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Dear Moto Manufacturers -- I would REALLY like . . . .
« on: November 15, 2013, 08:58:53 AM »
What feature (or capability) is missing form your favorite bike?

Me, I'd LOVE day night mirrors, like those found on cars and light trucks since at least the 1950s . . . . . . .

You?
« Last Edit: November 15, 2013, 01:07:08 PM by bomber »
We had two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.

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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2013, 09:01:35 AM »
I wouldn't mind lighted switch gear. 

Oh and a high beam indicator lamp that wasn't brighter than the high beams themselves.

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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2013, 09:05:08 AM »
Boy, I dunno. My Viffer is pretty much perfect for me. That's probably one reason I haven't bothered upgrading to another bike.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2013, 09:06:18 AM »
Color display with integrated GPS like the new MV Agusta.


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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2013, 09:17:43 AM »
Oh and a high beam indicator lamp that wasn't brighter than the high beams themselves.

Dimable instrument panel lights is on my list too, but here's a hack for this particular problem.

Automotive window tint.

I was damn near blinded the first time I rode my Tiger at night . . . . little circles of the darkest window tint I could find cut down the glare to a dull roar . . . . .

It only lasts for a year and a helf or so, but it's cheap . . . . .I'm still using the small roll I bought 5 years ago.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2013, 09:37:03 AM by bomber »
We had two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2013, 09:20:14 AM »
Standard driving lights.

Hydraulic lifters.

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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2013, 09:24:02 AM »

Dimable instrument panel lights is on my list too, but here's a hack for this particular problem.

Automotive window tint.

I was damn near blinded the first time I rode my Tiger at night . . . . little circles of the darkest window tint I could find cut down the glare to a dull road . . . . .

It only lasts for a year and a helf or so, but it's cheap . . . . .I'm still using the small roll I bought 5 years ago.

Probably looks a lot better than a piece of electrical tape too.

My issue with the switches is that there are getting to be some many of them now that the ones you don't use all the time are all but useless at night.

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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2013, 09:37:41 AM »
Standard driving lights.

Hydraulic lifters.

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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2013, 09:40:15 AM »
Standard driving lights.

Hydraulic lifters.

Buy a Harley?

There are upsides and downsides to everything...

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2013, 09:42:06 AM »
How about some factory engineered places to mount things, like a GPS for example.

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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2013, 09:45:13 AM »
Accessory wiring ports and ABS.  It seems to me ABS should be more prevalent within motorcyles.

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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2013, 09:47:30 AM »
Dimable dash lights:  my Monster has a dimable lcd dash.  It's nice...but needs to dim even more.  I agree - stop blinding me at night!

Fully customizable lcd dash's with skins:  seriously:  just start putting up a 4x6 dash that a flat, touch screen lcd.  Let me PICK what I want to see.  Highway cruise?  How about a HUGE MPH number and smaller temp, fuel range, etc. skin.  Or if I'm on the track:  HUGE RPM and Coolant Temps...It's not like I give a rats poop about RPMs when I'm droning along at 65 on the freeway...

REAL Throttle by wire settings:  Hey, just because YOU think a rain mode is needed and that neutering my bike means something doesn't mean it does.  What I want is to control the aggressiveness of the throttle - not the powerband, not amount of throttle.  In the rain I want simply a soft delivery in the first 75% of the throttle...but full power if I need it.  I want to tailor that throttle myself.  I don't want to mess with fueling or anything like that - I do want to control the way the throttle works.

Cruise Control:  with throttle by wire here, please just make Cruise a standard feature. 

Real maintenance intervals:  how about figuring out a way to indicate what really needs to be adjusted for maintenance?  Like, don't go tell me to check my valves if none are out of spec?  Surely there's a way to know when the valves are out of spec?  And come on, why should riderse have to go out and buy a GSG9 computer to figure out default codes?  If you've got a full custom LCD display, just have a "maintenance" screen and post the issue there.

