Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Author Topic: Wall to Chyenne?  (Read 5905 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online R Doug

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Clemmons, NC
  • Posts: 6263
  • Where there is Danger, there is Doug
Wall to Chyenne?
« on: June 07, 2016, 11:49:53 AM »
Any advice on scenic roads or places to stop (or avoid)?

I plan to start the day on Sage Creek Road along the western side of the Badlands and continue south at Scenic.


Only motorcycle riders know why a dog sticks its head out of a car window.

Online Vulcanbill

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: it's a secret, WV
  • Posts: 3822
  • no thank you ... still
  • Motorcycles: 2016 Kawasaki Versys 650 - ORANGE!!!!
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2016, 12:25:13 PM »
teaser:  here's sage creek campground for a preview of the surrounding area.  pay attention on sage creek road.  it's straight forever taunting you with speed then there's a dogleg of 20 mph curves w/ 4" thick gravel to wake you up.  fun.  the sheep or sheephead or whatever ride was fun too.  another pay attention moment as the road (narrow double track) abruptly ends at a canyon.  see pics.

http://vulcanbill.blogspot.com/2014/08/badlands-national-park-august-31-day-5.html
If a person's primary concern is increasing freedom, they should prepare for a reduction in average lifespan.  ---  Misanthropist

If you say "Gullible" real slow, it sounds like "Orange"

Online R Doug

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Clemmons, NC
  • Posts: 6263
  • Where there is Danger, there is Doug
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2016, 01:14:43 PM »
Thanks, Bill.

A couple of questions.

1)  The entire length of Sage Creek is 4" gravel or only sections?

2)  Sage Creek Road ends in a canyon or is that the sheep road you're talking about? 

I am hoping to use this road to travel south. 


here's the planned start of my route:


https://goo.gl/maps/ShXqLEyuK152
Only motorcycle riders know why a dog sticks its head out of a car window.

Online Black Hills

  • Member
  • Location: Rapid CIty, SD
  • Posts: 3659
  • Motorcycles: KTM 1290 Adventure R, KTM300xcw, 1290 SuperDuke
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2016, 03:58:39 PM »
It's a good (60+mph) road, no worries. Personally I prefer to avoid the Rez, but it is probably worth the experience. I would head west on 44 until you cross the Cheyenne, then left on the first gravel road. You can hang a right and do several miles of "trail" on the railroad buttes ORV area.  It's kind of fun. Google earth would be your best bet to take a look.
visitors can't see pics , please register or login


 visitors can't see pics , please register or login
the above are merely the ramblings of a hamfisted fuckwit who has broken too many helmets.

Online Vulcanbill

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: it's a secret, WV
  • Posts: 3822
  • no thank you ... still
  • Motorcycles: 2016 Kawasaki Versys 650 - ORANGE!!!!
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2016, 04:30:23 PM »
Thanks, Bill.

A couple of questions.

1)  The entire length of Sage Creek is 4" gravel or only sections?

2)  Sage Creek Road ends in a canyon or is that the sheep road you're talking about? 

I am hoping to use this road to travel south. 


here's the planned start of my route:


https://goo.gl/maps/ShXqLEyuK152

Don't take Mike's advice. He's insane and has no real world understanding of how fast you're supposed to be able to travel on gravel roads.  :)

Both times I've been there, it's been mostly gravelly hard pack w/ some slippy sections mostly where you'd expect them on a gravel road.  It's insanely wide for most of it though.  It's in the turns that the gravel can pack up a bit and not always where you'd expect it.  It's very easy riding, don't get me wrong.  Just be aware that it suffers the same fate as most gravel roads just on a much grander scale.  And when you've been trotting along at 60 OMGs , I mean MPH, you'll think you've slowed way down for the turn.  You might be right.  :)

Just a bit south of Scenic on whatever that road is, (Bombing Range Road later turns into Bigfoot Trail) Sheep Mountain Road will be on the right.  43.724496, -102.528646  It's just a quick out and back but it's kind of spectacular and will scratch your offroad itch a bit more than sage creek did.  However, if you're feeling really frisky, I was studying the map of that area and I saw that if you turn right immediately after you head south from Scenic onto Indian Creek Road and take that till it drops into the canyon at this point 43.778067, -102.669395 then bear left, it seems that you can do some more off roading and head south via a tad more engaging route.  The map says that road ends but if you zoom in and switch to satellite view, you'll see that it does in fact continue south all the way to this point 43.637680, -102.596513 where you would turn left and come back out on the same road you left in Scenic.  I don't know why it's not on the map, but it looks like it would be quite an adventure.  Seems like that would be the road that goes through the valley that you will be overlooking from Sheep Mountain at the overlook before it becomes a 4wd road.  Not sure how much you'll be hurting for time, but it looks like it would be a good place to explore.  :)  Pay attention to Indian Reservation stuff tho.  I don't know how all that works. 

