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Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« on: April 08, 2014, 06:55:48 AM »
The older I get, the less interested I am in speed and performance and more interested I am in touring and seeing new things.  Is this what happens when you age or is it a function of maturity level or low testosterone levels?  :lol:

Don’t get me wrong, I still like performance, but not cutting edge.  And, I still like speed.  Only, I am MUCH more careful these days about when I apply more throttle out on public roads. 

Given the addition of the RT two years ago and the Ural just over a year ago, I look forward to getting on either and taking a trip.  As most of you know, before I picked up these two rides, I had a brief stint with another track bike.  My buddy was retiring from racing and I could NOT pass up the deal he offered me on this GSXR 750.  I did a hand full of track days with it, including a race school where I earned my provisional license.  But, I realized I actually enjoyed touring to getting out on the track.

One passion I whish I could explore more of is trail riding on a 250 dirt bike.  But, that takes riding partners, trailering to places far away just to ride < 100 miles, and more logistics which makes it less accessible to me.  I was just starting to get the bug of trail riding when I moved to NC from WV.  If only I had moved to the mountains of NC, I’d most likely still be riding in the dirt and would have traded the 530 EXC for a smaller bike. 

But, I got the Ural instead and have zero regrets as I get to ride with my lovely wife of > 20 years.  A day doesn’t go by that I don’t pause to think about where and when will my next trip be on two wheels or on three?

My question to you wily veterans out there is as follows:  Is this a normal course of riding?  What is causing me to enjoy doing this.


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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2014, 07:04:28 AM »
All part of the natural progression towards

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2014, 07:31:00 AM »
Grandpa Doug has a nice ring to it.
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2014, 07:55:13 AM »
The older I get, the less interested I am in speed and performance and more interested I am in touring and seeing new things.  Is this what happens when you age or is it a function of maturity level or low testosterone levels?  :lol:

I don't heal as quickly or as thoroughly any more. I've also matured and have nothing to prove to anyone. Fun is paramount in my riding, but arriving alive is certainly creeping way up the ladder, quickly and with determination.
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2014, 08:02:14 AM »
I am 100 percent with you. It started a few years ago for me. I found it less enjoyable to have things blur by and far more enjoyable to slow down and see what I have been missing. I enjoy riding at 5-10 or so MPH over the speed limit than 40 or so over. Less stress, more sights, more fun.

I still enjoy good roads and am happy to ride the curves using the pace method and not trying to drag a knee.

To that end this is enhanced by adding my RT and also adding a trail bike to rise with my son.

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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2014, 09:09:33 AM »
Grandpa Doug has a nice ring to it.
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2014, 09:15:20 AM »
Grandpa Doug has a nice ring to it.
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2014, 01:55:34 PM »
I'm not that old yet ;D

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2014, 02:32:36 PM »
I think for me the 'slowing down' is just part of maturing.  I'm 46 now and about 4-5 years ago is when I bought my cruiser.  It is a great bike for when I go riding with my wife.  I can ride at a slower pace so she can keep up easily and I still enjoy the ride.  Although the last couple seasons, when I'm out riding alone, I have wanted something better handling, smoother and with better brakes.  Finally got out on my new bike this past Sunday, '14 Z1000, it is still in the break in period, so I can't really ride it quickly yet.  But I don't think I will be riding as hard on the street as I did when I was younger.  I think I'm past the phase of riding too close to my skill limit now, and will enjoy riding at a brisk pace.  Quick but not crazy.  I guess for me its age and maturity.

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2014, 03:16:17 PM »
I'm 46 now

Damn, that's old.

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2014, 04:02:36 PM »
I'm not that old yet ;D

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2014, 04:37:38 PM »
I am actually leaning the other way as I have become that old guy with the sport bike. I know the clock is ticking but I still have that desire for the modern sport bike technology.  That is where is pays to have a couple of bikes in the garage as we can go where the mood strikes.

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2014, 04:40:19 PM »
If Doug is looking for some sort of validation for buying
slow bikes - he apparently isn't going to find it here.

