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Big Milestone. I Must Share
« on: June 07, 2014, 10:05:49 AM »
It's been nearly 18 months now of Ural ownership.  The main engine break-in occurred late last fall.  That meant we could start pushing the motor and ride on mountain roads.  Yea!

But, the major milestone for me has been getting comfortable riding the rig and feeling somewhat in control.  Sure, the chair pulls the rig to the left with accelerating and pushes it to the right when braking.  Those two nuances have become automatic muscle memory for me.  No biggie.

My biggest fear has always been the fact the chair wants to come off the ground in right-hand corners.  This is especially true when the chair is empty (no ballast).  I have adapted the habit of moving my arse over towards the chair in right hand corners to help weight that side when corning.  What I've not been comfortable with is how to steer the rig once (and if) the outside wheel becomes airborne. 

I've been practicing it a lot lately!  The good news is, I have now successfully steered the rig in a right hand corner at speed with oncoming traffic on several occasions!  Granted, this was done internally by me lifting the chair and not done in a "pucker oh-shit the chair just came up moment."  But, that's why I'm practicing.  I want to develop the muscle memory should that ever happen.

Once the chair is up, you can steer it just like a motorcycle with counter steering.  So, once the chair is up in a right hand corner and I want to continue going right, I just apply a little counter steering and the rig goes right!  This also means I'm getting comfortable riding with the chair up.  They say this is a quintessential skill of riding a hack.

While I'm not comfortable doing this all the time, I am beginning to get the hang of it. 

Whoot!   :chili:


This is what I'm talking about (expect it's a bit more difficult in right handers)

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Re: Big Milestone. I Must Share
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2014, 10:16:07 AM »
That guy is pretty good.


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Re: Big Milestone. I Must Share
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2014, 10:39:41 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2014, 11:16:10 AM »
Wow.

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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2014, 09:34:16 AM »
I don’t believe I stated the significance of this skill.  Most accidents I’ve read about and have been told about on hacks involve right hand corners.  Folks have the chair start to come up on them unexpectedly, the rig starts to push left into the oncoming lane, and the potential to end your ride (and even your life) increases geometrically. 

Now that I’m starting to learn how to react when the chair comes up (i.e. counter steer to continue going right), I’m hoping I don’t panic if the chair should rise on me unexpectedly and I do the right thing. 

The timing of this is good since Sheri and I leave this Saturday for a week long journey on the Ural.  I can’t wait.  This will not only be our first multi-day trip on the Ural, this will be my first motorcycle trip with my wife. 


Our first Ural ride report will follow! 
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2014, 10:41:39 AM »
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This is so great. I can see why you would want to take the Ural and go with Sheri somewhere rather than meet those weirdos at Clay's BBQ.












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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2014, 10:42:43 AM »
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This is so great. I can see why you would want to take the Ural and go with Sheri somewhere rather than meet those weirdos at Clay's BBQ.




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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2014, 11:11:48 AM »
Do you usually have something in the sidecar to weigh it down when you're riding solo?  For some reason I thought that was SOP.

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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2014, 11:22:09 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2014, 11:46:02 AM »
Do you usually have something in the sidecar to weigh it down when you're riding solo?  For some reason I thought that was SOP.

It's SOP for rookies.  Veteran hack riders go with no ballast! 


How's the saying go???  "Amateurs practice to do it right, professionals practice until they get it wrong." 


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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2014, 11:49:36 AM »
I don’t believe I stated the significance of this skill.  Most accidents I’ve read about and have been told about on hacks involve right hand corners.  Folks have the chair start to come up on them unexpectedly, the rig starts to push left into the oncoming lane, and the potential to end your ride (and even your life) increases geometrically. 

Now that I’m starting to learn how to react when the chair comes up (i.e. counter steer to continue going right), I’m hoping I don’t panic if the chair should rise on me unexpectedly and I do the right thing. 

The timing of this is good since Sheri and I leave this Saturday for a week long journey on the Ural.  I can’t wait.  This will not only be our first multi-day trip on the Ural, this will be my first motorcycle trip with my wife. 


Our first Ural ride report will follow!

Won't this cause the bike to go left as soon as the car touches down again (removing countersteering from the picture)? Need to be ready to change the front wheel direction as soon as you are on three wheels again, right?

Haven't really thought this through, but that was my initial response...

Glad you're getting comfortable - sidecar rig may be the only way to get my wife on the bike...

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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2014, 11:54:48 AM »
Won't this cause the bike to go left as soon as the car touches down again (removing countersteering from the picture)?

Need to be ready to change the front wheel direction as soon as you are on three wheels again, right?



Good question.  Turning left can force the chair back down to the ground.  You have to balance the chair when countersteering which is why I feel it's such a milestone for me to have finally accomplished. 



Glad you're getting comfortable - sidecar rig may be the only way to get my wife on the bike...

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This is the case for my wife.  I've explained to her that riding pillion on a back of a bike is about 2X more safe then riding monkey in a sidecar.  She realizes her fear to ride on the back of a bike is irrational. 

Regardless, she LOVEs spending time in the sidecar.   :D
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2014, 12:35:13 PM »
When I had my series of Cossacks/ Urals, I used to put a large toolbox in the chair. Not only for ballast but also cause I needn't the tools.
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2014, 12:56:41 PM »
:lol:


The Ural does come with a very complete and large toolkit.  I also carry a siccor jack in case I need to remove one of the rear wheels. 

In addition to those items, a lot of people recommend placing a bag of sand, kitty litter, or gravel in the floor of the sidecar for add'l ballast.  I like going at it alone for practice. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2014, 03:28:34 PM »
I like going at it alone for practice.

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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2014, 03:52:01 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2014, 07:00:16 AM »

The only thing missing is a umbrella.

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