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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2013, 09:50:44 AM »
bikes to have kick starts again. And cut down on all the electronic junk.
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2013, 09:56:50 AM »
Dimable dash lights:  my Monster has a dimable lcd dash.  It's nice...but needs to dim even more.  I agree - stop blinding me at night!

Fully customizable lcd dash's with skins:  seriously:  just start putting up a 4x6 dash that a flat, touch screen lcd.  Let me PICK what I want to see.  Highway cruise?  How about a HUGE MPH number and smaller temp, fuel range, etc. skin.  Or if I'm on the track:  HUGE RPM and Coolant Temps...It's not like I give a rats poop about RPMs when I'm droning along at 65 on the freeway...

REAL Throttle by wire settings:  Hey, just because YOU think a rain mode is needed and that neutering my bike means something doesn't mean it does.  What I want is to control the aggressiveness of the throttle - not the powerband, not amount of throttle.  In the rain I want simply a soft delivery in the first 75% of the throttle...but full power if I need it.  I want to tailor that throttle myself.  I don't want to mess with fueling or anything like that - I do want to control the way the throttle works.

Cruise Control:  with throttle by wire here, please just make Cruise a standard feature. 

Real maintenance intervals:  how about figuring out a way to indicate what really needs to be adjusted for maintenance?  Like, don't go tell me to check my valves if none are out of spec?  Surely there's a way to know when the valves are out of spec?  And come on, why should riderse have to go out and buy a GSG9 computer to figure out default codes?  If you've got a full custom LCD display, just have a "maintenance" screen and post the issue there.

I'm sure there's more...

 This is what discourages me about newer bikes, and vehicles in general. Too many electronic "features" that can't be altered or even repaired by the home mechanic.

 The big trucks at work are especially bad in the TBW dept. I freakin' hate it when the ECU overrides my foot.

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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2013, 10:05:01 AM »
The ECU doesn't have eyes...and therein is the fault:  the ecu can only see the feedback from the machine:  it cannot see the road...yet.

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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2013, 10:32:43 AM »
I wouldn't mind lighted switch gear. 

Oh and a high beam indicator lamp that wasn't brighter than the high beams themselves.

I like both these options.

ABS standard on everything (that's happening organically anyway), with an option to disengage for those power riders who can do everything better.

Front pannier options for some bikes; balancing the weight of soft luggage off the tank seems to make a lot of sense.

Fully adjustable suspension on everything. They don't need to be race-spec Ohlins on everything, but for instance, what the FJR comes with is a good base minimum.

A few more spare amps across the board.

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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2013, 10:34:09 AM »

Hydraulic lifters.

As long as engines rev as high as many do, this is a self-defeating design. But for all the lower revving, lower-power engines, HELL YES!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2013, 10:35:44 AM »

Hydraulic lifters.

As long as engines rev as high as many do, this is a self-defeating design. But for all the lower revving, lower-power engines, HELL YES!!!!

I read this, but I don't understand why that's the case.  What is it about hydraulic lifters that don't allow high rpms?  Just the rate of fill?

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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2013, 10:37:21 AM »

Hydraulic lifters.

As long as engines rev as high as many do, this is a self-defeating design. But for all the lower revving, lower-power engines, HELL YES!!!!

I read this, but I don't understand why that's the case.  What is it about hydraulic lifters that don't allow high rpms?  Just the rate of fill?

Pretty much, yeah. Most oiling systems tend to cavitate (get air pockets) at higher rates. Increasing the sump to about double the current volume and increasing feed galley size is a good way around it, but no one wants to build an engine that big, and remote sumps also have volume issues at high rates.
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2013, 10:37:59 AM »
the rate of fill couple with the pumping down (loosing fluid -- linked but not quite the same) . . ..
We had two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.

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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2013, 10:38:44 AM »
the rate of fill couple with the pumping down (loosing fluid -- linked but not quite the same) . . ..

also, hydraulic lifters are hefty -- adding weight where it it least needed.
We had two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.

