Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Author Topic: What did you do today Non moto  (Read 675035 times)

0 Members and 14 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline mr.awesome

  • Member
  • Location: Metamora, MI
  • Posts: 1553
  • Motorcycles: 04 Triumph Sprint ST, 03 Kawazuki KLX400SR-SM, 99 Yamaha TW200
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6950 on: July 19, 2020, 04:28:53 PM »
Assembly required and we need to build a base for it to sit on. That's what son-in-laws are for, right  ;)

Wish I had one of those. Building a new chicken coop and run. Leveled out and squared the framework that it will sit on. Had a good hour of rain late this morning. Working after that I had mud caking on the bottom of my shoes the rest of the time. Replacing the shed/coop and run in the background. Building an all in one with common gable roof.

Online CLAY

  • Super Moderator
  • Member
  • Location: Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts: 6916
  • Help me Mr. Wizard!!!
  • Motorcycles: '03 Bandit 1200S, '97 XR650L, '79 XS650 Tracker, '75 XS650 Standard
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6951 on: July 19, 2020, 09:56:34 PM »

Any ideas of prefab soltions? I'm looking a 1" black pipe, cut in half and painted, then hose clamped around the PVC. Got the pipe cut in ~half length-wise and now need to cut each section to length. Then it's just hose clamping the 0.75/0.25 sections around the installed pipe.

I think that's a good idea.  In the past I have just threaded the wire through a pipe as it entered the building.
"Most accidents happen when the meek meet the douchebags."  -Viffergyrl
"The wider the road, the worse the food." -Coho
Let's do some science.

Online stevent

  • Member
  • Location: Buckley
  • Posts: 1829
  • Motorcycles: 2010 K1300GT
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6952 on: July 22, 2020, 05:25:55 PM »
Some Steam Engineer humor, we have a condensate return tank at work, water from it is pumped into the Deaerator, then pumped into the boilers and out again as steam, where it's used and the remainder comes back to the return tank as condensate, it has a make-up valve that adds treated water to make up for losses, all very tidy.

Lately the modulating motor operating the make-up valve has been sticking so I ordered a new one, in the mean time the tank overflows occasionally, wasting water. One of my co-workers decided to have a high level alarm activated so we could manually cycle the valve. All well and good but the alarm comes back a "9.50 building alarm"

Shortly after he had it activated he writes in the log book that he kept getting some ghost alarm saying.. you guessed it "9.50 building alarm" He went on to say he checked the plant out and couldn't find anything, and by the way the condensate tank was high...

We just about fell over laughing when we saw that one.....  :rolleyes: :facepalm:

I guess you had to be there.  :rolf: :rolf: 
"Sure I get the best parking spots, but who could love a man with a wooden leg and a face like a hens arse?"

Offline Baxter

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Mequon, WI.
  • Posts: 807
  • I broke the internet!
  • Motorcycles: Ninjette Noire
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6953 on: July 26, 2020, 02:35:51 PM »
I just finished the first of two coats of paint in our basement bathroom.  I guess it'll be two hours until I can apply the second coat.

We bought this place last summer. It had been on the market for over a year and was at a substantial discount to similar nearby properties.  Nothing was wrong that some paint and TLC couldn't cure--it was well cared for.  But some of the paint choices were best described as unique.  The previous owner had painted this bathroom neon lime green. We've chosen a light blueish gray that shouldn't be jarring when the lights are turned on.

I dunno, maybe HGTV has buyers thinking that they're entitled to have a seller redecorate according to current trends. But I always had the impression when my family moved as a kid that any redecorating was the buyers' concern--the seller just had to be responsible for everything working.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.  --Douglas Adams

Online CLAY

  • Super Moderator
  • Member
  • Location: Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts: 6916
  • Help me Mr. Wizard!!!
  • Motorcycles: '03 Bandit 1200S, '97 XR650L, '79 XS650 Tracker, '75 XS650 Standard
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6954 on: July 26, 2020, 07:49:04 PM »
Siding the house.  We saved up and started replacing windows and new siding around the house- but it's time to just finish the siding and work on replacing the windows later.  The worst ones are done.
"Most accidents happen when the meek meet the douchebags."  -Viffergyrl
"The wider the road, the worse the food." -Coho
Let's do some science.

