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Snowmobiles - And those that love them
« on: December 05, 2013, 02:50:08 PM »
I have an old SkiDoo that still is fun to ditch-bang. I would like a new 800 Renegade but don't have the extra kidney to sell.

What do you tear up the snow on?

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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2013, 04:22:54 PM »
My family in Northern Minnesota usually use a 4 wheeler in the snow.  They haven't broken out snowmobiles in years.

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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2013, 04:32:15 PM »
A pair of 1980 Yamaha Enticer 340's.  I started with one, then two:
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They ran so good our club expanded.  This shot is from a "boy's" weekend up at my parent's cabin doing some trail riding:
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That's seven, all between '78 and '81.  Our "club" now has 11 of the same model.  We tend to ride them pretty hard:
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and they seem to take it pretty well.  One of mine lost spark- I pulled the head to check it, and one of the bearings had failed (it was still running) so I rebuilt the top-end.  I just need to sort out the spark and we're back in business.  We always have our eyes open for them!   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Of course they're no modern 100MPH all-week ride machines, but the highest price anyone has paid was $600, so that's pretty good I think.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2013, 06:23:01 PM »
The old Yamerhamer Enticer 340s were one of the best by a long shot. If any of you guys are in the market my sons Artic Cats are for sale.  8)

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2013, 06:32:05 PM »
I rode my uncle's snowmobile when I was a kid.
Something like that:

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2013, 06:40:53 PM »
You do love your Yamaha's, don't ya Clay?  :pokestick:
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2013, 08:28:48 PM »
You do love your Yamaha's, don't ya Clay?  :pokestick:

The older the better.   :bigok:
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2013, 08:36:02 PM »
Gotta love those yammi's...

`bought an SRV from a buddy. Light-n-Lively. Good times!

Sold it before moving to Colorado as it's not a mountain sled.

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2013, 08:57:45 PM »
Gotta love those yammi's...

`bought an SRV from a buddy. Light-n-Lively. Good times!

Sold it before moving to Colorado as it's not a mountain sled.

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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2013, 09:20:57 PM »
Is that your MG in the background?


No. It's my brother's. He wanted to sell it but I said, I'll store it and do the mechanical work on it - in turn for storage and work I'll be able to drive it - you just decide what you want to do with it.

It's been in 100% storage since driving it from Huntington Beach CA to Rockford IL. It was carted out to CO (where both of us are) and it's still in storage.

My perspective is that it would be a car that would be well enjoyed many years from now.

Mechanically, it's in decent shape aside from blowing a quart of oil every 150 miles [likely the rear seal] (I purchased oil by the caseload on the CA > IL trip - the clutch hung in there _just enough_ to make it to IL). Body has some minor work needs though I do not recall there being much, if any, rust.

He thought about converting to metal bumpers and spoke/knockoff spinner wheels but I believe he has been talked out of the wheel conversion.

No telling when he'll start working on it.

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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2013, 09:28:33 PM »
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Nice pic!
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2013, 10:15:33 PM »
As kids we had a JD 300 that I used to get stuck all the time. Then we upgraded to a 1981 JD Spitfire. It was light and had absolutely no suspension, but was a nice upgrade. My friends in the farm country had Yamaha SRV, Enticers, one had a Roll-o-flex, SnoJet, and a Cat Puma.

My 670 went to the mountains. I blew my knee but had a lot of fun with the purple tank.
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The windshield had a spectacular death about 30 minutes after that photo...

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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2013, 11:01:58 PM »
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Nice pic!


Jim you'll probably know where that was. Great Western Trail along IL64 between Sycamore and Lilly Lake. (IL47)
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2013, 11:33:54 PM »
Jim you'll probably know where that was. Great Western Trail along IL64 between Sycamore and Lilly Lake. (IL47)


Some coincidence!  I might have sled'd that section of trail!!

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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2013, 07:12:38 AM »
So what's good and what's bad about these older sleds?  What should someone look for if they were to look for something CHEAP to fart around on?

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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2013, 07:22:22 AM »
The suspension is not as good as newer sleds, a lot are not liquid cooled, either fan or direct air, so you have to watch the temp gauge. They are easy to work on, compared to newer sleds.

On the positive side: cheap, inexpensive parts, simplicity, many are very light, and still have a lot of fun left in them. The vintage sled guys still have swap meets and races as well.