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2014, 06:00:02 PM »
I wish I had a GSXR750. And the money and time to enjoy it.  ;)

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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2014, 06:27:01 PM »
I wish I had a GSXR750. And the money and time to enjoy it.  ;)

The definition of sport bike IMHO.

It certainly does seem an excellent extension of the original CB750's intention.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2014, 06:34:49 PM »
I wish I had a GSXR750. And the money and time to enjoy it.  ;)

The definition of sport bike IMHO.

It certainly does seem an excellent extension of the original CB750's intention.  :thumbsup:

That's a pretty far stretch.
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2014, 06:55:01 PM »
I wish I had a GSXR750. And the money and time to enjoy it.  ;)

The definition of sport bike IMHO.

It certainly does seem an excellent extension of the original CB750's intention.  :thumbsup:

That's a pretty far stretch.

Not really. Many regard the CB750 as the first super sport; the seminal "sport"-ier bike (as we know them today - high-revving I4 with good torque). The whole CBR line is an extension and refinement of that original design. The Gixxer 750 maintains that balance of original intent with a larger, torquier engine that maintains the lighter weight of the 600s.
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2014, 08:27:33 PM »
It becomes a matter of perspective.  At this point, there are a lot of things a like to do.  Taking a chance of getting a reckless driving conviction or worse, diminishes the upside potential of excessive velocity on public roads.    To me, as you approach twice the posted speed, the risk of a bad outcome starts to rise exponentially.  Distracted drivers are not watching for fast moving vehicles, hell most of the time they have no idea what's directly around them

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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2014, 09:05:45 PM »
I wish I had a GSXR750. And the money and time to enjoy it.  ;)

The definition of sport bike IMHO.

It certainly does seem an excellent extension of the original CB750's intention.  :thumbsup:

That's a pretty far stretch.

Not really. Many regard the CB750 as the first super sport; the seminal "sport"-ier bike (as we know them today - high-revving I4 with good torque). The whole CBR line is an extension and refinement of that original design. The Gixxer 750 maintains that balance of original intent with a larger, torquier engine that maintains the lighter weight of the 600s.

Don't get me wrong. The original CB750 set many standards. Firstly, a 3/4 litre transverse I4. MV had already done that, but not on the scale of Honda. The GSXR750 on the other hand only epitomized the 750 sport bike of its day. The fact that it is still produced after its pedigree racing class was eliminated long ago speaks a different volume.
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2014, 09:34:06 PM »
I wish I had a GSXR750. And the money and time to enjoy it.  ;)

The definition of sport bike IMHO.

It certainly does seem an excellent extension of the original CB750's intention.  :thumbsup:

That's a pretty far stretch.

Not really. Many regard the CB750 as the first super sport; the seminal "sport"-ier bike (as we know them today - high-revving I4 with good torque). The whole CBR line is an extension and refinement of that original design. The Gixxer 750 maintains that balance of original intent with a larger, torquier engine that maintains the lighter weight of the 600s.

Don't get me wrong. The original CB750 set many standards. Firstly, a 3/4 litre transverse I4. MV had already done that, but not on the scale of Honda. The GSXR750 on the other hand only epitomized the 750 sport bike of its day. The fact that it is still produced after its pedigree racing class was eliminated long ago speaks a different volume.
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2014, 09:41:59 PM »
And I had expectations of a more serious conversation. 

All I've done is laugh my ass off keeping up. 


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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2014, 10:28:44 PM »
I wish I had a GSXR750. And the money and time to enjoy it.  ;)

The definition of sport bike IMHO.

It certainly does seem an excellent extension of the original CB750's intention.  :thumbsup:

That's a pretty far stretch.

Not really. Many regard the CB750 as the first super sport; the seminal "sport"-ier bike (as we know them today - high-revving I4 with good torque). The whole CBR line is an extension and refinement of that original design. The Gixxer 750 maintains that balance of original intent with a larger, torquier engine that maintains the lighter weight of the 600s.