Online thatguy

  • Member
  • Location: hills
  • Posts: 1111
  • Motorcycles: a few
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6955 on: July 26, 2020, 10:15:24 PM »
Did some laundry a day early.
sometimes WTF is the appropriate answer

Offline Bounce

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: USA
  • Posts: 3827
    • FJR-Tips
  • Motorcycles: Yes
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6956 on: July 27, 2020, 09:47:30 AM »
My cousin came over yesterday. We played acoustic guitars and talked music theory, music history, and randomized other stuff.

Loads of fun. I learned a lot.

Offline Leanintree

  • Member
  • Location: Loveland CO
  • Posts: 720
  • Yay Motorcycles!
  • Motorcycles: yes
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6957 on: July 27, 2020, 09:11:01 PM »
Replaced all the rollers on my garage door. One busted roller begat a full set replacement, nylon for steel. Coincidentally, much quieter now!
LT
Great googly-moogly!

Online squeezer

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: OC, CA
  • Posts: 2539
  • squirrelly geezer
  • Motorcycles: 16 Tiger Xr(x)
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6958 on: July 27, 2020, 10:52:32 PM »
Replaced all the rollers on my garage door. One busted roller begat a full set replacement, nylon for steel. Coincidentally, much quieter now!
LT

Hmmm...   Something for the list. I like that idea.
A man with no sig

Offline minimac

  • Member
  • Location: C.N.Y., Central Fl.
  • Posts: 315
  • Practicing Neanderthal, Nuclear Nomad
  • Motorcycles: GL1500A, Silverwing, ̶M̶a̶j̶e̶s̶t̶y̶, Morphous
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6959 on: July 28, 2020, 07:59:22 AM »
Staining the concrete around the pool. Mrs.Mini picked out the color, I hope I like it when it dries.
old enough to know better

Offline Bounce

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: USA
  • Posts: 3827
    • FJR-Tips
  • Motorcycles: Yes
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6960 on: July 28, 2020, 09:13:59 AM »
Staining the concrete around the pool. Mrs.Mini picked out the color, I hope I like it when it dries.

What'd you use? I need to do my back patio.

Offline Leanintree

  • Member
  • Location: Loveland CO
  • Posts: 720
  • Yay Motorcycles!
  • Motorcycles: yes
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6961 on: July 29, 2020, 07:39:07 AM »
Replaced all the rollers on my garage door. One busted roller begat a full set replacement, nylon for steel. Coincidentally, much quieter now!
LT

Hmmm...   Something for the list. I like that idea.

A pair of new steel rollers (online) was $25... Nylon units (with bearings) were $16 for a set of 10 and delivered next day. No brainer.

Just for giggles, I ran the db meter app on my phone, busted roller and steel all around- 67.5db. New nylon rollers after 20 min of work, 62db. Not scientific, but I concur it feels a lot quieter...
 LT
Great googly-moogly!

Offline Baxter

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Mequon, WI.
  • Posts: 807
  • I broke the internet!
  • Motorcycles: Ninjette Noire
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6962 on: July 30, 2020, 12:26:35 PM »
The squeaky wheel doesn't get the grease--it gets terminated.

I've repaired the kitchen faucet twice since moving in last year.  It failed again.  You have failed me for the last time, faucet!

I bought a new faucet at the big box store and installed it earlier today.  Per usual, removing the old faucet took more time and effort than installing the new.

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.  --Douglas Adams

Online Black Hills

  • Member
  • Location: Rapid CIty, SD
  • Posts: 3546
  • Motorcycles: KTM 1290 Adventure R, KTM300xcw, 1290 SuperDuke
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6963 on: July 30, 2020, 01:19:22 PM »
killed thistles..
the above are merely the ramblings of a hamfisted fuckwit who has broken too many helmets.

Online Papa Lazarou

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Lloegr
  • Posts: 7557
  • For further information, please re-read.
  • Motorcycles: Moto Guzzi Griso 1200SE Diablo Rosso
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6964 on: July 30, 2020, 02:26:36 PM »
Today, I retired from 50 years of working for mental health services.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter

Online Skee

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: SE PA
  • Posts: 2271
  • Motorcycles: 2019 Versys
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6965 on: July 30, 2020, 03:23:11 PM »
Today, I retired from 50 years of working for mental health services.