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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2013, 10:39:00 AM »
the rate of fill couple with the pumping down (loosing fluid -- linked but not quite the same) . . ..

good point; hydraulic lifters work by controlled pressure loss. It's a fairly complicated system.

In any case, you'll (likely) never see it on higher-revving systems. :(
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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2013, 11:50:41 AM »
What feature (or capability) is missing form your favorite bike?

About 50hp.  :lol:

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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2013, 12:21:47 PM »
A stock saddle that doesn't feel like I'm sitting on a 2x4 which forces me to spend another few hundred bucks on an after-market model. (I know...not gonna happen)
Self-cancelling turn signals.
Find a way to shave 75-100lbs off the FJR. Or I could just go get some liposuction....
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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2013, 12:26:47 PM »
Yes a much better seat is probably the one thing that most bikes could use. I like the day night mirror idea. My ST had dim-able instrument lights. Self canceling turn signals and ABS is probably something that should come std on most bikes. Larger gas tanks please and mount them under the seat where they belong (or at least mount part of them under the seat). Belt drives on high HP sport bikes would be cool.
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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2013, 01:15:28 PM »
What feature (or capability) is missing form your favorite bike?

About 50hp.  :lol:

Doesn't matter what bike you have, I'll always take another 50 HP.
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2013, 01:27:56 PM »
A stock saddle that doesn't feel like I'm sitting on a 2x4 which forces me to spend another few hundred bucks on an after-market model.


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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2013, 01:54:33 PM »
Who wouldn't want a loud horn, self-cancelling turn signals, heated grips and enough electrical output to power a reasonable number of gadgets? 

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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2013, 02:39:46 PM »
Every KLR rider on the planet, it would seem.
We had two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.

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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2013, 04:09:56 PM »
What feature (or capability) is missing form your favorite bike?

About 50hp.  :lol:

not ova here.  :LOL:

i haven't rode my bike enough to really decide on anything it needs... hmm.. guess ABS would be nice but you can get it on the newer models. 

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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2013, 07:30:21 PM »
bikes to have kick starts again. And cut down on all the electronic junk.

+1

light weight and stripped of as much as possible for a day-ride toy.

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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2013, 07:49:33 PM »
If you buy a new bike, the dealer should set the suspension for you or how you want it, including different springs as needed.

Every ST or touring bike should have a spare switched power fuse and a spare switch on the handlebars that the owner can change from momentary to on-off (or a way to use the starter button for something else when the bike is running?).

Sensor that measures the ambient light and changes the brightness of the dash, tail and brake lights.

Optional high output stator.

Bluetooth for low fuel, oil, high temp, etc...  to start.

+ 1 on the ecu error code read out.  So easily done w/ any digital guage.

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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2013, 07:55:32 PM »
If you buy a new bike, the dealer should set the suspension for you or how you want it, including different springs as needed.



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« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2013, 06:46:52 AM »
If you buy a new bike, the dealer should set the suspension for you or how you want it, including different springs as needed.


I think this should be mandatory for selling a bike. I feel they can charge on the spring but I believe a set up should be free
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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2013, 07:26:08 AM »
If you buy a new bike, the dealer should set the suspension for you or how you want it, including different springs as needed.

That would add another $1500 to $2000 to the price.

Optional high output stator.

The problem is space.


+ 1 on the ecu error code read out.  So easily done w/ any digital guage.


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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2013, 08:14:40 AM »
Decent sticking tires that last 10,000 miles.

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« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2013, 08:23:22 AM »
I would really like to see a Japanese competitor to the KTM 500 EXC. Surely someone can take a modern 450 enduro bike and make it street legal. The DRZ400S, DR650, XR650L are all quite long in the tooth and in need of an update.
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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2013, 09:11:11 AM »
Optional high output stator.
The problem is space.
I know.  I'm saying I would REALLY like the mfgs to include that (little bit of) space in the design.
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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2013, 09:12:16 AM »
I would really like to see a Japanese competitor to the KTM 500 EXC. Surely someone can take a modern 450 enduro bike and make it street legal. The DRZ400S, DR650, XR650L are all quite long in the tooth and in need of an update.

