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Off Topic Discussion / Re: COVID-19 Video
« Last post by R Doug on August 06, 2020, 11:25:06 AM »


To my way of thinking, the US should be the stand-out example of the best way to do it; not a patchwork quilt of hit-or-miss approaches.

i'm more along the lines that each state should be able to set it own course and direction (similar to any other national disaster handling like hurricanes, floods, etc..). They should know best what's right for their people but have data and assistance from the Fed, as needed.  But, now the Trump Administration is having all data go to some independent company for compilation and leaving the states in the dark.  For a guy who also says he believes in the rights of states, he's not showing it by this action.  (sorry to get a bit political here).


 :facepalm: :facepalm:


https://khn.org/news/trump-administrations-sudden-shift-on-covid-data-leaves-states-in-the-lurch/
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Off Topic Discussion / Re: COVID-19 Video
« Last post by Eh2zed on August 06, 2020, 11:23:36 AM »
I'm not an apologist for the US.  But, it appears to be getting slammed a bit in this thread. 


Europe has 51 countries with a population of about 740 million.
The USA is about 330 million.
European deaths about 200,000  706,000
US deaths about 160,000.
If you use the European ratio then there’s about 65,000 too many deaths in the USA. Why? I’m not sure but I’m getting it’s the masks. I still have no clue about the Germany/France difference either. 30,000 dead French. Less than 10,000 Germans. Germany even has 20,000 more cases than France. So ?????


FTFY

USA Population 330 million.  Agreed
European Population 740 million.  Agreed

USA COVID Cases To Date 4.8 million
European COVID Cases To Date 18.8 million 
The number of cases per million in the US is 1.7X better than Europe

USA COVID Deaths To Date 159K 
European COVID Deaths To Date  706K   
The number of deaths per million in the US is 2X better than Europe

Uh no. European deaths just over 202k.
706 is total worldwide deaths
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Off Topic Discussion / Re: COVID-19 Video
« Last post by Skee on August 06, 2020, 10:27:26 AM »
Freedumb!
+1

:lol:



...the rate of new cases has started to decrease.


There's something about this chart that's a bit deceiving in comparing the US to the world (or, a hand full of countries representing the world).  While I don't doubt the chart's data, the US is not THAT bad compared to those countries. 



I'm with you on that; there is no single chart that provides a fair comparison because everyone is reporting numbers differently.  In one graph, number of deaths per infections, points in a different direction than number of infections per 100k tested.  (Insert quote attributed to Mark Twain here.)  Compare NY to CA, or CT to FL, or NH to AZ.  Do you see any trends?

To my way of thinking, the US should be the stand-out example of the best way to do it; not a patchwork quilt of hit-or-miss approaches.

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Gear and Apparel / Re: New glove time
« Last post by Papa Lazarou on August 06, 2020, 10:18:45 AM »
Held are probably the best. Summer or winter?

I trust Ride magazine's reviews and they list these, amongst others:

Winter:
Richa Arctic
Richa Street Touring
Held Twin

All season:
Richa Hurricane
Held Revel

Track/ summer:
RST Tractech Evo
Racer high Speed
Richa Tiran
Knox Handroid
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Off Topic Discussion / Re: COVID-19 Video
« Last post by zer0netgain on August 06, 2020, 10:08:08 AM »
Virginia is now the first state to implement a contact tracing mobil app.

https://richmond.com/news/virginia/watch-now-add-your-phone-to-the-covid-fight-virginia-rolls-out-new-app-to/article_abe4a02f-f52e-5f77-8ed1-8dfdce1f30d7.html

My employer (state agency) just sent an e-mail on that.  I will not participate.  Since they don't own my phone, they can't force me to install it.
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Gear and Apparel / Re: New glove time
« Last post by Black Hills on August 06, 2020, 09:39:48 AM »
I have a pair of MotoGP branded gloves (not sure who makes them) that seem to be almost as good as the Held's at 1/5 the price? I can't seem to find them online? I'm sure I got them as closeouts at newenough?
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Off Topic Discussion / Re: COVID-19 Video
« Last post by Black Hills on August 06, 2020, 09:37:37 AM »
I'm doing the same as Doug. I have gone out to my local bar, handful of people, but other than that avoiding other people for the most part. My wife is an ICU nurse and just got her first COVID patient last week, I probably have a greater risk of getting it from her than anywhere else.

She did have an interesting take on the hydroxychloroquine debate. her opinion* is that while the CDC is correct that it does nothing against the virus it does treat the symptoms (inflammation in the lungs), so basically it won;t keep you from getting the virus but it very well may save your life if you are one of the rare cases that end up in ICU. A few other COPD drugs work this way as well. misinformation (social media) due to politics seems to be the biggest problem we have.

p.s. I will be avoiding all public contact during the rally.  ;)
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Off Topic Discussion / Re: COVID-19 Video
« Last post by R Doug on August 06, 2020, 09:28:29 AM »
And, FWIW, while I believe in the freedom of individuals, my choice is mask all the time, avoid large gatherings (including neighborhood dinners we've been invited to), and give  :facepalm: every time I see those around me going to vacation and eating dinner in crowded places, those attending my church, and those who constantly run out to go shopping in this environment.  Their choice.  But, the US does appears to be doing better than Europe as a whole and I'm sick of the, "you all are a bunch of backward hicks." 


Now, truth be told, why am I avoiding getting the virus? Well, I have one major and one minor reason. The major is my 80 year old mother in law lives with us and we take care of her.  We can't afford to get it and pass it on to her.  Second, I do have a friend my age that is still recovering since March from COVID and appears to have permanent lung damage.  While that may be an outlier, it's not fun to watch.

Statistically, I'm nearly 50.  My likelihood of having any complications with this virus is nearly equal to that of the bad flu.  And, once you start looking at those younger, the odds of complications is LESS than that of the flu.

People should be educate themselves and make wise decisions.  If I'm a baby boomer and still want to attend Sturgis this year, that's not an informed / educated decision.  YMMV
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Off Topic Discussion / Re: COVID-19 Video
« Last post by Black Hills on August 06, 2020, 09:27:23 AM »
it's an odd case for sure. seems political affiliation is the determining factor in how one feels the pandemic is affecting the US.
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