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Title: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on June 24, 2019, 09:44:08 AM
Several people have acquired new or new to them camping toys recently.  Show us how you do it so that others may use this thread as motivation and/or information for their research. 

My rig is a 25 foot Flagstaff Mini Lite 25BHS.  It weighs 5200 lbs dry and I pull it with a half ton hemi ram with ease.  This is a new 2019 model we bought last year in Michigan.  Kim calculated yesterday that it's been used 34 nights so far.  Our previous rig was a 2007 Holiday Rambler Aluma-lite 8310.  31 foot long bunkhouse that weighed 4700 lbs dry.  We pulled that thing ~45K miles around the country and killed it good being the newbs that we were.  Hopefully the new one will fare better since we have an idea of what we're doing now. 



Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Leanintree on June 24, 2019, 11:44:58 AM
I'll start  (since I think I may have helped spawn this...).

1st camper of any type. I vaguely remember getting lucky in a camper when I was like 22... but that memory is pretty hazy. Beyond that, the Mrs. and I have been staunch tent campers for... well, EVER. Load up the truck, play tetris to get everything to fit, and head into the back country. Preference was always for undeveloped disbursed camp sites, second to developed disbursed. Over the years, our tent grew to a 10x12 monstrosity with a double thick queen air mattress, rug, chair and table. At a weight and space penalty.

This year, the Mrs. conceived a need for the next step. Enter our newest acquisition of a 2016 Forest River Rockwood hardside popup, model A122SXR. Perfect for just the wife and I, and readily pulled by my 20yr old F150. We chose to err on the side of caution for towing weight due to the age of my truck, but it seems fairly appropriate. Dry weight 2200, GVWR at 3700.

As purchased, I think the dealer didn't read the data plate too well since they didn't differentiate it as the SRX model. Only differences were a built in 3 in. lift, 15in tires (up from 13), and a double step instead of a single. But the lift and tires were paramount for us, giving us at least the illusion of access to the disbursed camping we prefer.

Replaced the crap camper mattress with a memory foam/gel unit, sourced a half umbrella and loaded it with most of our old gear. Seemed to do fairly well this weekend with 4in of snow on the second day of summer...

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Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: BuckeyeRider on June 24, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
I've been living full-time in a 24" Coachmen Class C RV for three years now. I mostly slow-travel - stay a month at a time in established RV parks, as you can get a much cheaper rate by the month. I still work, so a month gives me three weekends to explore the area before I have to take off again.

In between locations, I try to stay a week or two in state parks, national forest, national recreation areas, army corp conservation camps and the occasional BLM land. I've found a few parks maintained by cities and counties as well, and some of those are really nice (and cheap).

Winters in S Texas, spring in Alabama/Georgia/NC/VA/KY/TN, summer in Ohio, end of summer start heading south again. This year, I'm leaving Ohio early (visiting with kids and family) and I think I'm going to head to the mountains in New Mexico again. High enough elevation that it doesn't get too hot and much less humid than the midwest.

I'm toying with spending the next winter in Baja, but I need to sort out my solar and figure out how I'd get enough data to keep working.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Dketchum on June 24, 2019, 04:06:39 PM
Been camping for over 50 years...as a kid with parents in holiday rambler pull behind. Have Motocamped since I was 17.  Had a Coleman pop up when the kids were younger..did lots of trips pulling it with an underpowered Dodge caravan 😒 then got a gmc jimmy and was much better off.
Spent many years pulling a small pop up behind my Goldwing..now if I motocamp, it’s a tent with my Versys 1000. 