Let me be the first...

Congratulations

I retired - after working part time for 5 years - on June 30th. 

I’m very happy to say I completely wasted away the past 30 days.   Never been better
"The mistake you cannot make is to judge the past through the eyes of the present.  Judge the past on its own terms."  
João Zilhão on the Assimilation Model of Human Origin

"The fishermen know that the sea is dangerous and the storm terrible, but they have never found these dangers sufficient reason for remaining ashore."   Vincent van Gogh

Online Black Hills

  • Member
  • Location: Rapid CIty, SD
  • Posts: 3546
  • Motorcycles: KTM 1290 Adventure R, KTM300xcw, 1290 SuperDuke
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6966 on: July 30, 2020, 03:40:10 PM »
Today, I retired from 50 years of working for mental health services.

congrats! and thanks for what you did all those years...
the above are merely the ramblings of a hamfisted fuckwit who has broken too many helmets.

Online viffergyrl

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: 1 hour north of La-La Land
  • Posts: 3179
  • Hey! Wait for me.....
  • Motorcycles: 2007 Suzuki SV650
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6967 on: July 30, 2020, 04:16:06 PM »
Today, I retired from 50 years of working for mental health services.

Congratulations and thank goodness....
The world is a mess. It has always been a mess. Our job is to straighten out our own lives.  Joseph Campbell

Online Papa Lazarou

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Lloegr
  • Posts: 7557
  • For further information, please re-read.
  • Motorcycles: Moto Guzzi Griso 1200SE Diablo Rosso
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6968 on: July 30, 2020, 05:57:28 PM »
thanksandthatsallfolks
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter

Online jadziadax8

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Too Close to Ed for Comfort
  • Posts: 2301
  • Yeah it's a girl's bike. THIS girl's bike.
  • Motorcycles: 2007 Kawasaki Ninja 650r
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6969 on: July 30, 2020, 07:58:05 PM »
Congratulations, Papa!
She's got a worm in 'er belly? That's disgusting! That's interesting, but very disgusting. 

My Other Hobby

Offline minimac

  • Member
  • Location: C.N.Y., Central Fl.
  • Posts: 315
  • Practicing Neanderthal, Nuclear Nomad
  • Motorcycles: GL1500A, Silverwing, ̶M̶a̶j̶e̶s̶t̶y̶, Morphous
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6970 on: July 31, 2020, 07:19:57 AM »

What'd you use? I need to do my back patio.

The label says "H&C Exterior Cool Feel. Acrylic solid color High Build Deck and Walkway Coating".  It's for use on patios, walkways, pool decks, concrete surfaces. She got it Sherwin-Williams store. It's pricey, but we got a 30% off sale.
 It covered great, went on easy, and looks great. It also somehow keeps the pool apron a whole lot cooler than the plain concrete was.
 So today she got four more gallons so I can do the patio tomorrow.
old enough to know better

Offline Baxter

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Mequon, WI.
  • Posts: 807
  • I broke the internet!
  • Motorcycles: Ninjette Noire
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6971 on: July 31, 2020, 09:42:20 AM »
Today, I retired from 50 years of working for mental health services.

Congrats!  You'll enjoy it!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.  --Douglas Adams

Offline Baxter

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Mequon, WI.
  • Posts: 807
  • I broke the internet!
  • Motorcycles: Ninjette Noire
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6972 on: July 31, 2020, 09:43:40 AM »

I retired - after working part time for 5 years - on June 30th. 

I’m very happy to say I completely wasted away the past 30 days.   Never been better

That's the way to do it, congrats to you, too!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.  --Douglas Adams

Online Papa Lazarou

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Lloegr
  • Posts: 7557
  • For further information, please re-read.
  • Motorcycles: Moto Guzzi Griso 1200SE Diablo Rosso
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6973 on: July 31, 2020, 02:44:46 PM »
Can I have dog now please?
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter

Offline mr.awesome

  • Member
  • Location: Metamora, MI
  • Posts: 1553
  • Motorcycles: 04 Triumph Sprint ST, 03 Kawazuki KLX400SR-SM, 99 Yamaha TW200
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6974 on: August 02, 2020, 08:39:57 AM »
Got the front and rear walls up on the chicken coop.

