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Title: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: chornbe on November 13, 2018, 02:37:04 PM
Was talking over my current mindset about riding, spending pleasure time, working time, etc., with a friend, and came up with what amounts to perhaps a decision-making dilemma.

In light of Liz's recent crash where she was STOPPED at a red light...
Then a situation a few months back getting rear-ended while sitting at a red light (dude fell asleep in his pickup and ran right into her)...
My own crash a couple years back where, again, I was stopped and a drunk plowed into me causing me irreparable damage to my body and mind (the nightmares continue)...

Basically, I've been looking for a reason to care about riding any more, and... I'm finding damned little.

Riding around here is basically just waiting for death. Everything is so congested, and everyone's in such a hurry, and on their phones, and in their cocoons of steel and glass, full isolated from giving any fucks what's beyond their windshields. It's just scary riding around here any more.

So, we go riding in WV, and... meh.

Look, it's all lovely down there. I think most of us know that. It's great. But riding down there is literally just doing loops, and hoping I don't hit gravel and deer and asshole rednecks crossing the double yellow, and over-the-mountain torrents of rain, and deer, and then deer. I'm in constant state of... something. I don't know. Maybe it's fear, but certain hypervigilance, to the point of ruining the ride for me. It's more about obstacle and situation analysis and avoidance, and compromise, than it is about full on enjoyment.

Maybe I'm just feeling my mortality, maybe being over 50 with so much metal in my body after being nearly killed IN one of those cocoons... Maybe it's just run its course with me. Maybe I'm just scared. I keep coming back to that. I don't heal like I used to. And I don't WANT to have to heal like that any more. Maybe I'm just apathetic.

I dunno... Maybe the bike goes away in Springtime. Maybe I'll find renewed eagerness in riding. Maybe this. Maybe that. Who knows.

More importantly, who really cares? :)

Thanks for letting me whine. It's nice to get it all out.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: sleazy rider on November 13, 2018, 02:49:17 PM

I can sympathize, Chris.

After several years of over 20k miles per year on a bike, the past couple have been severely lacking.  Little to no enthusiasm or desire to go out and cross the country again to be a target on two wheels.  I've put 4k miles on the ST this year, 2900 of that in one long weekend go and a whopping 14k since purchase in April of '17.  The DR350 never left the lift and was not even started this year.  I'm wondering why they are insured, maintained and checked over regularly when they don't get used....... 


Hell, I got the van to go walkabout this past June and it's racked up an amazing 1900 miles since I bought it.  That an average of 380 miles per month or just one tank of gas per.   :shrug: 


I need an enthusiasm injection.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Cookie on November 13, 2018, 02:49:24 PM
Maybe you should buy a boat.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: bungie4 on November 13, 2018, 02:56:12 PM
Much the same boat. Very little mileage the last few years. Throw in all the same reason + weed is now legal in Canada and I expect any kind of vehicle travel to turn into an even bigger shit show...

Anyway, in the early 90's I quit riding  until 2002 because a woman aimed at me while trying to stuff me into a guardrail. No reason why.  I lost my nerve and said fuck it. I'm done.

In 2002 I woke up one morning and, with no forethought in the least, decided I had to have another bike.

Well, I'm pretty much at the same point in my life as you. I still love to travel, but I think I'm gonna buy a hightop van this coming spring and turn it into a camper. Probably sell the bike and replace it with postie bike on the van.

Do you.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Black Hills on November 13, 2018, 03:09:26 PM
Once those thoughts creep in they are not going to go away.. best of luck in whatever direction you head. Personally I could not participate in anything that I consciously thought would result in my death. But, the same thing happened to my Father and probably happens to everyone at some point.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on November 13, 2018, 03:28:57 PM
Riding around here is basically just waiting for death. Everything is so congested, and everyone's in such a hurry, and on their phones, and in their cocoons of steel and glass, full isolated from giving any fucks what's beyond their windshields. It's just scary riding around here any more.

That's how I felt when I moved to NJ: I just didn't want to ride anymore. I felt unsafe on the roads, I found the roads to be not worth it once I did get out there, and, well, I just hated being on the East Coast in general  :o

Now that I'm here, where riding is glorious, the roads are smooth and well-engineered, the drivers are aware and respectful and there is very little wildlife, I really enjoy getting out.


Maybe its time for you to hang up the helmet, but with the idea that you can always pick it up again if circumstances change. :shrug:
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: jimmy on November 13, 2018, 03:41:09 PM
Safety is an illusion.

Death happens one way or another. When it's your time to go, it's your time to go.

Fear brings chaos and your focus creates what's feared.



Security is mostly a superstition.

It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.

Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure.

Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.


Good luck with your decision!
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Vulcanbill on November 13, 2018, 04:06:30 PM
Safety is an illusion.

Death happens one way or another. When it's your time to go, it's your time to go.

Fear brings chaos and your focus creates what's feared.



Security is mostly a superstition.

It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.

Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure.

Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.


Good luck with your decision!

What are you, some kind of philosophizer?
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: viffergyrl on November 13, 2018, 04:10:27 PM
Safety is an illusion.

Death happens one way or another. When it's your time to go, it's your time to go.

Fear brings chaos and your focus creates what's feared.



Security is mostly a superstition.

It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.

Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure.

Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.


Good luck with your decision!

What are you, some kind of philosophizer?

From the mind of jimmy....
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: jimmy on November 13, 2018, 04:15:26 PM
Safety is an illusion.

Death happens one way or another. When it's your time to go, it's your time to go.

Fear brings chaos and your focus creates what's feared.



Security is mostly a superstition.

It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.

Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure.

Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.


Good luck with your decision!

What are you, some kind of philosophizer?

No sir, a bullshit artist.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Cookie on November 13, 2018, 04:18:30 PM
Safety is an illusion.

Death happens one way or another. When it's your time to go, it's your time to go.

Fear brings chaos and your focus creates what's feared.



Security is mostly a superstition.

It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.

Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure.

Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.


Good luck with your decision!

What are you, some kind of philosophizer?

No sir, a bullshit artist.