If a person's primary concern is increasing freedom, they should prepare for a reduction in average lifespan.  ---  Misanthropist

If you say "Gullible" real slow, it sounds like "Orange"

Online Black Hills

  • Member
  • Location: Rapid CIty, SD
  • Posts: 3659
  • Motorcycles: KTM 1290 Adventure R, KTM300xcw, 1290 SuperDuke
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2016, 04:50:59 PM »
hmmm. This is not the first time I've been accused of this??
the above are merely the ramblings of a hamfisted fuckwit who has broken too many helmets.

Online R Doug

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Clemmons, NC
  • Posts: 6263
  • Where there is Danger, there is Doug
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2016, 07:36:16 PM »
Thanks for the additional information.  Bill, thanks for the coordinates.  Blackhills, I'm not able to find what you're talking about on a map. 


This was my planned route,

https://goo.gl/maps/B34FuwaaLET2


but I'm cosidering changing it to this.



https://goo.gl/maps/sCAg5MCZAgz



Only motorcycle riders know why a dog sticks its head out of a car window.

Online Black Hills

  • Member
  • Location: Rapid CIty, SD
  • Posts: 3659
  • Motorcycles: KTM 1290 Adventure R, KTM300xcw, 1290 SuperDuke
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2016, 08:04:57 PM »
It's probably not on most maps, and it's even hard to see on google earth.  I think either one of your routes is good.
the above are merely the ramblings of a hamfisted fuckwit who has broken too many helmets.

Offline kneescrubber

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Neither here nor there
  • Posts: 10479
  • Nothing beats good line of sight
  • Motorcycles: 1999 VFR
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2016, 08:45:03 PM »
It's probably not on most maps, and it's even hard to see on google earth.  I think either one of your routes is good.

Yes, teasing is always the best route. Never give specifics.  ;)
Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.

Ralph Waldo Emerson

Online R Doug

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Clemmons, NC
  • Posts: 6263
  • Where there is Danger, there is Doug
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2016, 08:54:25 PM »
It's probably not on most maps, and it's even hard to see on google earth.  I think either one of your routes is good.

Yes, teasing is always the best route. Never give specifics.  ;)

I see how he is.  All greedy and what not.   :augie: :lol:


Those pictures look amazing.


Only motorcycle riders know why a dog sticks its head out of a car window.

Offline kneescrubber

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Neither here nor there
  • Posts: 10479
  • Nothing beats good line of sight
  • Motorcycles: 1999 VFR
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2016, 09:07:16 PM »
Actually, he did give some specifics. West on 44, cross the Cheyenne River and take the first left.
Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.

Ralph Waldo Emerson

Online Black Hills

  • Member
  • Location: Rapid CIty, SD
  • Posts: 3659
  • Motorcycles: KTM 1290 Adventure R, KTM300xcw, 1290 SuperDuke
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2016, 09:17:35 PM »
If u look on google earth when you cross the river you can see a road heading south. There is a kink in it and right after the kink you can see the trail. 
the above are merely the ramblings of a hamfisted fuckwit who has broken too many helmets.

Online R Doug

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Clemmons, NC
  • Posts: 6263
  • Where there is Danger, there is Doug
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2016, 09:35:58 PM »
Good stuff, thanks.  I had no idea what "cross the Cheyenne" meant until now.
Only motorcycle riders know why a dog sticks its head out of a car window.

Online R Doug

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Clemmons, NC
  • Posts: 6263
  • Where there is Danger, there is Doug
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2016, 05:50:00 AM »
I believe I found the road just over the Cheyenne.  This looks like a good way to go.


https://goo.gl/maps/vHWpGE7Hq8u


And, I see why one may want to avoid going through the Res.


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/law-disorder-pine-ridge-indian-reservation
Only motorcycle riders know why a dog sticks its head out of a car window.

Online Black Hills

  • Member
  • Location: Rapid CIty, SD
  • Posts: 3659
  • Motorcycles: KTM 1290 Adventure R, KTM300xcw, 1290 SuperDuke
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2016, 09:00:14 AM »
Haha, yea.  If we tell people that we are racist.  It's a long story, 95% of time you will be fine and there are a lot of great people, but there are a few. 
the above are merely the ramblings of a hamfisted fuckwit who has broken too many helmets.

Online R Doug

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Clemmons, NC
  • Posts: 6263
  • Where there is Danger, there is Doug
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2016, 09:09:29 AM »
If there's a way we could connect for a bite to eat, I'd love to meet you (my treat).

:hail:
Only motorcycle riders know why a dog sticks its head out of a car window.

Online Black Hills

  • Member
  • Location: Rapid CIty, SD
  • Posts: 3659
  • Motorcycles: KTM 1290 Adventure R, KTM300xcw, 1290 SuperDuke
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2016, 11:51:15 AM »
Let me know when you will be near by and I can meet you anywhere uou want.  I also have a spare bed and garage if u need either.   
By the way I think the one in his home environment pays the tab. 
the above are merely the ramblings of a hamfisted fuckwit who has broken too many helmets.

