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PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- A federal task force is poised to recommend that all states have mandatory helmet laws for all motorcyclists, which the task force says would reduce injuries and deaths as well as result in economic benefits, the American Motorcyclist Association reports.

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The Community Preventive Services Task Force, whose 15 members are appointed by the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, makes recommendations to the CDC and reports to the U.S. Congress about community preventive services, programs and policies to improve health. The task force is preparing to recommend that all states have universal helmet laws, which means that all riders, regardless of age, would be required to wear helmets.


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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2013, 02:46:43 PM »
Sure. Why not?
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2013, 02:52:32 PM »
Sure. Why not?


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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2013, 03:17:07 PM »
doesn't really matter to me since i wear one anyways...  and not required to.
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2013, 03:17:51 PM »
doesn't really matter to me since i wear one anyways...  and not required to.

How about when they come after your bike?

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2013, 03:19:23 PM »
doesn't really matter to me since i wear one anyways...  and not required to.

How about when they come after your bike?

Head butt - you're wearing a helmet, right?   :nuts:

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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2013, 03:21:12 PM »
Not presently.  But I do plan on using the steps soon so I should suit up!

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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2013, 03:22:10 PM »
There'll be a lot of other things they come after before they come after our bikes.
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2013, 03:25:18 PM »
I would bet that the AMA is getting involved in this as a nod to the cruiser riders, who seem to be under-represented in that organization, at least round here.
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2013, 03:25:51 PM »
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2013, 03:28:41 PM »
I would bet that the AMA is getting involved in this as a nod to the cruiser riders, who seem to be under-represented in that organization, at least round here.

IIRC the AMA's public position has always been in support of voluntary helmet use; they're not as vocal as, say, ABATE.

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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2013, 03:31:42 PM »
I would bet that the AMA is getting involved in this as a nod to the cruiser riders, who seem to be under-represented in that organization, at least round here.

IIRC the AMA's public position has always been in support of voluntary helmet use; they're not as vocal as, say, ABATE.

Yessir -- more or less my point, but much better put.
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2013, 03:36:20 PM »
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"The AMA supports actions that help riders avoid a crash from occurring, including voluntary rider education, improved licensing and testing, and expanded motorist awareness programs," said Allard. "This strategy is widely recognized and pursued in the motorcycling community."

This. And maybe encourage states to improve their DRIVER training and testing programs. It's too easy for an inexperienced 16-year old to get a license to drive a 2-ton vehicle. 
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2013, 05:14:40 PM »
All the government has to say to the states is if you don't pass the law you'll loose federal highway funds. Worked for seat belts.
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2013, 05:25:43 PM »
All the government has to say to the states is if you don't pass the law you'll loose federal highway funds. Worked for seat belts.
That would work
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2013, 06:26:05 PM »
All the government has to say to the states is if you don't pass the law you'll loose federal highway funds. Worked for seat belts.
That would work

That approach typically doesn't work in Texas. Texans hate being told what to do by; well, you know.
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2013, 06:34:34 PM »
All the government has to say to the states is if you don't pass the law you'll loose federal highway funds. Worked for seat belts.
That would work

That approach typically doesn't work in Texas. Texans hate being told what to do by; well, you know.
If the state can do without federal funding, I see no issue. How much of the state's highway budget would they loose? Would the state legislator be willing to forgo whatever funds they get just for bikers?
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2013, 07:10:42 PM »
All the government has to say to the states is if you don't pass the law you'll loose federal highway funds. Worked for seat belts.
That would work


That approach typically doesn't work in Texas. Texans hate being told what to do by; well, you know.
If the state can do without federal funding, I see no issue. How much of the state's highway budget would they loose? Would the state legislator be willing to forgo whatever funds they get just for bikers?



Oddly enough, the answer is closely aligned to your initial response to my post.

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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2013, 10:00:33 AM »
I kinda have a hankering for one of theseā€¦

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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2013, 02:42:52 PM »
doesn't really matter to me since i wear one anyways...  and not required to.

How about when they come after your bike?
 

why would they come after my bike, when i am following the law of wearing a helmet?  must be too tired to figure that one out.

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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2013, 02:47:13 PM »
the work around is easy for states that want to keep some level of freedom. pass the law but don't enforce it ;)  the only ones getting screwed then are the ones who have an accident while not wearing a helmet.
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2013, 03:54:33 PM »
doesn't really matter to me since i wear one anyways...  and not required to.

How about when they come after your bike?
 

why would they come after my bike, when i am following the law of wearing a helmet?  must be too tired to figure that one out.