Some of have picked up on that.

(other bullshit artists)
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Vulcanbill on November 13, 2018, 04:23:39 PM
Safety is an illusion.

Death happens one way or another. When it's your time to go, it's your time to go.

Fear brings chaos and your focus creates what's feared.



Security is mostly a superstition.

It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.

Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure.

Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.


Good luck with your decision!

What are you, some kind of philosophizer?

No sir, a bullshit artist.

That's what I said.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Scratch on November 13, 2018, 04:46:47 PM
Plan B.

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Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: OldButNotDead on November 13, 2018, 05:00:56 PM
Been there several times Chris.  Last summer was just about a total waste.  Weather sucked.  Waited almost a year for MSTA's Mail Pouch Fly By and then Fall Colors rides.  Both were totally ho hum.  Factor in when you hit the pavement at 71 years of age healing time is way too long.  Put my GS up for sale yesterday.  If it sells, it sells.  If it doesn't, it doesn't.  Oh, and fear of death is not a factor.  I ride faster now than in my youth.  Mostly because the bikes are just so much better.  Also you are just so close to checking out, a couple days one way or another ain't no big deal.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: jimmy on November 13, 2018, 05:13:06 PM
Safety is an illusion.

Death happens one way or another. When it's your time to go, it's your time to go.

Fear brings chaos and your focus creates what's feared.



Security is mostly a superstition.

It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.

Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure.

Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.


Good luck with your decision!

What are you, some kind of philosophizer?

From the mind of jimmy....

Not exactly.

Security....  is attributed to Helen Keller.

Safety...  I can't remember, but may have been Einstein, Marcus Aurelius, or maybe I cleaned it off the bathroom wall of one of our restaurants 8)
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: viffergyrl on November 13, 2018, 05:18:52 PM
Safety is an illusion.

Death happens one way or another. When it's your time to go, it's your time to go.

Fear brings chaos and your focus creates what's feared.



Security is mostly a superstition.

It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.

Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure.

Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.


Good luck with your decision!

What are you, some kind of philosophizer?

From the mind of jimmy....

Not exactly.

Security....  is attributed to Helen Keller.

Safety...  I cant remember, but may have been Einstein, Marcus Aurelius, or maybe I cleaned it off the bathroom wall of one of our restaurant  8)

Still it is something you remembered.... so my comment still stands.  ;)

In any case, I happen to agree with you. But I can see where Chris is coming from. People are whack. I just think to myself - like water between the rocks, water between the rocks, just flow on by. When I stop, I check my mirrors and set myself up for an escape route.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Baxter on November 13, 2018, 05:28:25 PM
I've been thinking about your post, hoping for some amazing inspirational response to come to mind.  Nope.  Everything that pops to mind seems a bit trite.

But ... my own experience has been that I ride poorly, and have close calls, when my mind is cluttered with worries over my own safety (or even just general nonsense).  If a rider approaches riding with worry instead of calm in their mind, the worry will interfere with both the joy from the ride and also with the ability to be alert and ride safely.  That sounds like pop psychology, but I believe it is how the human mind actually reacts. 

So, maybe taking some time off this winter will be good if these events are causing you to think about crashing and you don't enjoy your ride.  Then you can return to your bike in a better frame of mind, and see if you do want to continue riding or feel like putting this away.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: chornbe on November 13, 2018, 05:30:02 PM
Heh. I don't need to be safe, generally. I wade into most things looking for the best outcome. But a neck fusion, two shoulder surgeries, five knee surgeries including two total replacements, and occasional other less serious things here and there, it's the "oh shit, if any of this breaks I'm royally screwed" thing I worry about most. Especially this damned neck fusion (which was necessary after the ex wife attacked me, but that's a whole other story). That's some scary shit going on in there.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Vulcanbill on November 13, 2018, 05:32:44 PM
you said screwed

Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: chornbe on November 13, 2018, 05:32:49 PM
So, maybe taking some time off this winter will be good if these events are causing you to think about crashing and you don't enjoy your ride.  Then you can return to your bike in a better frame of mind, and see if you do want to continue riding or feel like putting this away.

* nods *

That's kinda where I'm leaning. The bike's staying 'til spring; it's just plain stupid to try to sell it now. Who knows... maybe some good Winter vacation time off work, and puttering around the house, doing a few projects, car shopping on the shoestring budget, and generally getting out of my own head a while will be a huge blessing. And I work too much. The life of a startup guy :\
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: vfrmike on November 13, 2018, 06:15:03 PM
I personally believe in self-fulfilling prophecies, and if consumed with what-if's when riding then personally I would pass.  I am not a daily rider and I tend to pick nice days of the week and hit country roads for a few hundred miles--yes it does get boring where I reside--my solution a new to me dirt bike for forest roads and some easy single track. Throw it in the back of the truck and head to a national forest on a week day when it is empty, peaceful, and above all therapeutic (after all that's why I ride.)     
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Jim on November 13, 2018, 06:51:19 PM
Plan B.

Bonus are the models where the windshield easily folds down for air in the face.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Oddball on November 13, 2018, 08:33:02 PM
I took basically last year off.  In 2.5 years I rode 83k mile.  Last year less than 1k miles.  It, the drive to ride, was just not in me.

 I relocated to the Spokane/CdA and I'm back at 15k this year.  I can't wait for the next ride now that the days are getting shorter.  I love exploring this area, even if I've always been there once before.

Best of luck with working this out, even if it is just coming to terms with it.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: CLAY on November 13, 2018, 08:38:55 PM
I've got nothing for you.  My riding has drastically changed over the years.  9 years ago I switched to a job that was only 3 miles from where I live, so now it takes longer to gear up than get there.  My kids are at an age where I'm just more busy with them, so things have really slowed down on the two-wheeled front.

I too wonder why I currently keep the bikes I do.  One of the best things of my summer is taking the bike vacation with my buddies- that's a blast.  My love is still there, my riding time is not.  This will change.  I figure that's why I still hang on to the bikes- eventually I'll be back on them.

Give it a break- it could just come back.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Max Wedge on November 14, 2018, 05:54:55 AM

So, we go riding in WV, and... meh.



