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Re: Brexit
« Reply #300 on: May 15, 2019, 04:16:20 PM »
We disparage the Farage.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #301 on: May 24, 2019, 10:01:51 AM »
So.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #302 on: May 24, 2019, 10:30:35 AM »
We'll have that tosser Boris next....
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #303 on: May 24, 2019, 05:31:24 PM »
I’m so, so sorry.
She's got a worm in 'er belly? That's disgusting! That's interesting, but very disgusting. 

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #304 on: May 24, 2019, 06:32:43 PM »
We'll have that tosser Boris next....

And I thought our gubermint wuz messed up.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #305 on: May 25, 2019, 11:20:56 AM »
We'll have that tosser Boris next....
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #306 on: May 25, 2019, 01:47:15 PM »
Pretty soon they're going to run a background check on you if you're buying a milkshake
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #307 on: May 25, 2019, 02:28:39 PM »
Saw where our city wants all pets registered.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #308 on: May 25, 2019, 02:37:13 PM »
We'll have that tosser Boris next....

And I thought our gubermint wuz messed up.

Well.... it is  :shrug:
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #309 on: May 26, 2019, 11:29:49 AM »
I’m amazed more don’t want out of the EU.

The heart and soul of the discontent seems to revolve over “parliament” being a bunch of unelected “representatives” who have no accountability to the nation or people they represent.  So, a bunch of bureaucrats deciding what’s best for everyone regardless of what people think about the proposals.

Sure the EU bolstered prosperity, but at the expense of self determination.  The EU is not “the United States of Europe.”  The US is a republic of 50 independent states agreeing to be bound to an overarching political structure limited in scope with checks and balances.  The EU pretty much dictates what its member nations must do because a handful of politicians think they know what’s best for everyone else.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #310 on: May 26, 2019, 01:06:40 PM »
EU politicians are accountable-the lack of accountability is a myth perpetrated by the far right.

The EU has brought us peace, wealth and rights.

Leaving the EU will benefit a cynical few, who have sold a nationalist dream to people who have suffered under an austerity programme.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #311 on: May 26, 2019, 05:44:59 PM »
Regardless whether EU membership is bad or good, where the UK stands now in between is not good for the UK.  You got to move, you got to move
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #312 on: May 27, 2019, 01:20:33 AM »
yes we have. our gubbernment is the worst in my lifetime.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #313 on: May 27, 2019, 09:31:28 AM »
yes we have. our gubbernment is the worst in my lifetime.

Why does that sound somewhat familiar to what I heard about Thatcher's time?

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #314 on: May 27, 2019, 01:44:13 PM »
Kinds like US.  They keep improving on the worseness.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #315 on: May 27, 2019, 02:00:52 PM »
yes we have. our gubbernment is the worst in my lifetime.

Why does that sound somewhat familiar to what I heard about Thatcher's time?

at least she was pro Europe
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #316 on: May 27, 2019, 04:25:47 PM »
One thing for sure, when it comes to protesting, your method is exemplary.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #317 on: May 28, 2019, 06:48:10 AM »
Is that milk? 😅
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #318 on: May 28, 2019, 09:02:08 AM »
Is that milk? 😅

Milk shake. Although yoghurts have been used.

One Farage supporter even poured yoghurt over himself to claim he had been assaulted. Bless the little attention-seeking saddo.

Anyway, the votes are in for the European Parliament. The Brexit party won. Democratically.

Although-did it? Add the leavers votes together, remove the Conservatives and Labour-neither of whom has a coherent policy, despite being the main parties, and the result was 40% remain, 32% leave.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #319 on: May 28, 2019, 09:34:47 AM »
Sounds like a pollster or statistician; you can add and remove all sorts of things to get to a predetermined result.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #321 on: May 28, 2019, 11:15:19 AM »
Well, 32% of the voters who turned out, they do.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #322 on: May 28, 2019, 11:23:43 AM »
Well, 32% of the voters who turned out, they do.

If you don't turn out to vote, you must not care too much...

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #323 on: May 28, 2019, 11:33:29 AM »
Well, 32% of the voters who turned out, they do.

If you don't turn out to vote, you must not care too much...

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #324 on: June 01, 2019, 02:12:41 AM »
Someone in Scotland wrote “WANK” beside every party on their ballot, other than the Green Party, beside which was written “not wank”.

According to Scottish Law that indicates “Clear preference” and the vote got counted
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« Reply #325 on: June 01, 2019, 09:36:11 AM »
Most excellent!

