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So I changed the oil on the Bandit last week. While tightening the drain plug, it felt "funny". It seemed to thread fine, but something wasn't right. Usually I ALWAYS listen to that voice and investigate, but this time I didn't. Mistake #1.

So this afternoon I head to an open house. I get there, things are good, I go to leave and see a few drips on the ground under the bike. I make a mental note to check it when I get home. Mistake #2.

On the way home I turn on to Chicago Drive (a local rural highway) and hit it. Things are good as I accelerate away, but suddenly the rear end slides out, I recover, but it gets SUPER squirrely. Instantly I think of the drain plug. I wail on the front brake which alleviates the rear end sway and bring it to a stop in a turn around. I kept it up on two wheels and killed the engine as soon as I could safely do so, so the motor is fine. I get stopped and watch as a couple quarts of dead dinosaur pour from my now missing drain plug. Suck.
Here's video of my path- I shot it as I pulled up with the truck.  Right at the beginning you can see how much the rear end was sliding:

Where I stopped:
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It's not supposed to look like that:
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I'm pretty sure I'll get the last bits of my seat out of my butt from clenching at some point.
Moral of the story: Go with your gut. ALWAYS.

Tomorrow I'll pick up and rethread a replacement.  I spent about an hour scrubbing the rear tire with bleach-white once I was home.  After I get it sorted out tomorrow I plan to back into the backyard and do a few burnouts in the sand to further scour the rear tire.  Any more ideas? 

Luckily Meemuh lived only a mile and a half up the road.  I caught a ride to his house and took his KLR home, then brought it back on the trailer and grabbed the Bandit.  So far it turned out OK.  Lesson learned!
« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 06:58:12 AM by CLAY »
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You're a lucky guy.

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One thing I learned a long time ago:  I'd rather be lucky than good any day of the week.   :thumbsup:

Lucky, but stupid.   :facepalm:
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I'm willing to bet Clay's out in the barn drinking all his home brew rite now.
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Well, on the bright side, if the most you paid for the lesson "always trust your gut" is the cost of an oil change and maybe rear tire...that makes it what, maybe a $225 lesson, $250 worst case scenario?

Some people learn that lesson by colliding with a car they totally knew was going to turn at the worst possible time.  How much does that cost?

A $250 bill for a quality lesson is a pretty cheap lesson IMO.  Even though that sucks.
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I'm willing to bet Clay's out in the barn drinking all his home brew rite now.

That's okay, he's still got two weeks (almost) to make more. :snork:
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Holy shit!  Glad you're OK!

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glad things turned out ok for you.  Oil gets messy.
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I had a similar experience when I failed to notice the gasket from the old filter stuck to the bottom of the engine case. The double gasket didn't seal well and I spewed a couple quarts of Mobil 1 over my back tire.

Lesson learned: doing maintenance in a poorly lit garage the night before a ride isn't a good idea.
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Lesson learned: doing maintenance in a poorly lit garage the night before a ride isn't a good idea.

Sadly, I think many of us have learned that particular lesson in one way or another...  :'(

Glad this turned out ok.

Clay, is the plug stripped out now? Do you have to do some thread/heli-coil work? Or maybe a weld/drill/tap repair?

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Also, in the pic below, what's going on in the tire? Is that just a stone in the tread, or is there a puncture to deal with, too?

(by the way, simple green or some foamy engine cleaner, and hose off that tire and you're fine)

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(by the way, simple green or some foamy engine cleaner, and hose off that tire and you're fine)

That's what I used to clean off my rear tire.
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Glad it turned out "right" for ya.


Fixed.
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It could have been much worse, glad your OK..
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Also, in the pic below, what's going on in the tire? Is that just a stone in the tread, or is there a puncture to deal with, too?

(by the way, simple green or some foamy engine cleaner, and hose off that tire and you're fine)

Just a small stone in the tread.  The tire is fine other than the oil.  When I pick up more oil today I'll grab some degreaser AND simple green.   :thumbsup:

There is plenty of metal around the current drain hole.  When a buddy stripped an oil plug on his B6 he went to an auto store- they have self-tapping replacements that rethread into the aluminum.  Of course I'll have to flush it once the new plug is tapped, but his was fine for many years/miles.   :thumbsup:
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I learned about this one a long, long time ago. 