Have a 2016 19 foot Jayco that we pull behind my Nissan Frontier with 4.0 V6..pulls it great..we mostly go to my sons farm in east texas, set up next to one of the ponds, fish and hang with the grandkids and the ducks...
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: mr.awesome on June 25, 2019, 11:52:57 AM
I'm currently using my 1991 visa slate 3-3/8" for camping. I hand it to the hotel clerk and they promptly set me up with a well appointed room. It usually has breakfast included as well. Trying to find a parking space for it or navigating through city traffic is effortless no matter what vehicle I use to tow it.  :blbl:
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Leanintree on June 25, 2019, 11:57:39 AM
That doesn't work some of the places we go...  ;D ;)
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Andrew on June 26, 2019, 11:48:40 AM
Just beginning the back up before heading 0ut next week.
  The family likes having a pop-up. We tried tent camping, the tent did not suit the wife, something about sleeping on the ground Bla Bla Bla..  The pop-up is a 2010 Coleman by fleetwood Carmel. I am currently towing with my dodge ram 2500 diesel w/6 speed. Truck does not even notice the trailer.
  Heading out for a week and a half, up the CA coast camping on the beach with the destination of Diamond lake Or. We do this trip once a year. Bike riding, fishing, swimming and campfires in the evening basically lots of time with the kids. Kids are stoked on the upcoming trip
 The family did the camping thing when I was a kid, up till I was 12 then the folks gave up on taking time off with my sister and I. Me I enjoy the time away from home with the family, and we get to travel on the cheap. Been camping to all the western states as far east as Wy and CO.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Black Hills on June 26, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
Comfort Inn typically works good for me. Depending who I'm with I spend a few nights of a trip in a tent, but usually get a room every other night or so, a comfy bed, hot shower, and nice meal are all things I enjoy. As far as staying in one place and taking day rides I still prefer getting a room. Mostly because I don't do it often enough to justify a camper. Perhaps when I retire things will change?
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Eh2zed on July 18, 2019, 06:55:48 PM
We bought a new 2006 Fleetwood Nitrous 26' toy hauler. Since then we've taken it to Florida 7 times, Quebec twice, Nova Scotia twice and Montana via Wisconsin. We're going back to Nova Scotia next week. It's a terrific unit. I just ride the bike in and strap it down and off we go.
Our favourite destination is the area around the south end of the Blue Ridge parkway. Maggie Valley is a fabulous place to use as a departure point. We've crossed the mountains, up to Clingmans dome, down to Townsend TN and done the Parkway over to 129 and back to Maggie Valley.
We've met some terrific friends so for us the RV is as much fun as the bike.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Jay547 on July 22, 2019, 12:50:40 PM
We've been looking at toy haulers the last couple of years but haven't yet taken the plunge. I would like to take three bikes (two dual-sport, one street) but between that and all the comforts that she wants, we get into the ones that are too large for our truck to pull. I've considered just a travel trailer but I'm not a fan of the bikes being outside all the time. I could buy a better truck but then I wouldn't be able to afford a camper. This will be a one-time thing so I want to get it right.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on July 22, 2019, 02:36:44 PM
We've been looking at toy haulers the last couple of years but haven't yet taken the plunge. I would like to take three bikes (two dual-sport, one street) but between that and all the comforts that she wants, we get into the ones that are too large for our truck to pull. I've considered just a travel trailer but I'm not a fan of the bikes being outside all the time. I could buy a better truck but then I wouldn't be able to afford a camper. This will be a one-time thing so I want to get it right.

BTDT, had the conversations, weighed the advantages, considered all options and we ended up with a standard truck/trailer combo.  Small enough bikes that 2 fit in the back and boosted the truck w/ some airbags and all is well.  Sounds like you want a unicorn.  You need to decide on which little white horse you can really live with.  Three bikes?  That's just greedy.  :) 
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: mr.awesome on July 27, 2019, 08:26:01 AM
I would like to take three bikes (two dual-sport, one street)

Get some SM wheels for one of the dual sports. Conversion only takes about a half hour once you've done it a time or two. That would let you get by with a smaller rig. Just a thought.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on August 01, 2019, 10:37:42 AM
Still haven't used the pop up, but the camper van is together enough for an overnight stay headed to Vermont next week.  Tested out the fold up memory foam mattress one night while the wife was gone and it's more than comfy.  Installed the van table this morning!  I've got a reserved site north of Binghamton, NY at Chenango Valley State Park with electricity to entertain myself with a mini-tv and portable digital antenna.  Mutts got to try out their sleeping accommodations on the way to the groomer this morning and they approve. 
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Leanintree on August 01, 2019, 02:03:27 PM
Got out of the heat last weekend. 90+ at home, low 50s an hour away. Good choice of site meant no OHV shenanigans. Rain on Saturday afternoon, but it was ok, felt good. Checked out the fire spotter tower for giggles. I won the 'built when' contest with 1960s.

Good way out of town for a couple nights.

LT

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Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Papa Lazarou on August 01, 2019, 02:36:14 PM
you are all totally off your tiny minds
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Leanintree on August 01, 2019, 06:30:47 PM
you are all totally off your tiny minds


In training to be Travellers...

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Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on August 06, 2019, 05:29:31 PM
Yeah, that night of van camping?  It’s pouring rain.  Took the alternative with dogs - Motel 6.   :bluduh:
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on August 07, 2019, 07:55:08 AM
Adversity recounted at leisure...
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on August 07, 2019, 08:23:45 AM
Adversity recounted at leisure...


It started raining, nay, deluging when I hit the western PA border and was semi-regular after that till I stopped in Binghamton.  Thunder and lightning while I checked in. 
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Eh2zed on August 07, 2019, 04:34:23 PM
So after a day of riding it's so nice to come back to the trailer and this view.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: smoker on August 08, 2019, 08:44:55 AM
Mrs. Smoker and I recently bought our second trailer, a 2012 First River mini lite 21'. We had a Jayco 18' trailer a few years ago and sold it to purchase a house, but we have wanted another since. I contacted VulcanBill because I knew he has quite a bit of experience with this and he was very helpful in helping us pick the right trailer with the right layout. We took it to the beach this past weekend and it worked perfectly.

My F150 tows it with no issue.

Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: bungie4 on August 09, 2019, 07:04:32 AM
I'm off to Yosemite in Sept followed by Maggie Valley NC on the return trip. I'm trailering the bike on this trip (wah wah... I've paid my dues) and was intending on purchasing a truck cap for my Tacoma and sleep in the back.