I got to this point and said to myself, "Are you kidding me? I will kill to have those roads. Come to Michigan and enjoy cornfields with one 90 degree corner every mile." I do kind of get it though, my riding is down this year for many reasons, part of which is my commute, which I loathe. But I hate it in the truck too. Then I get on on the bike, take back roads, gravel roads, or explore somewhere and I remember how much I enjoy riding. Then I imagine not having the option to ride, getting some eco-box for my 100 mile daily commute, and just going back and forth endlessly in a Corolla for the rest of my days. Why bother drawing another breath? What's the point? * Best of luck in choosing. Having stuff paid for makes keeping it easier, should you ever decide to semi-retire from riding.


* sorry- this is starting to become an existential whine-and that's my issue.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: garry on November 14, 2018, 06:12:42 AM
We all know that riding a motorcycle opens you up to injury or death if you end up  in an accident. It comes down to a risk vs reward decision. One of the ways I choose to manage risk is avoiding civilization (no commuting, errands, etc). I live on the edge of the boonies, so very little civilization between me and decent roads. Yes, the local day loops and overnighters are on familiar turf, but I'm lucky enough to have lots of options so I don't get too burned out on the same old, same old. Plus I have the dirt bike to mix things up. My miles are half of what they used to be (still about 10K/yr) though. All my riding buddies have disappeared. Riding solo isn't nearly as much fun.

It sounds like you're in a much different situation and just escaping civilization to get to decent riding has real risks. If you're not getting the joy out of riding you once did, and you feel the risks are higher than the rewards of riding, then maybe it's time to focus on some other hobby for a while. No doubt they will still sell motorcycles in a few years if/when you change your mind.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Virginian on November 14, 2018, 09:24:47 AM
Safety is an illusion.

Death happens one way or another. When it's your time to go, it's your time to go.

Fear brings chaos and your focus creates what's feared.



Security is mostly a superstition.

It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.

Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure.

Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.


Good luck with your decision!

Very accurate statement here Jimmy.

Eric
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Bounce on November 14, 2018, 09:55:04 AM
Especially this damned neck fusion (which was necessary after the ex wife attacked me, but that's a whole other story).

I remember when you were telling about some of the stuff about Whaco-Incorporated. I missed that part. I have c5,c6,c7 fusion from a get-off so that must have been some hellacious attack.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: chornbe on November 14, 2018, 12:33:20 PM
About 20 lbs worth of tools in a canvas sack at full arm swing. screwdriver went in my ear. Permanent ringing in that ear, basically deaf, another 1/2", I'd be dead. But hey... charges were dropped and it's only costing me about $100,000 in medical and rehab, but nah... I'm not bitter. :\
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: R Doug on November 14, 2018, 12:38:21 PM
Chris, you and I have chatted a bit on this.  While I noted some of the motorcycles I'd be looking at to potentially replace my 1200GS in that particular "for sale" thread, I'm not very motivated to replace the bike once it's sold.  The fact is, I'm riding less and less and enjoying doing things with my bride of 25 years like kayaking and day trips in the car.  IF ONLY she'd get on the back of the bike, things may be a little different. 

I've not aggressively listed the bike yet (i.e. craigslist and/or ADV Rider).  I plan to later in the late winter/early spring.  I will be listing some riding gear soon (mostly off road stuff). 

Perhaps someday I'll come back to riding more.  In the meantime, I'm enjoying time with Sheri.  If I have a renaissance with riding again, that's fine.  I'll cross that bridge as I come to it.  To get my fix these days, I'll continue to do what I did in Ireland a few months back, which is a fly and ride. 
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: R Doug on November 14, 2018, 12:49:24 PM
I'd like to add to my previous comment to say there is more than one reason I'm hanging it up for now.  Sure, risk/reward plays a part.  Unlike my 3 years on the Ural, I've had very few pucker moments on two wheels throughout the years and miles.  I accept the risk for the reward motorcycling gets me which includes the enjoyment of carving up twisties and mentally checking out. 

My biggest issue as of late is I'm not enjoying being on the bike UNLESS I'm in the twisties.  Lately, I have found myself getting bored during the "between the twisty" bits and have been losing focus.  There have been a few times I've caught myself wondering in the lane, which is easy to do on a bike when you're not paying attention.  Take an average 300 mile day trip and figure less than 50% (way less, most likely) is traveling on bits I really enjoy, that's increased opportunity for my mind to wonder on things it should not (like riding and keeping it between the ditches).  With this building habit in mind, I have taken a few day trips this year working on being cognizant of this drifting with the intent of fixing it.  Regardless, I still find myself bored and beginning to wonder around.  That's not good. 
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: chornbe on November 14, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Yep. Totally feel that.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: chornbe on November 14, 2018, 01:23:42 PM
And a lot of my track-oriented buddies would say that just start doing track days and get on a racing club. I get it. Pretty much non-stop twisties, and you don't *have* to compete. But... the point being missed there is holy sweet hell, does that get real expensive, real fast. And frankly, holds zero interest for me. Never has. Tracks days and parade laps wear on me pretty quickly because... well... I wanted to be out in the mountains. When even that is less appealing, there's just nothing drawing me to track days.

Again, all of that presumes affordability, which just isn't there for me.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: R Doug on November 14, 2018, 01:35:38 PM
I loved track days but I actually enjoy "going somewhere" better at 7 and 8 10th rather than going around the same corners over and over and over again at 100% of my abilities.  My problem at the track was again, boredom.  I would push myself more and more to the point I was literally "backing" it into corners as I was trained to do in Cornerspin.  Every lap involved a self-induced pucker moment for me.  Eventually, I was cruising for a bruising and as I approach 50 years of age, I realized I don't bounce back as well I did in the 30s.  :lol:


Add to that, I saw a guy lose his arm at VIR after an impact with the Armco and another gentlemen lose his life at Barber.  This was in back-to-back track day events for me just one month apart.  Both of these guys were in my advance group full of licensed racers, they were not noobs. 


Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: chornbe on November 14, 2018, 03:01:46 PM
Ouch :(
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Black Hills on November 14, 2018, 05:24:17 PM
perhaps the reason I still enjoy it is due to the fact I don't have to put up with much traffic. It irritates me that it takes 15+ minutes to get to the twisties or the trails. I can't imagine if it took hours?
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: chornbe on November 14, 2018, 07:23:21 PM
perhaps the reason I still enjoy it is due to the fact I don't have to put up with much traffic. It irritates me that it takes 15+ minutes to get to the twisties or the trails. I can't imagine if it took hours?

I don't even bother riding to the good stuff any more. I have a trailer and I'm not afraid to use it.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Cookie on November 14, 2018, 07:25:40 PM
Um, boat?
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: R Doug on November 15, 2018, 08:00:00 AM
Um, boat?


Sheri and rented a lake house a few years back and took our kayaks and mountain bikes.  We rented a bow runner for the day, it's been years since I've been on a motorboat.  Talk about boring.  I can't see spending that sort of cash for running up and down a lake.  Give me my kayak and some remote coves to explore and I'm tickled. 

That said, give me enough money to acquire a 65' Flemming to traverse the Grand Loop and I'd be in heaven.  :inlove: 
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: R Doug on November 15, 2018, 08:06:36 AM
perhaps the reason I still enjoy it is due to the fact I don't have to put up with much traffic. It irritates me that it takes 15+ minutes to get to the twisties or the trails. I can't imagine if it took hours?


When I lived in West (by God) Virginia, it took me less than that to be on excellent trails or twisities. 

Where I'm at now, it takes at least 90 minutes to get to decent twisities, two hours to the good twisites, and 2.5 hours for decent trails and fire roads.  The more frustrating thing about my closest twisities is the amount of traffic I hit once I get there.   :cromag:


I've completed so many illegal passes over the past few years, I'm surprised I've not been busted by a local or state.  There have been some close calls, but no po po has caught me in the act.  Two years back I was behind a semi and three cars.  On a short straight I was able to pass everyone hitting just over a ton doing so.  Just as I was slowing down after the pass, a state trooper came around the corner I was entering, turned on his lights, and chased me down.  I thought I was screwed.  Luckily, he let me off with a  warning.  He admitted he didn't' get me on RADAR but could tell I was exceeding the speed limit and had guessed I just passed the semi. 
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: minimac on November 15, 2018, 10:06:55 AM
If you have doubts, quit. If you're not enjoying it, quit. You'll either miss it or you won't, but a worried rider is not good for anyone. But I feel  for anyone that lets the actions of a few asswipes rob them of doing something they enjoy. Heck, I enjoy riding even if it's just to the store and back.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Black Hills on November 15, 2018, 11:06:50 AM
actually one of my favorite moments on a bike is the last corner on the way home. I do my best to back it in and wheelie out. makes me giggle every-time. my wife not so much....
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Skee on November 15, 2018, 03:05:48 PM
I'd like to add to my previous comment to say there is more than one reason I'm hanging it up for now. 

My biggest issue as of late is I'm not enjoying being on the bike UNLESS I'm in the twisties. 

Not again!

I totally empathize with you.   My only hope is we don’t lose contact.

My solution will be to try a new bike.  More about that later.   

I’ve got a good 90 minute ride until I’m in comfortably good riding territory.  There’s no fun pushing the bike out of the garage unless I’m going for at least a half day, and I need a really long day or overnight to get into anything exciting.  So by choice, I don’t get out a lot.  If you look a my ride log, I put on 5000 measly miles a year in a couple of trips of 3 to5 day each of 300 to 500 miles per day.   

You STOners could help by calling a few more spontaneous meets, like Gary did this summer.  THAT WAS GREAT.  I know I could call one myself and not really worry whether anyone showed as long as it gave me an excuse to ride somewhere over the weekend. 

Getting older has also made me look at risk differently.  Chris noticed the brake lights on my Wee this summer.  Not something he was used to seeing.  I’ve been fortunate to visit well over a dozen countries on several different continents in the last year, and that ain’t gonna happen next year if I blow the next corner.   And I start wondering if there’s a turtle or a rock and I do more than bend up a rim.  I totally appreciate where you are coming from.

I still make sure I hit the ton every day.  Won’t say anything more on a public forum, except that the f’ing cops have been most understanding. 

I’ve given it up before.  Probably won’t give it up again until I’m forced to. I recognize motorcycling for the addiction it is.  But lately I haven’t been enjoying the high as much as I used to.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: st2sam on November 15, 2018, 04:14:10 PM
 :yawn:
Oh boy, already that time of year?

Chris, Doug, I'll see youz STOners at "Skee's Spontanious Spring Meet".

And I quote,

"You STOners could help by calling a few more spontaneous meets, like Gary did this summer.  THAT WAS GREAT.  I know I could call one myself and not really worry whether anyone showed as long as it gave me an excuse to ride somewhere over the weekend."
 :beerchug:


Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: OHScot on November 15, 2018, 05:16:09 PM
Dad is never so happy as when he's looking forward to something.




Yeah the traffic is a drag and not getting any better.  But if we could avoid the weekends the resorts are a lot less crowded.

Some burn hot and out, others simmer.  Good luck with what you decide.

Me I am looking forward to riding but I don't play ricky racer on the roadway more out for the view and change of scenery.
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Post by: bungie4 on November 16, 2018, 07:22:32 AM
I've been thinking about this further since my original reply.

I'll likely end up getting a track bike to get my ya-ya's a few times a year.  That shit is fun and fuck. Not much different than riding my bike for 12-24 hours to get to twisties a few times a year.  Its just much safer.
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Post by: motociclista on November 16, 2018, 08:17:08 AM
One comment to Chris and one to the general forum community:

Chris, the knee-jerk human tendency is to tell other people they should do what we would do. If I did that in this case, I'd give you bad advice because I'm about as far as possible from your outlook. I last bought a car for my personal use in the 1980s, the average mileage on my personal motorcycles is now above 71,000 miles and I even enjoy riding over to your neighborhood every couple of months for work, despite the traffic. And, riding motorcycles is part of my job. (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/by/12-lance-oliver (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/by/12-lance-oliver)) Giving up motorcycles would leave me transportationless, joyless, hobbyless and jobless.