Online Eh2zed

  • Member
  • Location: East of Toronto
  • Posts: 433
  • ATW V2.0
  • Motorcycles: 2008 Honda CBF1000A and 2004 BMW R1100S
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6975 on: August 02, 2020, 04:06:00 PM »
Installed a f@$#%£@$ing ceiling fan. I’ve done about 30 of the dammed things and it’s always been a royal pita. The transmitters are too big and squeezing everything in under the cover is tough. Today the fine fellow who manufactured the thing decided to make the safety cable slip noose a non slip version. Thanks for that JERK!
FYI ceiling fans don’t bounce well on hardwood floors.
My GPS just told me to turn left, then turn left, then turn left, then turn left.
So if I go too far left do I end up right?

Online thatguy

  • Member
  • Location: hills
  • Posts: 1111
  • Motorcycles: a few
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6976 on: August 02, 2020, 04:14:08 PM »
Looked at what me be my home for the next 12 months. I despise moving.
sometimes WTF is the appropriate answer

Offline Leanintree

  • Member
  • Location: Loveland CO
  • Posts: 720
  • Yay Motorcycles!
  • Motorcycles: yes
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6977 on: August 03, 2020, 08:15:38 AM »
Mildly moto related, but not to the bikes.

New tires for the wifes Xterra... love new tires, but shop swore that one valve stem was bent so they replaced it and the low tire sensor. Which necessitated a flash from their in house flasher thingy for reprogram. Which of course didn't work. I researched it, reset all tires 3psi differently, and did the 'paper clip trick' that involves, well... cramming a paper clip into a connector under the dash and grounding it out 6 times in 10 seconds. But it works. puts the sensors in re-learn mode, they do their thing after a quick run around the block. top off tires, and away she goes.

Then I did tie rods on my old pickup. Who knew that the creaks I've been hearing were steering, not suspension? tightened it up somewhat, may dig in farther if it feels necessary.

LT
Great googly-moogly!

Offline Bounce

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: USA
  • Posts: 3827
    • FJR-Tips
  • Motorcycles: Yes
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6978 on: August 03, 2020, 09:19:57 AM »
Installed a f@$#%£@$ing ceiling fan. I’ve done about 30 of the dammed things and it’s always been a royal pita. The transmitters are too big and squeezing everything in under the cover is tough. Today the fine fellow who manufactured the thing decided to make the safety cable slip noose a non slip version. Thanks for that JERK!
FYI ceiling fans don’t bounce well on hardwood floors.

Same here (except for the bounce). I have one that needs swapping but will probably move the one in the living room (vaulted, 12' ceiling) there as it's lighter duty cycle. Put the new one in the LR.  Ugh.  Used to be an electrician's helper and the only things worse than ceiling fans (residential) were those complex chandeliers with all the individual "crystals" that had to have their little wires attached individually and then the whole thing hung while tottering on an old company wooden ladder. That and rough-ins in the winter and fixture jobs in the summer.

Online viffergyrl

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: 1 hour north of La-La Land
  • Posts: 3179
  • Hey! Wait for me.....
  • Motorcycles: 2007 Suzuki SV650
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6979 on: August 03, 2020, 09:21:50 AM »
M.Brane (with assistance from the neighbor, the shop manual, and the Acurazine forum) kindly replaced the dampers in the struts of the sport-touring Acura.  :o

That was a 6-hour job and we have access to a lift, power tools, and a spring compressor. Can't imagine how much that would have cost at the stealer. You have to take the rear seat out to replace the rear struts.