The purple one is a 96 and they start to have better suspension, slide valves, oil injection, liquid coiling, more power, creature comforts. They are selling for about 1400 to 1800 locally right now. Dad sold the 81 spitfire for 300 to a kid and he has it running up and down the road to the lake.

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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2013, 07:29:05 AM »
I see a lot of those Enticers that Clay is fond of show up locally all the time. 

Is there any brands that should be avoided?
Are these things chain or belt driven?
How do you know if the track is good?

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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2013, 04:02:18 PM »
Shoot me some CL links if you want.  Enticer 340.  The good:  SUPER reliable engine.  Air-cooled, but it doesn't get that hot.  It's not that big.  It's winter.  CHEAP!  None of us have paid more than $600, most $500.  That's the basic rate.  They were usually the woman's or kid's sled, so most of them don't have a ton of miles and are in pretty good shape.  They are light- two men can pick one up and move it.  It takes three men to even begin to move my dad's 700, and you're not going to lift it high.  Big parts support- you can get new track clips for .99 each.  I just rebuilt the top end on one of mine for about $150, and it ran with shot bearings for a long time.  They are quick because they are so light.  I got 68.9 MPH (GPS) out of mine on a smooth iced-over road.  50 in the snow no problem.  That's plenty fast for me.

The bad- they certainly lack decent suspension.  After our big day trail riding up north, all of us were sore the next day.  I can't think of much more.   :shrug: 

For a putz-around, have fun, enjoy the snow type of thing, they are awesome.  If I were to ever get into real trail riding I'd get something with better suspension.

Of course I'm biased.  I was not an "expert" on them until an expert ("G"- Geoff from STN) showed them to me a few years ago and told me to get one of those if I wanted what I described.  Since then I have been all through them and have been riding them.  Good machines.

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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2013, 03:30:39 PM »
G took me snowmobiling and I came home and bought this.

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We have the sleds prepped, just praying for snow and the time to ride.

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Re: Snowmobiles - And those that love them
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2013, 03:36:09 PM »
0.02: Midwestern snow site I've found decent through the years:
www.JohnDee.com

The snowfall graphic & trail cams are a common hit. John's Journals are often good too.

y'all may well already have it bookmarked.
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2013, 04:40:34 PM »
Wheres the white whale?
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2013, 06:03:31 PM »
I'm pretty sure this is the extent of my experience on the matter.

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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2013, 03:14:09 PM »

G took me snowmobiling and I came home and bought this.

Very nice sled, is it a mountain or crossover?

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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2013, 11:29:25 AM »
It is a cross over.  The track is a 129.  Kinda the best of both worlds.  handles well and can still boondock.

Ed the white whale and trailer are not in the pic.  Just so G could pull the 30 foot trailer with 5 of 6 sleds in int 90+ mph, he did a bunch of work to it so that it is over 650 hp and has a 1000+ foot pounds of torque.   
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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2014, 06:14:19 PM »
Some playing around with various GoPro mounts yesterday:
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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2014, 06:50:19 PM »
I don't think this was answered (or I fail at reading)...

Are these things chain or belt driven?


Both. Sometimes gear driven too.

The PTO (power take off) end / crankshaft end of the motor typically has a big V-belt. The belt system is a CVT clutch/transmission system. The belt wears (and can break, unexpectedly, such that a spare belt is typically carried onboard to be replaced trailside w/o much for tools (if any)) but you can often go several seasons on the same belt.

This photo is from my Yamaha SRV. The motor and the belt/CVT assembly. The "big pulley" on the right has a driveshaft extending to the right side of the snowmobile to where the chaincase / disc brake assembly is.

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In the bottom of this photo you can see the spare belt.

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From the belt / transmission system there is a "chaincase" the bottom end of the chaincase is the drive for the sled's main belt.

This is the best chaincase photo I can find of mine. Just left of the freshly painted, flat black muffler is the clear aluminum chain case. It has a black fill plug for oil and at the left of the chaincase is the disc for the brake system. The chaincase has two pulleys and a chain tensioner. The lower pulley connects with the main track to move the sled. I believe the gearing is 1:1 (nothing fancy aside from relocating power from the up-top motor to the down-low track).
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This image shows a connection between the belt's driven pulley, the intermediate driveshaft going into the chaincase, and how the sled's main track connects with the lower end of the chaincase. In this image, the disc brake is different than my SRV - the disc is on the main track's drive. This is a bit safer as if my chain would break I'd have no brakes.

