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The Lounge => Off Topic Discussion => Everything Guns => Topic started by: 1KPerDay on July 27, 2020, 12:19:19 PM

Title: "What does breaking the 180 mean?" or: how to get DQ'ed from a handgun match
Post by: 1KPerDay on July 27, 2020, 12:19:19 PM
Thought this might be useful for new shooters or those who haven't shot in this type of "practical" competition before. My son and I shot a local match last weekend and it was his first.

We had drilled the range commands previously, and practiced shooting and moving to different positions safely, and emphasized finger well outside the trigger guard and muzzle well downrange during movement.

The first two stages he shot well and moved safely and carefully, but on the third there was a bit of a challenge with the 180 due to a barrier on the left and a required position forward of the position to the left and rearward of the barrier.

As he moved back/left, he kept both hands on his pistol and the muzzle moved past the 180-degree line that is generally considered safe (unless the stage briefing specifically dictates otherwise and there are markers to indicate muzzle safe points).

The SO was behind him and didn't see the violation, but I did, and since it was something we'd specifically gone over during the walkthrough (and because he did indeed break the 180), I chose to have him DQed for the match. He took it well, and I hope he learned.

It's difficult to understand what it's like when the beeper/timer goes off in a match unless you've done it. Your IQ drops by 50 points when the adrenaline hits.

Anyway, here's a video for any interested.

https://youtu.be/P8tMjYJZBW8
Title: Re: "What does breaking the 180 mean?" or: how to get DQ'ed from a handgun match
Post by: garry on July 27, 2020, 01:10:00 PM
I've never shot in a competition or even attempted any "practical" stuff so color me totally ignorant. I watched the video and don't understand where the 180 line you're talking about is. Parallel to orange barrier he was moving along?
Title: Re: "What does breaking the 180 mean?" or: how to get DQ'ed from a handgun match
Post by: 1KPerDay on July 27, 2020, 01:19:27 PM
Good question. The 180 is almost always a "moving" 180, which is parallel to your position as you move forward and back within the shooting bay. So from your position, straight out to your sides. So you generally can move your muzzle and shoot any targets that are within that 180 degree arc in front of you and to your sides, but not AT ALL behind you. so the 180 degrees behind you are verboten. The 180 is relative to the bay, not to your face. In other words, it can slide forward and back within the bay as your position changes, but as you rotate the gun left and right, the 180 doesn't rotate. Does that make sense?

As right handed shooters move to their left, particularly when reloading, they have a tendency to bring their muzzle back past that 180. Rifle shooters running with both hands on the gun often bump up against and past the 180 and get DQed.
Title: Re: "What does breaking the 180 mean?" or: how to get DQ'ed from a handgun match
Post by: Bounce on July 28, 2020, 09:24:47 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: "What does breaking the 180 mean?" or: how to get DQ'ed from a handgun match
Post by: Leanintree on August 03, 2020, 09:21:58 AM
Good call Jeff, and good lesson to the youngun (<-- see what i did there?) that breaking the rules doesn't mean just not getting caught by the man. If he learned from it, it was way better now than later.

LT