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I find myself in the freedom camp.  I always wear one- I have yet to hear a compelling argument as to why Joe Rider not wearing a helmet affects me.  He can look out for his own safety- if he wants a frontal lobotomy in a crash, have at it.  I feel the same about seatbelts.  Now kids?  You MUST wear a helment and use a seatbelt until 18- the legal age of an adult.  As a kid (and 18 is debateable- might be more like 25  :shrug: ), you aren't smart enough to think for yourself.  As an adult you are- and currently that legal definition is 18.   :shrug:
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2013, 04:37:36 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2013, 04:54:53 PM »

I find myself in the freedom camp.  I always wear one- I have yet to hear a compelling argument as to why Joe Rider not wearing a helmet affects me.  He can look out for his own safety- if he wants a frontal lobotomy in a crash, have at it.  I feel the same about seatbelts.  Now kids?  You MUST wear a helment and use a seatbelt until 18- the legal age of an adult.  As a kid (and 18 is debateable- might be more like 25  :shrug: ), you aren't smart enough to think for yourself.  As an adult you are- and currently that legal definition is 18.   :shrug:

This makes sense to me, as well . . . . the oft-repeated claim of helmetless riders become a drag on scoiety, well, I've never seen any numebrs along those lines.
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2013, 06:42:50 PM »
So what y'all are saying is we need to do away with any and/or all laws that are for the common good?
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AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2013, 06:46:05 PM »
Hmmm.   :headscratch:

This doesn't have much resonance for me, since I live in a state with a mandatory helmet law and have always worn a helmet anyhow.  Even when I lived in a state without a helmet law.

As far a legislation goes, this is pretty benign.  I do not personally believe in the slippery slope theory.  For example, we require people to wear seatbelts, but no one has come for my car yet.    :shrug:

It seems more like one of those things that non-motorcyclists see as obvious, and there are a lot more of them than there are of us.  Maybe we should accept regulation of helmet-wearing if for no other reason than as a demonstration of our reasonableness to the public, and save our outrage for horsepower limits, or airbags, mandatory outrigger wheels...stuff that would really change our lives.


However, I would absolutely prefer that the Feds were working on mandatory legal traffic filtering for all states instead of a helmet law.  As is legal in California and pretty much every other country everywhere.   Now THAT would be very useful legislation!





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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2013, 07:07:17 PM »
So what y'all are saying is we need to do away with any and/or all laws that are for the common good?

Who decides the "common good"?


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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2013, 07:59:10 PM »
Bad, or reckless, parenting should not lead to an infringement more laws for the greater good. 

I understand why to wear a helmet.  95%, or better, of the time I wear one myself.  The other 5% is a contentious choice.  I almost always enjoy riding without a helmet, but believe that we all should be able to make our own risk and odds personal assessment.
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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2013, 08:22:55 PM »
So what y'all are saying is we need to do away with any and/or all laws that are for the common good?

Who decides the "common good"?


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« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2013, 08:59:33 PM »
Good. when I saw helmetless douches in Montana, I laughed in my RF1100 at them.

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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2013, 06:08:29 AM »
Good. when I saw helmetless douches in Montana, I laughed in my RF1100 at them.

If it wasn't for my helmet, I would currently have Jun 6, 1966 - Aug 26, 2009 engraved on my tombstone.

I wouldn't ride my bike down the driveway without a helmet. But that's my choice.

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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2013, 06:18:12 AM »
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"The AMA supports actions that help riders avoid a crash from occurring, including voluntary rider education, improved licensing and testing, and expanded motorist awareness programs," said Allard. "This strategy is widely recognized and pursued in the motorcycling community."

This. And maybe encourage states to improve their DRIVER training and testing programs. It's too easy for an inexperienced 16-year old to get a license to drive a 2-ton vehicle.

No offense intended, but this is typical school yard whining mentality. Pointing over there and saying "yeah but he...." does nothing to further the cause at hand, no matter what the cause.

Helmet laws don't affect ME personally, however I still fully support the notion of voluntary use of them as I simply do NOT want officials deciding how you and I should dress ourselves for riding. Never point elsewhere to try to make alternative arguments when under attack. It's a position of weakness.
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2013, 06:23:48 AM »
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However, I would absolutely prefer that the Feds were working on mandatory legal traffic filtering for all states instead of a helmet law.  As is legal in California and pretty much every other country everywhere.   Now THAT would be very useful legislation!

IL was debating the helmet law few years back, and this was the give for it, legal filtering.

ABATE shut it down, so filtering is still illegal. 

Now it is starting to creep up to be a law, and if completed IL will sit on the filtering item in debate ( nothing to give to get it, so why bother ).  I'm not shocked with the other item in motion, this was just a matter time before this came around.
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2013, 07:13:44 AM »
:shrug:

I support seat belt laws. I would support coast-to-coast helmet laws. And I would also support laws or other controls over text messaging while driving.