I'd be all over a WR400-450R

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« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2013, 09:16:03 AM »
I would really like to see a Japanese competitor to the KTM 500 EXC. Surely someone can take a modern 450 enduro bike and make it street legal. The DRZ400S, DR650, XR650L are all quite long in the tooth and in need of an update.
You mean like the CB500X?
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Re: Dear Moto Manbufacturers -- I would REALLY like . . . .
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2013, 01:30:32 PM »
bikes to have kick starts again. And cut down on all the electronic junk.

+1

light weight and stripped of as much as possible for a day-ride toy.

They should leak oil too. And whatever happened to leather strap clutches and spark advance levers.  >:(
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Re: Dear Moto Manufacturers -- I would REALLY like . . . .
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2013, 01:37:57 PM »
I would like to see a daylight readable color display panel that would give speed, revs, vitals, and GPS data in an all-in-one Add to that a built-in High Definition Camera mounted in the headlight assembly, Wi-Fi, Spot GPS capability, etc.
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Re: Dear Moto Manufacturers -- I would REALLY like . . . .
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2013, 01:38:21 PM »
Bring back the mid size shaft drive bike, ala the XS750G and GS750G.

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Re: Dear Moto Manufacturers -- I would REALLY like . . . .
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2013, 01:47:02 PM »
Bring back the mid size shaft drive bike, ala the XS750G and GS750G.

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Re: Dear Moto Manufacturers -- I would REALLY like . . . .
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2013, 04:31:28 PM »
I would really like to see a Japanese competitor to the KTM 500 EXC. Surely someone can take a modern 450 enduro bike and make it street legal. The DRZ400S, DR650, XR650L are all quite long in the tooth and in need of an update.
You mean like the CB500X?

No, that's a street bike. I want a modern street-legal Japanese dirt bike. Like Yamaha making a street legal version of the WR450. It already has a headlight and tail light. Just add turn signals and horn and the DOT paperwork crap. Most dirt bike titles say "Not for Highway Use" or something like that which makes it hard to get a plate for them in PA. Not impossible, just hard.

Or Suzuki freshening the DRZ400S by giving it a sixth gear and maybe 50cc more displacement.
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Re: Dear Moto Manufacturers -- I would REALLY like . . . .
« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2013, 04:41:42 PM »
I would really like to see a Japanese competitor to the KTM 500 EXC. Surely someone can take a modern 450 enduro bike and make it street legal. The DRZ400S, DR650, XR650L are all quite long in the tooth and in need of an update.
You mean like the CB500X?

... and the DOT paperwork crap. Most dirt bike titles say "Not for Highway Use" or something like that which makes it hard to get a plate for them in PA. Not impossible, just hard.


Therein lies the problem. On top of that is the local state anvil.


It's almost like they don't want you to ride a motorized vehicle off the pavement.




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Re: Dear Moto Manufacturers -- I would REALLY like . . . .
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2013, 05:13:35 PM »
Self leveling headlights. Nothing like going riding at night and going from 80+ feet of visibility to 15 feet as soon as leaned over for an off ramp

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« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2013, 06:41:02 PM »
Accurate speedometers, odometers and fuel gauges.
They're instruments of measurement, not nannied video games... :fitz:
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« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2013, 07:58:22 PM »
Accurate speedometers, odometers and fuel gauges.
They're instruments of measurement, not nannied video games... :fitz:

They're no more or less accurate than the ones in your 4 wheeled vehicles.
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« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2013, 08:34:36 PM »
They're no more or less accurate than the ones in your 4 wheeled vehicles.
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