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How do you know if the track is good?


I'm no expert on this but I'd tip the sled onto its side and give the track a visual inspection. Does the rubber look to be rotting, sun-UV aged (left outside, uncovered, for its life???). Are there strips that have pulled away / delamination issues to the rubber. If the sled has had studs installed, have any studs "pulled out" of the track?

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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2014, 08:05:57 PM »
Thanks Jim. Lots of good info there.

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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2014, 07:52:32 AM »
I no longer live where a snowmobile makes any sense, but used to bomb around on an old ski-doo, a sno king, and some odl bucket that looked similar to a 60's ski doo.

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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2014, 12:28:56 PM »
Some playing around with various GoPro mounts yesterday:

Some of those are freaky!

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« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2014, 01:17:27 PM »
Some playing around with various GoPro mounts yesterday:

Some of those are freaky!

Whats with the stick?
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« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2014, 01:18:53 PM »
-13 and wind chills of -45 today. the sled will be staying on the trailer.
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« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2014, 01:36:02 PM »
-13 and wind chills of -45 today. the sled will be staying on the trailer.

What   :o   No jetting a bit fatter for a short trip to enjoy the unusual power boost from the dense air!!

(but then, changing jets outside in these temps would likely result in a c-clip into the snow) Hmmm - gasoline evaporating on bare skin - that'd be fun.
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« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2014, 03:04:16 PM »
-13 and wind chills of -45 today. the sled will be staying on the trailer.

What   :o   No jetting a bit fatter for a short trip to enjoy the unusual power boost from the dense air!!

(but then, changing jets outside in these temps would likely result in a c-clip into the snow) Hmmm - gasoline evaporating on bare skin - that'd be fun.


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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2014, 10:10:30 PM »
Some playing around with various GoPro mounts yesterday:

Some of those are freaky!

Whats with the stick?

On the front of the sled?  That's the mount for the rear-facing camera. 
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« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2014, 08:42:40 AM »
Some playing around with various GoPro mounts yesterday:

Some of those are freaky!

Whats with the stick?

On the front of the sled?  That's the mount for the rear-facing camera. 

That would be good for the bikini shots when it is warm in the spring...

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« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2014, 08:45:06 AM »
I thought that's what the helmet mounted one was for.  That said, I've already seen enough shots of Clay in his swim suit.  I don't need to see him jiggling around on a snowmobile.   ;D

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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2014, 09:06:59 AM »
Some playing around with various GoPro mounts yesterday:

Some of those are freaky!

Whats with the stick?

On the front of the sled?  That's the mount for the rear-facing camera. 

That would be good for the bikini shots when it is warm in the spring...

No one wants to see me in a bikini. 
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« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2014, 05:20:57 PM »
Some playing around with various GoPro mounts yesterday:

Some of those are freaky!

Whats with the stick?

On the front of the sled?  That's the mount for the rear-facing camera. 

That would be good for the bikini shots when it is warm in the spring...

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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2014, 10:27:40 AM »
Yep- these are old machines.  Nothing fancy to see but a bunch of dudes having fun with the vintage rides.  We are heading to my folk's cabin in a few weeks to do it again and I put this together last night after looking at some of the footage I shot last year:
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Re: Snowmobiles - And those that love them
« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2014, 07:33:14 PM »
Great vid.

G and me are headed to the U.P. this weekend.  We will put on about 400 miles.  I will get some picks.  I just finished dialing in the suspension on my sled.  I am ready to go.  We were up around Houghton Lake two weekends ago.

I have been bombing around the farm.  There is nothing like pulling the ton on snow and catching air as you crest the hills in the field.
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Re: Snowmobiles - And those that love them
« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2014, 07:39:10 PM »
I showed that in class while the kids were eating lunch.  I love the way the chunk of ice in the dash free-falls along with him.

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Re: Snowmobiles - And those that love them
« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2014, 07:45:49 PM »
Here is a vid of me blasting through the field.  Every time you see the camera at the sky, I am jumping over a snow drift.  Speeds in excess of 80 mph.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=688301407876837&l=3631238378585820858
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Re: Snowmobiles - And those that love them
« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2014, 07:52:27 PM »
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