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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2013, 07:15:38 AM »
As far a legislation goes, this is pretty benign.  I do not personally believe in the slippery slope theory.  For example, we require people to wear seatbelts, but no one has come for my car yet.    :shrug:

Poor example. The vast majority of Americans drive autos and don't see them as dangerous. People who ride are in the minority, the vast majority of the ones who do I would bet do it for recreational purposes. I would also bet the vast majority of the non-riding public view motorcycles as extremely dangerous. All the more reason to regulate what you wear while riding, restrict engine sizes, etc. All things that have been discussed.

These are things I am not willing to negotiate. While I do wear a helmet and consider not wearing one stupid, I do believe in the freedom to choose and don't agree with the nanny state mentality. We are all adults and should be treated as such to make our own decisions.

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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2013, 11:51:18 AM »
This. And maybe encourage states to improve their DRIVER training and testing programs. It's too easy for an inexperienced 16-year old to get a license to drive a 2-ton vehicle.

No offense intended, but this is typical school yard whining mentality. Pointing over there and saying "yeah but he...." does nothing to further the cause at hand, no matter what the cause.

Helmet laws don't affect ME personally, however I still fully support the notion of voluntary use of them as I simply do NOT want officials deciding how you and I should dress ourselves for riding. Never point elsewhere to try to make alternative arguments when under attack. It's a position of weakness.

None taken, of course and I see your point as well.   
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2013, 11:59:42 AM »
None taken, of course and I see your point as well.

*whew*

As someone who has resorted to school yard politics in the past, it's easy for that to sound offensive.
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2013, 01:06:37 PM »
I remember the Joan Claybrook years with no fondness whatsoever -- the era of 55 MPH speedometers, federal dollars spen on rear steering motorcycles, and the state of Ohio toying with seat belt laws for motorcycles . . . . . .

compared to these, a helmet law sounds almost rational.

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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2013, 03:35:16 PM »
...federal dollars spent on rear steering motorcycles, and the state of Ohio toying with seat belt laws for motorcycles . . . . . .


Those two ideas right there make my head hurt. A motorcycle that steers using the rear wheel.... :headscratch: :crazy:
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2013, 03:39:11 PM »
...federal dollars spent on rear steering motorcycles, and the state of Ohio toying with seat belt laws for motorcycles . . . . . .


Those two ideas right there make my head hurt. A motorcycle that steers using the rear wheel.... :headscratch: :crazy:

I'd ride it. Heck, I'll ride anything once.

Edited to add; not without a helmet.
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2013, 04:18:41 PM »
Me too . . .

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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2013, 04:29:14 PM »
I fully support your right not to wear one as long as zero public dollars go to saving your arse should you be silly enough to take a spill whilst not wearing said headgear..

Not sure how accurate this so..read with that in mind..

A privately conducted California study put the average cost of hospital admissions for a non-helmeted rider at $17,704. Of this initial amount, 72 percent of the costs for hospitalization were paid by the State of California, with another 10 percent being paid by other tax-based sources. Now you have to do all the math to get compaired to a helmeted rider etc etc..but point being that freedom is not necessarily free..

All fine and dandy with personal responsibility and liberty as long as you ACTUALLY accept the risk..problem is people want it too much both ways..freedom from tyranny..till they need it...

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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2013, 05:29:57 PM »
I fully support your right not to wear one as long as zero public dollars go to saving your arse should you be silly enough to take a spill whilst not wearing said headgear..

Not sure how accurate this so..read with that in mind..

A privately conducted California study put the average cost of hospital admissions for a non-helmeted rider at $17,704. Of this initial amount, 72 percent of the costs for hospitalization were paid by the State of California, with another 10 percent being paid by other tax-based sources. Now you have to do all the math to get compaired to a helmeted rider etc etc..but point being that freedom is not necessarily free..

All fine and dandy with personal responsibility and liberty as long as you ACTUALLY accept the risk..problem is people want it too much both ways..freedom from tyranny..till they need it...

exactly!  they should make it that if you wreck without a helmet, all medical expenses come out of your pocket. now mind you, if you're dead, won't matter anyways, BUT, if you caused a wreck and you died without a helmet, you're estate is ba bye!!  to help pay for all other people's medical expenses.
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« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2013, 06:35:36 PM »
Y'all keep adding stipulations. There's the slippery slope.


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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2013, 07:01:11 PM »
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Imagine you're having a backyard barbeque. A cop walks in and announces, "This is a random health and safety check to see whether you've removed the skin from the chicken before you served it." Though delicious in taste, we all know that chicken skin contains considerable unhealthy fat. If you're caught serving chicken skin, the cop gets your ID and issues you a $50 ticket.