The point of saying all that is that although I obviously can't relate at all to the way you're feeling, I can understand. And I think you're probably right to give serious consideration to stepping away. It's not an irrevocable decision. Bottom line on any optional activity: If it's not fun, why do it. And the risk is real (though the odds can be managed a bit).

Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

General comment: Holy shit, I can't remember another motorcycle forum where so many people are thinking of giving up motorcycles. I've written a few articles in recent years about the weakness in the U.S. motorcycle industry, but this is a data point I probably haven't explored enough.
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Post by: Virginian on November 16, 2018, 08:19:43 AM
One comment to Chris and one to the general forum community:

Chris, the knee-jerk human tendency is to tell other people they should do what we would do. If I did that in this case, I'd give you bad advice because I'm about as far as possible from your outlook. I last bought a car for my personal use in the 1980s, the average mileage on my personal motorcycles is now above 71,000 miles and I even enjoy riding over to your neighborhood every couple of months for work, despite the traffic. And, riding motorcycles is part of my job. (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/by/12-lance-oliver (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/by/12-lance-oliver)) Giving up motorcycles would leave me transportationless, joyless, hobbyless and jobless.

The point of saying all that is that although I obviously can't relate at all to the way you're feeling, I can understand. And I think you're probably right to give serious consideration to stepping away. It's not an irrevocable decision. Bottom line on any optional activity: If it's not fun, why do it. And the risk is real (though the odds can be managed a bit).

Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

General comment: Holy shit, I can't remember another motorcycle forum where so many people are thinking of giving up motorcycles. I've written a few articles in recent years about the weakness in the U.S. motorcycle industry, but this is a data point I probably haven't explored enough.

Well said, very well said.

Eric
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Post by: Black Hills on November 16, 2018, 08:55:17 AM


General comment: Holy shit, I can't remember another motorcycle forum where so many people are thinking of giving up motorcycles. I've written a few articles in recent years about the weakness in the U.S. motorcycle industry, but this is a data point I probably haven't explored enough.

it would be interesting to see when those giving it up started riding. Is it a lifelong passion that fizzled out or was it just a hobby they tried out?
personally I can't ever imagine being without a motorcycle.
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Post by: viffergyrl on November 16, 2018, 10:05:09 AM
After having bunion surgery at the end of August, I finally took my first solo ride about a month ago. It was just from Santa Paula to the Ozena Fire Station (approximately Lockwood Valley Road and Hwy 33), but It. Was. Glorious. Because I could shift with my left foot without pain. Because outside. Because motorcycle.

On Monday, M.Brane and I went to Jalama Beach for a Jalama burger. That was pretty much a day ride and I was tired, but it was a great time as well.

But I don't feel the need on a vacation to waste my time on the boring straight roads of Nevada in the summer. So we have the toy hauler. Because aging and time is short.

I turned 60 on November 1. I have aches and pains, but not like Chris. I am also not an incredibly paranoid or fearful person, but I practice every day being aware of my surroundings. There are times though, when it doesn't feel 'right'. Hard to describe, but I don't get on the motorcycle when that happens.

On a side note, since I stopped watching MSM, I have greater peace of mind. I don't allow the happenings in the world live rent-free in my head. So there's that. YMMV.
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Post by: sleazy rider on November 16, 2018, 10:12:15 AM


General comment: Holy shit, I can't remember another motorcycle forum where so many people are thinking of giving up motorcycles. I've written a few articles in recent years about the weakness in the U.S. motorcycle industry, but this is a data point I probably haven't explored enough.

it would be interesting to see when those giving it up started riding. Is it a lifelong passion that fizzled out or was it just a hobby they tried out?
personally I can't ever imagine being without a motorcycle.


1973 here.  There been a running bike in my possession ever since, sometimes as high as four in the garage.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Cookie on November 16, 2018, 10:41:20 AM


I turned 60 on November 1.

Was the fire started by your birthday cake? Because man, that's a fuckton of candles.
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Post by: Bounce on November 16, 2018, 10:44:46 AM


I turned 60 on November 1.

Was the fire started by your birthday cake? Because man, that's a fuckton of candles.

Meh. (64 soon)
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: chornbe on November 16, 2018, 11:18:35 AM


General comment: Holy shit, I can't remember another motorcycle forum where so many people are thinking of giving up motorcycles. I've written a few articles in recent years about the weakness in the U.S. motorcycle industry, but this is a data point I probably haven't explored enough.

it would be interesting to see when those giving it up started riding. Is it a lifelong passion that fizzled out or was it just a hobby they tried out?
personally I can't ever imagine being without a motorcycle.

Dirt riding since ~12, though haven't really done any since my early 20s. Street riding since 16. About to turn 52. The only time I haven't had a bike was for a few years in the early 90s. I've ranged from 20k-45k/yr in my heyday. These days... I did maybe 5000 miles/yr the last couple years, most of that was after trailering to the good spots, and running the twisties. All this damned surgery and putting me back together has really change pretty much everything about my life.

Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Jay547 on November 16, 2018, 03:44:36 PM
Have you considered a dual-sport bike? Not some big, heavy adv bike but a lighter, slower, more nimble bike. Go ride country/dirt roads. Less high speeds, less traffic, any secondary road will do. And you can ride more cold days without freezing to death. I've found at my age (59) that I much prefer dual-sporting over my street bike.
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Post by: Mr. Whippy on November 16, 2018, 04:01:59 PM
I've been reading this. 

There is no right/wrong here or brave/timid.  You have a ton of miles under your belt.  It is possible that the newness has worn off and due to traffic/road conditions, the pace required to make it fun is outside of your safety zone (generally true throughout the mid-Atlantic).  If it's not as fun as other activities for you, then you're ready for a break.  It might be permanent, long term or short term.  But whatever.  As stated, life's too short to waste free time on things that aren't fun for you.