Don't get me wrong. The original CB750 set many standards. Firstly, a 3/4 litre transverse I4. MV had already done that, but not on the scale of Honda. The GSXR750 on the other hand only epitomized the 750 sport bike of its day. The fact that it is still produced after its pedigree racing class was eliminated long ago speaks a different volume.
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2014, 10:40:15 PM »
My vote is that you're getting old, Doug!  It's ok, sounds like you'll fit in fine around here.  ;)

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2014, 01:03:01 AM »
I wish I had a GSXR750. And the money and time to enjoy it.  ;)

The definition of sport bike IMHO.

It certainly does seem an excellent extension of the original CB750's intention.  :thumbsup:

That's a pretty far stretch.

Not really. Many regard the CB750 as the first super sport; the seminal "sport"-ier bike (as we know them today - high-revving I4 with good torque). The whole CBR line is an extension and refinement of that original design. The Gixxer 750 maintains that balance of original intent with a larger, torquier engine that maintains the lighter weight of the 600s.

Don't get me wrong. The original CB750 set many standards. Firstly, a 3/4 litre transverse I4. MV had already done that, but not on the scale of Honda. The GSXR750 on the other hand only epitomized the 750 sport bike of its day. The fact that it is still produced after its pedigree racing class was eliminated long ago speaks a different volume.
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2014, 02:07:16 AM »
 Had a RT in the stable here until recently. Great bike, but I still prefer the VFR.

 Lost 3rd gear in the VFR last weekend so I'm looking for something to ride while the VFR is down for repairs. There is a RC51 for sale locally for a fair price, and I'm seriously considering it. Thinking I should get something like that while I'm still young enough to enjoy it. I turn 50 in December.

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2014, 06:13:23 AM »
My vote is that you're getting old, Doug!  It's ok, sounds like you'll fit in fine around here.  ;)

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2014, 06:20:18 AM »
While I have ridden a number of times since Winter, yesterday was the first ride without worry of left over sand and gravel. My GF and I went into the mountains to a favorite road that runs along Black Canyon for a while. I notice that I'm more careful and don't get distracted at all. Still ride fast, but reign things in in areas that might have a trooper around. I turn 68 this month. So I would say that I have become more cautious with age. I used to rely on luck more and now very little.
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« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2014, 06:42:51 AM »
There is a RC51 for sale locally for a fair price, and I'm seriously considering it. Thinking I should get something like that while I'm still young enough to enjoy it. I turn 50 in December.

Ouch. 50 is the new 40, or 35 or something.....

For me, I still like to go fast, I just don't NEED to go fast anymore. What I NEED is sensible ergonomics. And better roads.
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2014, 06:58:07 AM »
There is a RC51 for sale locally for a fair price, and I'm seriously considering it. Thinking I should get something like that while I'm still young enough to enjoy it. I turn 50 in December.

Ouch. 50 is the new 40, or 35 or something.....

For me, I still like to go fast, I just don't NEED to go fast anymore. What I NEED is sensible ergonomics. And better roads.

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2014, 10:27:49 AM »
I'm 36 and I gave up aggressive street riding a long time ago.  And I generally don't pony up the funds for track days, and when I do, I'm not as good as I was when I rode aggressively, regularly.

I still have a geared-down, moto-x barred GSXR 750 and it's still a riot...but I am pretty happy riding moderately on the Guzzi.  I'm also someone more interested in what's out there than what the roads are like and where I can lean it over furthest.

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2014, 10:29:58 AM »
I'm with you. I have my ride hard, ride fast days, and my "go the hell around I'm enjoying the flowers" days. I'm perfectly ok with it. The flowers days are way more numerous than the fast days. I suspect that those are going to be the new norm now that I'm getting some surgical corrections, and may end up having to adjust what kind of bike I ride, anyway. :shrug:

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2014, 10:43:51 AM »
I refuse to grow up. I'm still drawn to riding twisties at a brisk pace. Extra points for nice scenery. It's still all about the roads for me...
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2014, 11:09:30 AM »
I refuse to grow up. I'm still drawn to riding twisties at a brisk pace. Extra points for nice scenery. It's still all about the roads for me...

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2014, 12:20:09 PM »
I refuse to grow up, but I also realize that I heal more slowly at 46 (almost 47) than when I was younger.