But boy howdy she is not wallowing like a fat pig now. All four were spent....
The world is a mess. It has always been a mess. Our job is to straighten out our own lives.  Joseph Campbell

Online thatguy

  • Member
  • Location: hills
  • Posts: 1111
  • Motorcycles: a few
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6980 on: August 03, 2020, 03:29:00 PM »
Changed oil/filter in the WRX. Monday is shopping day too.
sometimes WTF is the appropriate answer

Offline Baxter

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Mequon, WI.
  • Posts: 807
  • I broke the internet!
  • Motorcycles: Ninjette Noire
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6981 on: August 04, 2020, 01:32:14 PM »
I just finished the first coat of paint in a spare bedroom.  The PO had painted it an inoffensive soft mellow butter color, but the walls were a bit banged up from furniture, there were numerous holes from pictures (they must have changed the room around a few times), and we evidently have the third set of window treatments judging from all the various screw holes near the windows.  So it was time for a change.  We picked a soft blue with a hint of grey for a pleasant sleepytime feeling.

I'll be able to start the second coat in about 1 1/2 hours.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.  --Douglas Adams

Online Papa Lazarou

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Lloegr
  • Posts: 7557
  • For further information, please re-read.
  • Motorcycles: Moto Guzzi Griso 1200SE Diablo Rosso
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6982 on: August 04, 2020, 02:15:02 PM »
Today, I called "Tuesday" "Monday".
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter

Online viffergyrl

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: 1 hour north of La-La Land
  • Posts: 3179
  • Hey! Wait for me.....
  • Motorcycles: 2007 Suzuki SV650
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6983 on: August 04, 2020, 03:34:10 PM »
Today, I called "Tuesday" "Monday".

Retirement is like that.
The world is a mess. It has always been a mess. Our job is to straighten out our own lives.  Joseph Campbell

Online Eh2zed

  • Member
  • Location: East of Toronto
  • Posts: 433
  • ATW V2.0
  • Motorcycles: 2008 Honda CBF1000A and 2004 BMW R1100S
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6984 on: August 04, 2020, 04:05:32 PM »
I also like the part where I don’t bother reading the instructions since I’ve installed a ton of these things and then I sit down for a coffee and look at the stupid book only to discover that the supply line is supposed to be 12 gauge wire. Houses are wired with 14 gauge normally except for specialty outlets.
I’m not rewiring the fan supply so I’m happy the load is just a few LED’s.
My GPS just told me to turn left, then turn left, then turn left, then turn left.
So if I go too far left do I end up right?

Online Eh2zed

  • Member
  • Location: East of Toronto
  • Posts: 433
  • ATW V2.0
  • Motorcycles: 2008 Honda CBF1000A and 2004 BMW R1100S
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6985 on: August 04, 2020, 04:14:02 PM »
Then I replaced 2 cheap LED pot lights because the darn things take over 5 seconds to come on. At 186,000 miles per second my switch must be 930,000 miles from the fixtures.
My GPS just told me to turn left, then turn left, then turn left, then turn left.
So if I go too far left do I end up right?

Online Eh2zed

  • Member
  • Location: East of Toronto
  • Posts: 433
  • ATW V2.0
  • Motorcycles: 2008 Honda CBF1000A and 2004 BMW R1100S
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6986 on: August 04, 2020, 04:15:17 PM »
Then I painted the guest bedroom.(The one nobody uses because nobody likes me anymore)
My GPS just told me to turn left, then turn left, then turn left, then turn left.
So if I go too far left do I end up right?

Online Eh2zed

  • Member
  • Location: East of Toronto
  • Posts: 433
  • ATW V2.0
  • Motorcycles: 2008 Honda CBF1000A and 2004 BMW R1100S
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6987 on: August 04, 2020, 04:17:35 PM »
Tomorrow I’m going to work on the toy hauler (the one we can’t take to any STO meets and also the one we likely won’t take to Florida next winter)
My GPS just told me to turn left, then turn left, then turn left, then turn left.
So if I go too far left do I end up right?

Offline Baxter

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Mequon, WI.
  • Posts: 807
  • I broke the internet!
  • Motorcycles: Ninjette Noire
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6988 on: August 04, 2020, 08:04:08 PM »
Eh2zed, you've been busy!   :P
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.  --Douglas Adams

Offline Bounce

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: USA
  • Posts: 3827
    • FJR-Tips
  • Motorcycles: Yes
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6989 on: August 05, 2020, 08:04:40 AM »
I also like the part where I don’t bother reading the instructions since I’ve installed a ton of these things and then I sit down for a coffee and look at the stupid book only to discover that the supply line is supposed to be 12 gauge wire. Houses are wired with 14 gauge normally except for specialty outlets.
I’m not rewiring the fan supply so I’m happy the load is just a few LED’s.