 
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Post by: vfrmike on November 16, 2018, 04:17:49 PM


General comment: Holy shit, I can't remember another motorcycle forum where so many people are thinking of giving up motorcycles. I've written a few articles in recent years about the weakness in the U.S. motorcycle industry, but this is a data point I probably haven't explored enough.

it would be interesting to see when those giving it up started riding. Is it a lifelong passion that fizzled out or was it just a hobby they tried out?
personally I can't ever imagine being without a motorcycle.

New 1967 Wards Riverside 50 (Benelli), ran the piss out of it and have loved Italian bikes ever since.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Skee on November 16, 2018, 07:42:50 PM
There are times though, when it doesn't feel 'right'. Hard to describe, but I don't get on the motorcycle when that happens.

QFT.   Maybe totally irrelevant to this discussion; QFT nevertheless
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: minimac on November 16, 2018, 09:02:13 PM
it would be interesting to see when those giving it up started riding. Is it a lifelong passion that fizzled out or was it just a hobby they tried out?
personally I can't ever imagine being without a motorcycle.
I can't either. I started racing at 12,quit at 15. Damn 8 year olds didn't realize they could get hurt, and they were running the same bikes I did but they only weighed 1/2 as much. No way I could beat them anymore. First road bike was a year old 1965 Yamaha 80, and haven't been without a bike since. I did park the Bike for two years, when I discovered the joys of motor scooters and touring on them. I now have five of the beasties, Well, I will when I get my big burger repaired. When I pulled the bike back out of mothballs, I realized I still loved riding the big bike too.
 Hell, the EX damn near killed you, and I bet you swore off women for a bit.  That changed. Maybe you'll look at riding differently in spring. Or, decide you've been there-done that, and it's time to move on. Whatever.....
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Post by: R Doug on November 17, 2018, 08:02:15 AM
Re: riding history...

I started riding when I was in grade school on a Honda 50 which eventually graduated to a Tail 70.  My cousin raced GNCC so I attended a lot of his races and had my Yamaha YZ with me to putt around.

Through high school, I only rode dirt bikes as my parents wouldn't allow me to have a street bike.  In college, I acquired a Suzuki GS and rode it home on the weekends and to my girlfriend's place.  After college, I did the cruiser thing for a few years and got bored with my friends always wanting to ride in parades and bar hop.  Eventually, I got married to Sheri who didn't like me to ride but eventually gave in and I acquired my first ever new bike, a Ducati ST3.  There has been at least 200,000 miles of great memories through the years including some epic fly and rides and attending meets.  It's at the meets where I have made friends with many on this forum.  I honestly haven't met a better group of people. 

After a run of very bad pucker moments (mostly from the sidecar and a few on two wheels, including my first ever car strike), I sold the sidecar with my wife in tears as it was loaded on the buyer's trailer.  She adored spending time with me on it and "assumed" our close calls were par for the course.  I told her I had never felt more unsafe than being on the hack.  A two-wheeled machine is was more safe, IMO.  Out of guilt for selling the hack, I reluctantly sold my motorcycle.  The gentlemen who acquired it is a lurker on this forum.  He'd tell you I couldn't see him load it up as I started to break down in tears.

Now several years after that, I have become frustrated and a bit bored with riding (most, not all of it) and feel I need a break.  My head and heart are at the same place unlike the last time I was "giving it up."  I'm sure I'll come back to it someday.  For now, it's difficult seeing the bike in the garage not being ridden. 


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Post by: sleazy rider on November 17, 2018, 10:38:17 AM
Went and pulled up my ST1300 fuel log for 2018.  Depressing, to say the least.



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Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on November 17, 2018, 10:58:09 AM
it would be interesting to see when those giving it up started riding. Is it a lifelong passion that fizzled out or was it just a hobby they tried out?

Sounds like someone needs to start a poll.....  :popcorn:
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Cookie on November 17, 2018, 11:31:22 AM
I think y'all are putting way too much though into this.

Some days I simply know that I should be on four wheels. Other days I shouldn't be on anything but two wheels. I work weekends, every weekend. For me to ride on a weekend is rare and on those times I fear for my life. I can go out of my driveway and take a left and drive for hours without seeing traffic or I can take a right and within 7 miles be in a clusterfuck. I generally choose to go left but even on those days if I shouldn't be on two wheels I know it. Don't want to ride? Don't ride. Want to sell your bike? Sell your bike. You'll want another one, you know you will. You could always buy a boat...
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Post by: tankhead on November 17, 2018, 02:32:33 PM
So I have waited to add anything to this thread until now.

I have had the exact thoughts since my month long journey this summer.  I knew going into it that it would be a make or break situation.   I really found myself a little annoyed most of the trip for the countless miles per day and yes, if it is not fun then why?  Again I knew what I was signing up for, but upon my return I just felt like there really is nothing I care to do on a motorcycle anymore, at least where I live.  So my bike has been for sale on craigslist and on ADV along with the super tenere forum for a month.  MY wife really has no interest anymore.  I don't need such a big bike.  I pulled the insurance off of it, cleaned it to its immaculate condition and now I wait.  I will not give it away and my wife doesn't think I should sell it so I will just keep the ads current on the threads and if it sells it sells.  If not then maybe in the spring I will insure it and dust off the gear and blow the stink off of me.
So there it is.
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Post by: Papa Lazarou on November 17, 2018, 03:35:39 PM
A lot of good sense on here. Except buying a boat. Don't buy a boat. They eat money and you won't use it. Unless you live on it.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: sleazy rider on November 17, 2018, 08:27:28 PM
BTDT with boats. No more.
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Post by: Cookie on November 18, 2018, 01:57:11 AM
The boat is also a long running gag here. Man, you guys need to pay closer attention.
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Post by: sleazy rider on November 18, 2018, 06:32:02 AM
The boat is also a long running gag here. Man, you guys need to pay closer attention.