I assess my risks, and have fun, but have moved the risk-bar a little to keep from getting hurt.

I seldom ride aggressively on the street, and have found that trackdays help me keep the speeds down on the streets.
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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2014, 12:21:52 PM »
I refuse to grow up. I'm still drawn to riding twisties at a brisk pace. Extra points for nice scenery. It's still all about the roads for me...

Same here.  Even when I was out west doing my 4 corners loop, I was more concerned about carving up miles of canyons than I was stopping to enjoy the scenery.

I still love a brisk pace while riding.  But, I take less chances now such as aggressive multi car passes.  Also, I have no interest in track days anymore.  That's odd for me.  I've been on and off a race track for the last 16 years (2 and 4 wheels). 

All I'm trying to say is that if offered the opportunity to spend a weekend on Laguna Seca or touring a part of the country that I've never ridden before (or all that often), I'd chose the later.  That one weekend I spent on Laguna was magic and I never thought anything would compare.  I was wrong.  I fun pace on UT12 or US 550 was way more fun.

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2014, 12:48:37 PM »
I did not get my moto license until I was 38ish.  I am glad I did.  I have always been on two wheels.  Raced BMX in the 80's, raced mountain bikes in the 90's, and then I became interested in moto-touring.  I prefer the roads, scenery, and challenge of experiencing travel on two wheels.  That is why I ride.  Weekend riding is just ok but I prefer travelling.


As far as the man hormone:  Lift some heavy weights to boost your testosterone there Doug..... :gdog:  Bench press, squats, deadlifts, pullups.  That will jump start the testes.

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2014, 02:30:28 PM »
I refuse to grow up. I'm still drawn to riding twisties at a brisk pace. Extra points for nice scenery. It's still all about the roads for me...

Same here.  Even when I was out west doing my 4 corners loop, I was more concerned about carving up miles of canyons than I was stopping to enjoy the scenery.

I still love a brisk pace while riding.  But, I take less chances now such as aggressive multi car passes.  Also, I have no interest in track days anymore.  That's odd for me.  I've been on and off a race track for the last 16 years (2 and 4 wheels). 

All I'm trying to say is that if offered the opportunity to spend a weekend on Laguna Seca or touring a part of the country that I've never ridden before (or all that often), I'd chose the later.  That one weekend I spent on Laguna was magic and I never thought anything would compare.  I was wrong.  I fun pace on UT12 or US 550 was way more fun.

As we get older, we realize we will one day run out of time so try to do new things rather than experience the old ones again.

Now Doug, if you were offered a track day at say, Barber (or equivalent amazing track you've never been to), would you still rather tour?

And for whomever said track days keep you slower on the street, me too. (42 years old, first commute of the season this morning and while I was still passing the slow people, I was far from the fastest vehicle on the road.)

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Re: Function of getting older, maturing, low T, or combination?
« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2014, 02:57:25 PM »

As far as the man hormone:  Lift some heavy weights to boost your testosterone there Doug..... :gdog:  Bench press, squats, deadlifts, pullups.  That will jump start the testes.

I tossed in the low-t just to be facetious.  I'm all good in that department.   :D


Now Doug, if you were offered a track day at say, Barber (or equivalent amazing track you've never been to), would you still rather tour?


I'd rather be out and about riding twisty roads in some part of the country than doing a track day.  No time limits, no one around, no particular place to be, free. 

Track days were starting to become too much like work for me.  I need to make the rider's meeting.  Packing/unpacking trailer and bike.  How much later can I brake for that corner?  Can I get on the throttle quicker at this spot?  Why can't I find another 3/10? 

Sure, there's NO comparison for the thrill of riding on the track at and near your maximum limit and trying to push that further.  I still giggle thinking of screeming down through the Rollercoaster section at VIR where I'm hitting over 100 MPH in the last part of 17 with my knee down and setting my sights on the front stretch.  That's exhilarating! 

But, it got to be too technical for me and I wasn't enjoying it.  Being lost out on some backroads is where it's at.  The further I can get away, the better.
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