, but certainly not the top of the segment.  The Futura, Sprint, ST4s, 800 Interceptor, are all gone.  The VFR1200 is fugly, over priced, and heavy.  I might have to go with a K1300S, but the bags are marginal and it's just a tick over 550.  I've read as high as 565.

You are going to have a tough time meeting those specs unless you are riding solo. Most ST bikes are made for a little passenger comfort over the long haul and that equals weight. Sure you can do it on a lighter bike like a Sprint ST or a VFR, but you give up a little bit in passenger comfort.

When you say "top of the segment", what qualifiers are you using? If you're talking electronic add-ons, with those come weight penalties. I've ridden with plenty of guys on this forum and you would be amazed at what can be done on an FJR or C14 without all the electronic gee wiz stuff stuff on it. Plenty of these guys can leave most in the dust if they choose. I'm a big fan of technology, but for some reason other than ABS, I just don't feel a huge need for it on a bike.

If you need bigger bags, you're packing too much shit. :bigsmile: As for the bags being water proof on the FJR, I can tell you for a fact they are and haven't heard of anyone having any real problems with them.

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Re: 5 out of 6 IBR top finishers rode an FJR
« Reply #49 on: December 24, 2013, 01:11:49 PM »
it's not just the absolute gearing... All too low or all too high. It's the gearing between gears. Its awful.

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really? that is screwed up then...



Yeah, it's kinda awful. Now it's geared lower (PO did it) and first gear winds out like the reverse gear in a tow truck, and the overdrive gear is still ass-high for normal-road use. It'll wheelie or spin the rear wheel when even a hint of dampness is around in three gears without even trying, but falls on its face in high gear under 70.

That reputation kept me away from the big V-Strom.  My little Wee runs 35-45 mph twisties quite well - 3rd & 4th gear are prime - it's lackluster in sweepers.

The only thing not to like about an FJR is its weight.  County was spot-on in that regard.  It's a pig.

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