Fishing for Stripers?  ;D
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: maddjack on November 18, 2018, 06:44:01 AM
I am not going to say any thing that probably hasn't been said in this thread, but my 2 cents.When you become tentative about any risky activity , whether it be motorcycle riding, rock climbing or flying an airplane , it is good to reflect on risk/reward. Also I have found that being tentative , can increase risk because it leads you to hesitate or over think things in a must do situation.Not good. i understand the disenchantment with traffic as people use their 4 wheelers in an aggressive manner  now days.I try to get out of the " shit " of congested local traffic and explore back roads much more than before.Also I have reverted into a more touring aspect of riding, meaning I want to see places, and go places , not just to turn and burn .My enjoyment of twistys is still there ,but at a more relaxed pace,I accept my aging and don't have the eagle sightlines any more.What you need to think about Chris is whether the enjoyment is still there or only the fear of what could go wrong.If you get on a bike and it just isn't fun.... then its subliminal fear, and that can kill your ass as sure as a mistake. Maybe think of other activities you enjoy or would like to try, and go to them.You can always come back to motorcycling if you have a change of heart.
Hell there are times I think driving is becoming a hazard, with all the hyperactive,self centered, crazies on the road, but I still don't have fear yet, so , onward I go.
No matter what you decide, I hope you will visit us here ,you are a good egg, and your insights are always welcome.
MJ


 
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Post by: Vulcanbill on November 18, 2018, 07:31:19 AM
Got a Honda 50 when I was 8.  Killed that poor thing but developed skills that will be with me forever.  That was reinforced when we bought the XT250s and my body knew how to do things it hadn't done in 30 years.  The XTs allowed me to harken back to my childhood when that little Honda was the best thing in my life.  I remember specifically dreaming about a day when I could just do what I wanted as an adult and now I'm literally living that dream as I can hop on the bike and zip around the property in the woods.  I can't imagine that going away.  Now, on the street, I guess I'm just lucky that I don't have that level of fear.  There are circumstances that I know are not ideal and I try to avoid them.  If I can't avoid them, I adjust accordingly as much as I can.  Case in point:  When my work schedule had me commuting during the twilight just before dawn, I was less inclined to take the bike.  Sucked cuz the ride home would have been great.  But deer movement patterns are a real thing.  There have been times when I was in the thick of it on the BRP or some reptilian named thing or just down the road in the good stuff in WV and suddenly, my brain went.  I was either tired, distracted, or got that feeling.  So, I tapped out, slowed down, and removed as much of the risk as I could for the given circumstance.  I think it was my 40th birthday trip when we were coming home and had a 1/2 day left.  It had just stopped raining, the sun was out, we were on the less twisty part of the Parkway in VA heading north.  Pace was 8 or 9 tenths and we were having a really good run.  Then, all of a sudden, I slid on some slippery mess under a tree that I should have seen.  That rattled my cage a bit and I blew a line on a turn w/ a nasty shoulder drop.  Instead of trying to be a cool guy and continuing to try to keep up for the sake of my sack, I just relaxed and dumped about 20mph till I was back in a comfortable place.  Kim dropped back and asked what was up and I told her I was done.  I couldn't maintain the level of concentration required to ride that pace for that long any more that day.  I'll see y'all at the gas station.  She opted to stay with me because it was my birthday but we let the boys go on their merry way.

My point is that instead of making sweeping life changing decisions, I simply make that process of analysis a constant thing on every ride.  I treat each ride or close call or whatever with a critical eye and that keeps me continually interested.  Right now we don't even have real bikes.  That's OK because I wanted the dream house and I needed to sell the VFR and Bandit to get a driveway built.  Hopefully soon, I will have another more street oriented bike and I will continue with the same thing that has been successful for me for these 40+ years on two wheels.  No epic declarations of intent required. 

Not riding is not an option for me. 
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Post by: Cookie on November 18, 2018, 08:11:27 AM
The boat is also a long running gag here. Man, you guys need to pay closer attention.


Fishing for Stripers?  ;D

In a manner of speaking, yes.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: minimac on November 18, 2018, 10:00:37 PM
Boat= a hole in the water that you throw money into.
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: chornbe on November 19, 2018, 04:29:32 AM
The boat is also a long running gag here. Man, you guys need to pay closer attention.

I enjoyed the ride.  :bigok:

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Post by: Cookie on November 19, 2018, 04:37:32 AM
Where has that little minx gotten off to? Is he still having a bromance with RAJ over in the bad neighborhood?
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Post by: Bounce on November 19, 2018, 09:01:25 AM
The boat is also a long running gag here. Man, you guys need to pay closer attention.

I enjoyed the ride.  :bigok:

https://youtu.be/VlMjdwb6HY0?t=73
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Post by: Cookie on November 19, 2018, 09:04:41 AM
HAH! (spit)
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Post by: OHScot on November 19, 2018, 10:26:48 AM
BTDT with boats. No more.

Ha use my boats early spring into the fall.  Waterski every week at least once.  Kayak a lot.  Pontoon with the dolts who are unable to use real boats...

Pretty low expense if you are capable, if you have a marina do your work god help you.
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Post by: sleazy rider on November 19, 2018, 12:05:20 PM
I've had several, dating back to the mid-80s.


16' Four Winns with a 115hp Evinrude
18' Glastron fishing boat I/O four cylinder
31' Marinette wood cruiser c.1959  <-most fun of all them
19' Four Winns cuddy cabin i/o


to name a few off the top of my head.  Kids loved it while growing up, but by their mid-teens, it was meh. 


I love being on the water, but I'll rent a boat for the day or week at this point.  Cheaper in the long run.
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Post by: Bounce on November 19, 2018, 09:29:33 PM
BTDT with boats. No more.

Ha use my boats early spring into the fall.  Waterski every week at least once.  Kayak a lot.  Pontoon with the dolts who are unable to use real boats...

Pretty low expense if you are capable, if you have a marina do your work god help you.

Used to water ski. In the 70s and 80s, it would cost more than an SLR camera body to drop the boat into the water for a weekend of skiing. Inflation has not changed that for the better.
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Post by: stromgal on December 02, 2018, 08:03:37 PM
Doing one of my rare drive-bys to see what's up here. Gosh, I miss the old days when I could find all the folks I enjoyed in one place...