WTF? I have done residential electric for years (was a helper for a while and then years of DIY projects for me and others that don't require a license to do). 12 ga copper for 120v AC is code in the 2 states I've lived in (for a while in the very late 70s there was also aluminum wire but you have to up-spec it 1 or 2 sizes because it has more resistance than copper). 14 ga would be constrained to low voltage (like the 24v door bell transformer).

(240v copper is 10 ga brw)

Online jadziadax8

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Too Close to Ed for Comfort
  • Posts: 2301
  • Yeah it's a girl's bike. THIS girl's bike.
  • Motorcycles: 2007 Kawasaki Ninja 650r
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6990 on: August 05, 2020, 08:13:51 AM »
Then I replaced 2 cheap LED pot lights because the darn things take over 5 seconds to come on. At 186,000 miles per second my switch must be 930,000 miles from the fixtures.

:lol:

Not quite clear on the concept, methinks.  :razz:
She's got a worm in 'er belly? That's disgusting! That's interesting, but very disgusting. 

My Other Hobby

Online Skee

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: SE PA
  • Posts: 2271
  • Motorcycles: 2019 Versys
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6991 on: August 05, 2020, 10:28:59 AM »
Then I replaced 2 cheap LED pot lights because the darn things take over 5 seconds to come on. At 186,000 miles per second my switch must be 930,000 miles from the fixtures.

:lol:

Not quite clear on the concept, methinks.  :razz:

Yeah, it appears Eh2zed mistakenly used the speed of light in a vacuum to calculate the distance to his switch, and everyone knows it is faster in the rest of the world than here in USA because they measure it in kilometers.    :facepalm:
"The mistake you cannot make is to judge the past through the eyes of the present.  Judge the past on its own terms."  
João Zilhão on the Assimilation Model of Human Origin

"The fishermen know that the sea is dangerous and the storm terrible, but they have never found these dangers sufficient reason for remaining ashore."   Vincent van Gogh

Online Eh2zed

  • Member
  • Location: East of Toronto
  • Posts: 433
  • ATW V2.0
  • Motorcycles: 2008 Honda CBF1000A and 2004 BMW R1100S
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6992 on: August 06, 2020, 07:51:39 PM »
WTF? I have done residential electric for years (was a helper for a while and then years of DIY projects for me and others that don't require a license to do). 12 ga copper for 120v AC is code in the 2 states I've lived in (for a while in the very late 70s there was also aluminum wire but you have to up-spec it 1 or 2 sizes because it has more resistance than copper). 14 ga would be constrained to low voltage (like the 24v door bell transformer).

(240v copper is 10 ga brw)

Standard 15amp circuits require 14 ga.
20amp needs 12 ga
Doorbells require leftover string from tin can telephones
And 240v wire size depends on the amp load (ovens, water heaters, clothes dryers,...) 10ga is inadequate in many applications.
My GPS just told me to turn left, then turn left, then turn left, then turn left.
So if I go too far left do I end up right?

Offline Bounce

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: USA
  • Posts: 3827
    • FJR-Tips
  • Motorcycles: Yes
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6993 on: August 07, 2020, 11:57:11 AM »
WTF? I have done residential electric for years (was a helper for a while and then years of DIY projects for me and others that don't require a license to do). 12 ga copper for 120v AC is code in the 2 states I've lived in (for a while in the very late 70s there was also aluminum wire but you have to up-spec it 1 or 2 sizes because it has more resistance than copper). 14 ga would be constrained to low voltage (like the 24v door bell transformer).

(240v copper is 10 ga brw)

Standard 15amp circuits require 14 ga.
20amp needs 12 ga
Doorbells require leftover string from tin can telephones
And 240v wire size depends on the amp load (ovens, water heaters, clothes dryers,...) 10ga is inadequate in many applications.

And since ever house we ever wired was 20 amp for 120, that would make sense. Why would you wire a house and artificially limit it when all the 120 could be either?