Offline kneescrubber

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Neither here nor there
  • Posts: 10479
  • Nothing beats good line of sight
  • Motorcycles: 1999 VFR
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2016, 11:53:01 AM »
Let me know when you will be near by and I can meet you anywhere uou want.  I also have a spare bed and garage if u need either.   
By the way I think the one in his home environment pays the tab.

I agree.  ;D
Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.

Ralph Waldo Emerson

Online Black Hills

  • Member
  • Location: Rapid CIty, SD
  • Posts: 3659
  • Motorcycles: KTM 1290 Adventure R, KTM300xcw, 1290 SuperDuke
the above are merely the ramblings of a hamfisted fuckwit who has broken too many helmets.

Online R Doug

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Clemmons, NC
  • Posts: 6263
  • Where there is Danger, there is Doug
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2016, 01:03:15 PM »
I'll be leaving Hulett WY the morning of June 22 and making a long scenic way to Wall hitting most of your recommended roads in the Black Hills area followed by riding the scenic 240 before wrapping up the day seeing Wall Drug (guiltily pleasure on seeing roadside attractions). 

The next morning is when I'll take Sage Creek on the western side of the Badlands and make my way to Cheyenne, WY.

Believe me, the input you and Jim (in CO) have given me, I owe both a round.

I'd buy Bill and Kim beer too, but they won't be in the area when I'm there.   :P
Only motorcycle riders know why a dog sticks its head out of a car window.

Online Vulcanbill

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: it's a secret, WV
  • Posts: 3822
  • no thank you ... still
  • Motorcycles: 2016 Kawasaki Versys 650 - ORANGE!!!!
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2016, 09:34:34 AM »
Whatever you do, don't go through red shirt.  Nothing good has ever come from anything red shirt related.
If a person's primary concern is increasing freedom, they should prepare for a reduction in average lifespan.  ---  Misanthropist

If you say "Gullible" real slow, it sounds like "Orange"

Online R Doug

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Clemmons, NC
  • Posts: 6263
  • Where there is Danger, there is Doug
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2016, 09:55:54 AM »
One of my scariest moments came from an encounter I had in Farmington, NM.  The youths approaching me (and talking trash) while I was pumping gas weren't there to say, "Hi, welcome to Farmington." 
Only motorcycle riders know why a dog sticks its head out of a car window.

Online Black Hills

  • Member
  • Location: Rapid CIty, SD
  • Posts: 3659
  • Motorcycles: KTM 1290 Adventure R, KTM300xcw, 1290 SuperDuke
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2016, 10:25:19 AM »
I think I can skip out of work the afternoon of the 22nd. I can meet up with you somewhere along the way for lunch, supper, whatever...
the above are merely the ramblings of a hamfisted fuckwit who has broken too many helmets.

Online Vulcanbill

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: it's a secret, WV
  • Posts: 3822
  • no thank you ... still
  • Motorcycles: 2016 Kawasaki Versys 650 - ORANGE!!!!
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2016, 10:42:06 AM »
One of my scariest moments came from an encounter I had in Farmington, NM.  The youths approaching me (and talking trash) while I was pumping gas weren't there to say, "Hi, welcome to Farmington."


You're too cute.  You need to grow a scruffy beard and look more like grumpy cat.  People's general first impression of me (in the foofy nova area) is fear.  One of my favorite past times is to make eye contact with people while sitting in traffic just to see their reactions. 
If a person's primary concern is increasing freedom, they should prepare for a reduction in average lifespan.  ---  Misanthropist

If you say "Gullible" real slow, it sounds like "Orange"

Online R Doug

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Clemmons, NC
  • Posts: 6263
  • Where there is Danger, there is Doug
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2016, 12:03:37 PM »
I was in full Tron gear with lid on pumping gas.  They had no idea what I looked like.  But, they did notice one hand in my tankbag at all times.   That gave them pause.   8)
Only motorcycle riders know why a dog sticks its head out of a car window.

Online R Doug

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Clemmons, NC
  • Posts: 6263
  • Where there is Danger, there is Doug
Re: Wall to Chyenne?
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2016, 05:30:25 PM »
I think I can skip out of work the afternoon of the 22nd. I can meet up with you somewhere along the way for lunch, supper, whatever...

I'd love that.  Most likely, I'll not eat supper until Wall.  That be too far away for you (if not, let's do it!).  Lunch is an option too. 

Heres' my route for the day.  I don't know how long it will take me as I'm sure I'll be stopping a lot to take pictures.


https://goo.gl/maps/SbfGpszBcMM2



I could provide you with my SPOT tracker so you can see where I'm out along the way and we could swap mobile numbers.

« Last Edit: June 13, 2016, 12:21:30 PM by R Doug »
Only motorcycle riders know why a dog sticks its head out of a car window.