Confess I was surprised to read the number of folks professing doubts about the 'need for speed', or, in this case, for two wheels.

I'm 67 now, been riding steadily since 1966. I've had a few medical probs that diminished my riding 'til I got things sorted out, and I've been occasionally uninspired by the local roads. But had I the money and time, I'd be riding all over the US of A, because seeing the world from the seat of a bike continues to be my favorite thing. There are times when I truly feel my age and wonder if I'm foolish riding all over the dang place by myself, but in general, I'm SO happy and grateful to still be able to enjoy motorcycling. Because I know those days *will* end at some point, sooner for me than for others.

If it don't feel right, don't do it. There is a plethora of joyful activities available, find what suits and be happy!
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Post by: Stripes on December 02, 2018, 08:27:32 PM
Amen!
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Post by: Max Wedge on December 03, 2018, 12:24:21 PM
Doing one of my rare drive-bys to see what's up here. Gosh, I miss the old days when I could find all the folks I enjoyed in one place...

Confess I was surprised to read the number of folks professing doubts about the 'need for speed', or, in this case, for two wheels.

I'm 67 now, been riding steadily since 1966. I've had a few medical probs that diminished my riding 'til I got things sorted out, and I've been occasionally uninspired by the local roads. But had I the money and time, I'd be riding all over the US of A, because seeing the world from the seat of a bike continues to be my favorite thing. There are times when I truly feel my age and wonder if I'm foolish riding all over the dang place by myself, but in general, I'm SO happy and grateful to still be able to enjoy motorcycling. Because I know those days *will* end at some point, sooner for me than for others.

If it don't feel right, don't do it. There is a plethora of joyful activities available, find what suits and be happy!

Good to see a familiar name pop up. Glad to see you are still riding. I'm 10 years behind you, but it is till my favorite way to travel, period.
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Post by: rgbeard on December 31, 2018, 04:16:14 PM
I’m figuring out my reality myself.

I like track days, and my goal is six per year.  Whether I obtain the goal or not, I at least have one.

I now hate city traffic.  After my semi-truck incident in Sep’16 and the paramedic bringing the body bag to me, city riding is, as Chris said, just waiting for death.

I loved our Monterey run we did last month.  Riding out in the California back roads is awesome and every turn was fun.

That said, I’m doing more flying lately and, as we now have our “trike”, I figure this is where a lot of my personal time will be invested.

As a side-note, today traffic scares me in a car, as well.   We are down to owning two lovely Jaguars and I get so nervous taking them out to drive.  I wonder which time will be the time the car gets totaled by the texting teen.  Our Chevy truck is getting the most driving of any of our cars.  Five years ago you could not have convinced me this would happen.

I may, or may not, get over this. 
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Post by: Jim on December 31, 2018, 07:04:25 PM
Threadjack - big thumbs up with stromgal's avatar!!

Soaking in the sights with gusto
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Post by: kneescrubber on January 12, 2019, 12:43:05 PM
Some of y’all may remember my VFR being stolen 2 1/2 years ago. Even though it was recovered the next day, the damage was more than I could afford to repair. With other life changes, I haven’t ridden since. Now, however, I have a new set of plastics and plans to get back on the road. It’s been too long. I can’t wait.
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Post by: Papa Lazarou on January 12, 2019, 12:48:31 PM
Some of y’all may remember my VFR being stolen 2 1/2 years ago. Even though it was recovered the next day, the damage was more than I could afford to repair. With other life changes, I haven’t ridden since. Now, however, I have a new set of plastics and plans to get back on the road. It’s been too long. I can’t wait.



yay!
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Post by: R Doug on January 12, 2019, 02:40:38 PM
Some of y’all may remember my VFR being stolen 2 1/2 years ago. Even though it was recovered the next day, the damage was more than I could afford to repair. With other life changes, I haven’t ridden since. Now, however, I have a new set of plastics and plans to get back on the road. It’s been too long. I can’t wait.


Where's the "like" button!?

Great news
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Post by: coho on January 12, 2019, 02:47:45 PM
Some of y’all may remember my VFR being stolen 2 1/2 years ago. Even though it was recovered the next day, the damage was more than I could afford to repair. With other life changes, I haven’t ridden since. Now, however, I have a new set of plastics and plans to get back on the road. It’s been too long. I can’t wait.


Where's the "like" button!?

Great news

Yay! No knees should go unscrubbed that long. Good news indeed.
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Post by: Virginian on January 12, 2019, 08:57:30 PM
Right on!
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Post by: CLAY on January 13, 2019, 12:10:43 PM
Fantastic news.  I am SO happy for you!  It has been far too long...
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Post by: Bryan.VFR on January 14, 2019, 07:48:39 AM
I sold my VFR last year, and gave up riding, for now. Between working two jobs, two little girls at home, I didn't have the time to really ride anymore, at least not like I wanted. Commuting wasn't cutting it anymore. But at some point, I will ride again. In a few years, once the wife is working full time again, finances are in good shape, and maybe I can quit my part time job, then I'll get another bike. I don't want to have to wait till I retire, that's still another 12-13 years away. But it may be 3-5 years before I ride again.  :(
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: Virginian on January 14, 2019, 01:23:18 PM
I sold my VFR last year, and gave up riding, for now. Between working two jobs, two little girls at home, I didn't have the time to really ride anymore, at least not like I wanted. Commuting wasn't cutting it anymore. But at some point, I will ride again. In a few years, once the wife is working full time again, finances are in good shape, and maybe I can quit my part time job, then I'll get another bike. I don't want to have to wait till I retire, that's still another 12-13 years away. But it may be 3-5 years before I ride again.  :(

Then you should come down my way and I'll have something for you to ride from time to time.  8)
Title: Re: And while Garry goes shopping, Chris considers selling...
Post by: minimac on January 14, 2019, 09:16:00 PM
Maybe time to pick up a cheap, old, scooter...you know, just to keep your hand in it. They're great for running errands,  quick trips to the store, cross country, etc.