Online Eh2zed

  • Member
  • Location: East of Toronto
  • Posts: 433
  • ATW V2.0
  • Motorcycles: 2008 Honda CBF1000A and 2004 BMW R1100S
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6994 on: August 07, 2020, 03:55:25 PM »
Why would anybody wire a house with 14ga if the code says that’s the minimum?

You funny.😎😎

Answer: $$$$$$$$$$$

Show me any builder, aircraft manufacturer, auto manufacturer who decides to use anything other than the cheapest part they can get away with.
Of course there’s always the option of buying a Rolls Royce but that’s why there’s a Walmart on every corner. People want cheap.
My GPS just told me to turn left, then turn left, then turn left, then turn left.
So if I go too far left do I end up right?

Online Eh2zed

  • Member
  • Location: East of Toronto
  • Posts: 433
  • ATW V2.0
  • Motorcycles: 2008 Honda CBF1000A and 2004 BMW R1100S
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6995 on: August 07, 2020, 04:02:44 PM »
Also I wired my own house and split the loads all over so every room is on more than 1 circuit. And since any excess load would blow the breaker I didn’t have to worry about burning up any wiring. My kitchen outlets are all 12ga. Any outlets that could potentially get a heavier load are dedicated (for example I considered the possibility that I would need an electric heater in the basement so there’s a dedicated outlet for that.)
And then there’s another reason...over the years I collected hundreds of feet of leftover 14ga wire in lengths longer than about 10 feet. Free wire rocks!
My GPS just told me to turn left, then turn left, then turn left, then turn left.
So if I go too far left do I end up right?

Online Black Hills

  • Member
  • Location: Rapid CIty, SD
  • Posts: 3546
  • Motorcycles: KTM 1290 Adventure R, KTM300xcw, 1290 SuperDuke
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6996 on: August 07, 2020, 04:37:22 PM »
all the light circuits in my house are 15a circuits with #14, outlets are all 20a circuits with #12. with LED lights being the future there isn;t really much need for anything more.
the above are merely the ramblings of a hamfisted fuckwit who has broken too many helmets.

Offline Bounce

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: USA
  • Posts: 3827
    • FJR-Tips
  • Motorcycles: Yes
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6997 on: August 08, 2020, 08:00:39 AM »
Since a builder doesn't know who (and how) the house will be used after sale, wiring it within code and for reasonable eventualities would sure seem to indicate 12.

I can honestly say that I always ran 12 Romex anywhere (for 120v) in a residential built other than for low voltage lights (with relays) and for the bell transformer. Everything on 120 was 12.  Codes are different everywhere. I hear that in CA residential builds often call for commercial style approaches (conduit and wire pulling) but it would sure drive up the cost of houses if so. For 2 years, our town called for the 120 outlets to be installed ground-up (so if a plug came loose and something fell across the tines, it would contact the ground). I was flummoxed as to why and had to ask. After 2 years, they went back to the way the rest of the state does. Everything plugs in upside down (ugh) which often means cords run "up" out of the outlet (ugh part 2). As I get bored, I've flipped them over to the normal way but there are a few behind furniture that are still upside down.

Again, codes are codes but aren't always universally in lock step.

2 states
many many houses
all 120 in 12.

Online PatM

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: Canada eh!
  • Posts: 1773
  • Motorcycles: 2016 BMW R1200RT
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6998 on: August 08, 2020, 10:35:18 AM »
Code here is #14 15A for residential and #12 for commercial and industrial except they use 15A breakers for safety.
When installing equipment in commercial buildings we would have an electrician come in to replace the sockets and breakers for 20A when we needed them.
Ride safe!

Offline Bounce

  • Contributor
  • Member
  • Location: USA
  • Posts: 3827
    • FJR-Tips
  • Motorcycles: Yes
Re: What did you do today Non moto
« Reply #6999 on: Yesterday at 08:01:04 AM »
Code here is #14 15A for residential and #12 for commercial and industrial except they use 15A breakers for safety.
When installing equipment in commercial buildings we would have an electrician come in to replace the sockets and breakers for 20A when we needed them.

Without rewiring the runs to 12ga?

No wonder you called an electrician (which is what we were - and makes my case for me... thanks). Better to buy once, cry once and be done with it. Cheaper than paying to have someone come back and pull new runs after original construction.