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #326 on: June 01, 2019, 01:36:56 PM »
"Caledonian Wankers Win One Wednesday-Western Isle Women Wondering Why"

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #327 on: September 03, 2019, 01:19:27 PM »
Britain is now the first country which has declared war upon itself and still managed to lose.
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« Reply #328 on: September 03, 2019, 01:30:30 PM »
Britain is now the first country which has declared war upon itself and still managed to lose.

What's the latest in the effort to carry out that which the people voted to do?
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« Reply #329 on: September 03, 2019, 01:54:26 PM »
Britain is now the first country which has declared war upon itself and still managed to lose.

What's the latest in the effort to carry out that which the people voted to do?

The people voted Brexit by (I think, memory  fades, it's been so long) 53% to 49%.

Nobody voted for a no deal Brexit. Brexit campaigners told us we would be richer, get a deal, etc. They lied.

Everybody was lied to at the referendum, mainly by people who would make a lot of money out of Brexit. Most Brexit voters came from areas where heavy industry had gone (think Rust Belt), who had had no voice for decades, had high rates of unemployment (or low wages) and low rates of educational attainment.

We voted into Europe in 1975. This was the second referendum, held to keep the Tory Party together, not for the national good. Best of three?

As we speak, Parliament is attempting to wrestle back control from the Government. One is elected, the other, not so much.
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« Reply #330 on: September 03, 2019, 01:56:21 PM »
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« Reply #331 on: September 03, 2019, 02:13:22 PM »
We're watching the circus on TV now. I am doing my best to follow UK government processes, but from my couch, this is the most royal fuck-up since ... I don't know. It's pretty bad.

At this point, I just want Oct 31st to come so that the major points of uncertainty can be put aside and everyone can focus on cleaning up the mess.
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« Reply #332 on: September 03, 2019, 02:19:17 PM »
And then there is this, the collapse of the Good Friday agreement (thank you USA for helping broker it). There is no way that Ulster can remain violence-free after Brexit, however tgings pan out. Violence has begun again, although on a smaller scale than before.

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« Reply #333 on: September 03, 2019, 02:20:36 PM »
We're watching the circus on TV now. I am doing my best to follow UK government processes, but from my couch, this is the most royal fuck-up since ... I don't know. It's pretty bad.

At this point, I just want Oct 31st to come so that the major points of uncertainty can be put aside and everyone can focus on cleaning up the mess.

It is. The Mother of Parliaments has shown itself to be so fragile. Most of our constitution was written on the back of a fag packet in 1689.
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« Reply #334 on: September 03, 2019, 07:02:50 PM »

They lied.

Everybody was lied to..., mainly by people who would make a lot of money...  ...voters came from areas where heavy industry had gone (think Rust Belt), who had had no voice for decades, had high rates of unemployment (or low wages) and low rates of educational attainment.


POLITICS.  Yuck.

We managed to snag a tour of British Parliament 2 years ago.  I was amazed to learn there Is not enough room to seat all of the members at once.   Add to that the roll call for voting sounds bonkers.

Today the pound sterling nearly fell to its lowest level in 34 years.  Last week I had dinner with a fellow (it wasn’t Thaler) who tried to Make me understand why significantly weakening a nation’s currency would be good for its economy.  Didn’t look that way to me today. 

But I think I might be wading too deeply into politics here.  Best of luck Papa.



It is. The Mother of Parliaments has shown itself to be so fragile. Most of our constitution was written on the back of a fag packet in 1689.

And it’s held up pretty d@mn well for all of that.
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« Reply #335 on: September 04, 2019, 11:47:06 AM »
Selfishly, the GBP to USD has improved (for me) making that trip Sheri and I want to take to Scotland a little more affordable.  :) 
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« Reply #336 on: September 04, 2019, 05:05:53 PM »
If you time it just right in August, you can visit both Balmoral Castle and Buckingham Palace (both when the Queen is not in residence) and visit Parliament while its not in session, all before Scotland decides to secede from the Union to remain in the EU. 
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #337 on: September 04, 2019, 06:12:09 PM »
This dance is getting ugly. Who knew the world could be complicated?
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« Reply #338 on: September 05, 2019, 04:02:29 AM »
This dance is getting ugly. Who knew the world could be complicated?

Just my perspective, but it seems the anti-Brexit forces have fought tooth and nail to not let it happen rather than work in good faith for a smooth(er) transition.
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« Reply #339 on: September 05, 2019, 05:38:40 AM »
This dance is getting ugly. Who knew the world could be complicated?