If something like this were to occur, most Americans -- I hope -- would see such an action as ludicrous, offensive and a gross violation of our liberties. But not so fast. Let's think about it. Each year, obesity claims the lives of 300,000 Americans and adds over $100 billion to health-care costs. Doesn't that give government the right to dictate what we eat? If you're the least offended by the notion of government dictating our diets, pray tell me how it differs in principle from seatbelt laws and especially the new federal enforcement program called "Click It or Ticket."

Under the Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century, the federal government is spending $500 million to aggressively enforce seatbelt laws. According to a July Consumers Research article written by Eric Peters titled "The Federal Government Wants You to Buckle Up," about 11,000 law enforcement agencies across the country have set up random checkpoints and have issued hundreds of thousands of tickets to unbelted drivers and passengers.

Just as in my barbeque scenario, their justification is our health and safety. After all, the 2002 highway death toll was 42,815 and, according to a U.S. Department of Transportation National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) study, "The Economic Impact of Motor Vehicle Crashes on America's Roadways," seatbelt usage could have prevented an estimated 9,200 fatalities.

"Click It or Ticket" represents another bold step along the road to serfdom. History knows of no totalitarianism agenda where noble goals weren't used as justification. Nazis used "for the good of the German Volk" and the Soviets used "for the good of the proletariat" as their justification. Health and safety have become the American justification for attacks on liberty.

In a free society, each person owns himself. As such, he has the broad discretion to make his own choices regardless of what others think of the wisdom of his choices. He has the right to take chances with his own health and safety. However, if an American doesn't own himself, and it's Congress that owns him, he doesn't have those rights. Thus, the "Click It or Ticket" program is simply Congress' way of caring for its property, the American people.

Whether seatbelt usage is a good idea is beside the point, for daily exercise, nutritious meals, eight hours sleep, and cultural and intellectual enrichment might also be good ideas. The point is whether government has a right to coerce us into taking care of ourselves.

If eating what we wish is our business and not that of government, then why should we accept government's coercing us to wear seatbelts? America's tyrants might answer, "We just haven't gotten around to dictating diets yet."

Some might argue, but falsely so, that the problem with people exercising their liberty to drive without seatbelts, ride motorcycles without helmets or eat in unhealthy ways is that if they become injured or sick, society will be burdened with higher health-care costs. That's not a problem of liberty but one of socialism.

There's no liberty-based argument for forcing one person to care for the needs of another. Under socialism, one is obliged to care for another. A parent-child relationship emerges between the citizen and the government. That was not the vision of our Founders.


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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2013, 09:04:33 PM »
There'll be a lot of other things they come after before they come after our bikes.

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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2013, 09:18:03 PM »
So what y'all are saying is we need to do away with any and/or all laws that are for the common good?

No- IMO your rights end when they infringe on mine.  For example, a stopping at a stop sign law is a good law- it keeps me safe from someone else, and it keeps them safe from me.  However if a dude doesn't want to wear a helmet the only person impacted by that choice is him- it doesn't affect anyone else.  I guess I see no reason for a law like that.  :shrug:  Same thing for seat belts.   :shrug: Personal liberty and choices and all. 
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2013, 09:21:36 PM »
So what y'all are saying is we need to do away with any and/or all laws that are for the common good?

No- IMO your rights end when they infringe on mine.  For example, a stopping at a stop sign law is a good law- it keeps me safe from someone else, and it keeps them safe from me.  However if a dude doesn't want to wear a helmet the only person impacted by that choice is him- it doesn't affect anyone else.  I guess I see no reason for a law like that.  :shrug:  Same thing for seat belts.   :shrug: Personal liberty and choices and all.

So this person not wearing a helmet lives in a complete vacuum. Their decision not to wear a helmet affects no one else?
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Re: AMA: Federal task force preparing to recommend mandatory helmet law
« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2013, 09:43:09 PM »
So this person not wearing a helmet lives in a complete vacuum. Their decision not to wear a helmet affects no one else?

Well, of course there are those left behind, but that's the choice of the rider as I see it.  Like I said- I just need a compelling reason to change my mind.   :thumbsup:  I just haven't heard it.

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I support seat belt laws. I would support coast-to-coast helmet laws. And I would also support laws or other controls over text messaging while driving.

For all people, not just under kids.

To me texting is different- that can infringe on *my* safety due to inattentive driving.  An adult not wearing a seat belt or a person not wearing a helmet doesn't impact my safety. 

That's just the line that makes sense to me.  If you want to "live dangerously" by not wearing a helmet, or not wearing a seat belt, or skydiving, or riding a motorcycle, I'm cool with it.  I don't need to legislate you from yourself.  I don't need you legislate me from myself.  As long as I am not endangering another person (infringing on their rights), why should it be illegal?
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