On my way to high school one chilly autumn morning, a lovely curvy road followed by a half mile long straight with a passing zone at the top of the hill, a little jag, the straight past the school, then the turn-in.  You HAD to get past the buses on that straight or you would be sitting behind them as they unloaded until you could get to the parking lot turn off.  We're talking 8-10 buses in a convoy.

So we're on the straight and I'm tucked in and pinned.  Bike seems to bog down a bit.  Didn't feel right going around the jag, and it stalls out as I'm decelerating in front of the school.  Eased the clutch out and it doesn't catch...too much compression, what the hell did I trash the transmission and now I'm in 1st gear?  I have enough momentum to make the parking lot, so I pull the clutch in and hit the turn-in...a 270 turn there goes the rear wheel and all my dirt experience comes back to me as I'm flat-tracking a 525 pound CB550 with freaking upside clubman bars.  I didn't have Wheaties that morning but should have.   Coasted into the first spot I find, set the centerstand, and damn near dump the thing on me.  The bike and I are COVERED in a fine sheen of Castrol GT.  Fawwwwwwk.   Quick diagnosis reveals that the clamps holding the hoses onto the aftermarket oil cooler just didn't feel up to the task of sustained high rpm on a 40 degree morning.  And it was also seized up solid.  Luckily I had my full suit on...dumped that in the trash and nabbed my gym sneaks before class.   Took two days to get that bike running, and just one more to trade it in on an XL175.   

Okay, back to Clay's thread.....   

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At least your chain is now lubed.  But seriously, glad you're okay.   :)

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Never fun. Glad you're ok and nice recovery. Second what Chornbe says about the tire - no need to replace.

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Phew. Glad you're still with us...now, did I tell you about the time a tyre came off the rim on a tight right hander next to a 300 foot drop?
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Clay, I'm thinking all the cats in your neighbor hood got together and plotted your demise by loosening the drain plug.
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Holy shit.  :o

Glad you made it out alive, Clay.  :thumbsup:
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For those of us who do our own oil changes, is this preventable or is it an inevitable endpoint for Aluminum oil pans?

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For those of us who do our own oil changes, is this preventable or is it an inevitable endpoint for Aluminum oil pans?

I do not believe it is inevitable.  I always make sure to replace the washer each oil change and I always use a torque wrench.  When I was younger I just went by feel, and probably went too tight a number of times.  With the torque wrench I know I'm going tight enough without damaging the threads in the oil pan.

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For those of us who do our own oil changes, is this preventable or is it an inevitable endpoint for Aluminum oil pans?

I do not believe it is inevitable.  I always make sure to replace the washer each oil change and I always use a torque wrench.  When I was younger I just went by feel, and probably went too tight a number of times.  With the torque wrench I know I'm going tight enough without damaging the threads in the oil pan.

+1

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Have yet to use a torque wrench on any of the bikes that have passed through my garage, likely because I don't own one.

Maybe I should buy one...

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Don't know that I would try a Harbor Freight special when it comes to torque wrenches - I've heard bad things about the accuracy of even mid-grade torque wrenches...although you can always find somebody with a horror story about anything.  I just don't think that a torque wrench is fail-safe, either.  I think gut instinct is still worth listening to.

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The HF ones seem to get decent reviews.

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A buddy (919 from .N) checked his HF Torque wrench against his high end one. They were equal. I use mine for everything.

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Don't know that I would try a Harbor Freight special when it comes to torque wrenches - I've heard bad things about the accuracy of even mid-grade torque wrenches...although you can always find somebody with a horror story about anything.  I just don't think that a torque wrench is fail-safe, either.  I think gut instinct is still worth listening to.

Agreed, don't ignore a gut feeling.  But a torque wrench is probably better than the old German spec of 'guedentite', especially after numerous oil changes.

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Thing is- I have a torque wrench too.  I will be using it for oil changes from now on.   :crazy:
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Thing is- I have a torque wrench too.  I will be using it for oil changes from now on.   :crazy:
I would read through the install instructions of the repair kit to see if they list a torque spec for the new drain plug rather than the factory spec for the original.

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Already done. 
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I hope you called and reported the spill to the Roads dept., so some other biker-dude doesn't post a lesson learned.  :redface:
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