Just my perspective, but it seems the anti-Brexit forces have fought tooth and nail to not let it happen rather than work in good faith for a smooth(er) transition.

Actually, the Brexiteers didn't expect to win and therefore had no plan to leave the EU. Then they asked the grown ups-the Remainers- to sort it out for them. The Brexiteers didn't like the result and voted it down. Then they came into power. They are not doing well, so far.

Brexit with a deal is one thing, no deal would be, using the word advisedly, catastrophic.  Brexit with no deal was not voted for (the Brexiteers promised the world would be falling over itself to give the UK a deal. It didn't).

And I really worry about a return to violence in Ulster.
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« Reply #340 on: September 05, 2019, 08:09:16 AM »
Brexit with a deal is one thing, no deal would be, using the word advisedly, catastrophic.  Brexit with no deal was not voted for (the Brexiteers promised the world would be falling over itself to give the UK a deal. It didn't).

It's not in the EU's interest to let anyone out of the EU.  Of course they didn't want to make a deal.
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« Reply #341 on: September 05, 2019, 08:16:35 AM »
Brexit with a deal is one thing, no deal would be, using the word advisedly, catastrophic.  Brexit with no deal was not voted for (the Brexiteers promised the world would be falling over itself to give the UK a deal. It didn't).

It's not in the EU's interest to let anyone out of the EU.  Of course they didn't want to make a deal.

Don't think that's quite right. They'd prefer Brexit with a deal and offered a deal (of course they'd prefer it if we stayed). The Irish backstop, to prevent a return to violence and protect Eire's economy, scuppered it in parliament.
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« Reply #342 on: September 05, 2019, 10:59:12 AM »
Brexit with a deal is one thing, no deal would be, using the word advisedly, catastrophic.  Brexit with no deal was not voted for (the Brexiteers promised the world would be falling over itself to give the UK a deal. It didn't).

It's not in the EU's interest to let anyone out of the EU.  Of course they didn't want to make a deal.

Don't think that's quite right. They'd prefer Brexit with a deal and offered a deal (of course they'd prefer it if we stayed). The Irish backstop, to prevent a return to violence and protect Eire's economy, scuppered it in parliament.

I would disagree.  The EU has a vested interest in the UK suffering from leaving the EU.  If the UK is unaffected or benefits from it, other small countries (it is feared) will head for the doors as well, further weakening the bargaining ability of Germany and France (ie the main drivers of the EU).

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« Reply #343 on: September 05, 2019, 11:23:11 AM »
Oh, they'll punish us but not as badly as we feared.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #344 on: September 05, 2019, 01:52:11 PM »
Naturally the EU would prefer the UK to stay. But if they're not going to stay, the EU is not going to make it easy for the UK.

However, this "unknowing" chaos that is currently going on, a decision needs to be made. It is causing instability not just in the UK and the EU, but further afield as well.


Personally, I hope that the EU does not grant an extension. The UK needs to get its act together - an act they had three years to sort out  :facepalm:
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« Reply #345 on: September 05, 2019, 03:02:45 PM »
our politicians have sh*t for brains
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #346 on: September 05, 2019, 03:07:58 PM »
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I’ve had a really good idea. Why don’t we all just agree this Brexit business is far too complicated and pretend it never happened?

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surrender? i voted leave and will never surrender!

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Yes but that’s like voting for a 16 inch penis.

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« Reply #347 on: September 05, 2019, 03:22:54 PM »
I had no idea that Boris Johnson was only 16 inches tall. Huh.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #348 on: September 05, 2019, 09:35:43 PM »
I believe the EU ultimately benefit if theUK leaves.  The U.K. is not part of the single currency, so no downside there.  There are many large financial groups departing U.K. and relocating in EU due to the loss of reciprocal residency.  The EU benefits from this transition.  Of course, EU doesnt want to loose the U.K. trade agreements.  On balance through, there is no strong motivation to offer the U.K. comfortable terms.  And that is exactly where the offer sits.  UK suffers even more if it leaves without a deal.  EU is in a position to say take it or leave it. 

One point I agree with Boris; the U.K. needs to exit and end it soon. 

But it’s not the best thing for either the U.K. or EU.  Deal or no deal.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #349 on: September 09, 2019, 09:42:36 PM »
Meh.  Mark my words- it's like with US politics.  Lots of people screaming that the sky is falling.  In reality it's just going happen.  There will be some bumps, but no one's going to war and it will be OK.
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