Didn't happen. Truck caps new are $4000+, used ones $1000+, crap ones $500+

So my Tacoma is up for sale and I've bought a Rav4. My wife has one and we've slept in the back together a few times. It's cozy. With just me in the back should be no problem.  Theirs other benefits to the vehicle swap and it should be wash financially.

I looked and test drove Promaster City's and Transit Connects.  The City, other than made by a company I haven't trusted in decades was a strong contender.  The money almost went down on the Connect until I found out about the driveline recall (return vehicle every 38Km for replacement transaxle parts instead of a new part fixing it once and for all) - no thanks.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on August 23, 2019, 01:33:48 PM
Finally gonna pop the cherry on the pop-up!  Got a week at NAS Pensacola, FL booked for mid-September followed by a week in Savannah, GA with it.  Stay tuned, there might be more directly after that.   ;D   It's good to be fully retired at this point.  Work suxors schweddy donkey gonads.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: 1KPerDay on August 23, 2019, 04:07:01 PM
I'm currently using my 1991 visa slate 3-3/8" for camping. I hand it to the hotel clerk and they promptly set me up with a well appointed room. It usually has breakfast included as well. Trying to find a parking space for it or navigating through city traffic is effortless no matter what vehicle I use to tow it.  :blbl:
i lol'ed
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Eh2zed on August 25, 2019, 04:41:31 PM
This is how we roll
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 01, 2019, 10:04:15 AM
Finally gonna pop the cherry on the pop-up!  Got a week at NAS Pensacola, FL booked for mid-September followed by a week in Savannah, GA with it.  Stay tuned, there might be more directly after that.   ;D   It's good to be fully retired at this point.  Work suxors schweddy donkey gonads.


I love hurricanes.  I especially love them when they go in other directions.  :angry: Cancelled the southern reservations and am headed north into Michigan instead.  Tomorrow!  Busy getting all the goodies to eat together and throwing clothes in a bin.  Waterfront site in Sebewaing, Michigan at Sebewaing County Park.  Action shots to follow.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 02, 2019, 02:07:23 PM
2003 Coleman Carmel in use.  Me n da mutts are on the Lake Huron shoreline just kickin’ it till Friday morning.  Already scoped out town. Great pizza joint, TWO!! ice cream shops and a good groceries store. 


Once they finish the grass cutting, we’re going walking to check this place out too.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Virginian on September 02, 2019, 03:38:46 PM
Looks awesome! Enjoy.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: smoker on September 02, 2019, 05:36:55 PM
Had a great time exploring the Finger lakes this weekend.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Virginian on September 02, 2019, 06:16:13 PM
Looks amazing Smoker! Super glad to see you enjoying the camper.

Eric
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: bungie4 on September 03, 2019, 07:20:10 AM
Heading out to Yosemite then onto Maggie Valley on Saturday. Trip should be close to 10KM, about 6000 miles.  The original plan was to buy a truck cap for Tacoma and sleep in the back while I trailer my bike.  Turns out, truck caps are close to $5000 new. Used ones were going for $1200.  Still way out of my price range.  With less than a month to go with no solution in place, I decided I'd flip the truck for something I could camp in. Which was a longer term plan anyway.

I went and looked at Transit Connects and Promaster Cities.  After looking at the reliability and recalls of both, despite how they drove (I tested several) I decided they wouldn't be wallet friendly over the next few years (the transits have a recurring recall!).  My wife has had a RAV4 since 2014 and it's been a tank, we've even slept in the back of it a couple of times. 2 ppl, you'd better be REALLY good friends!

Theirs no shortage of RAV4 around here and I found a low mileage unit (52KM/30,000 miles) for a good price.  I pulled the trigger on it and sold the Tacoma privately for 5K less than I paid for it, 5 years ago.  The purchase of the RAV and installing a trailer hitch on it turned out to be a total wash as fare as money goes. Can't beat that! Ongoing, I no longer have loan payments of the Tacoma. Even better deal!

It's gonna be a long week as I'm excited to get on the road.  Line, my wife, is flying down to Charlotte and I'm supposed to drive across the country from Cali to be there in time to pick her up.  I've made some alternate plans to have her picked up at the airport should anything delay me.  Anyway, 10 days sleeping in the back of the RAV... this outta be interesting.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on September 03, 2019, 09:08:27 AM
Looks amazing Smoker! Super glad to see you enjoying the camper.

Eric

x10  Love it!!
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 03, 2019, 10:02:42 AM
Had a great time exploring the Finger lakes this weekend.


Very nice and a fun area to visit.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: viffergyrl on September 03, 2019, 11:48:07 PM
Hokay. About time I posted in this thread. I don't have a full picture of our rig; I'll rectify that in the next couple of weeks (more on that later).

Back in May, we trekked down to Borrego Springs (Anza Borrego State Park) and stayed at the Palm Canyon Hotel and RV Resort. It was the week before Memorial Day weekend and in general, it's supposed to be kinda of hot in the desert. In fact the 'season' is October to April. The resort's restaurant was already closed. However, we had a cool spring in SoCal. In fact it was quite windy and cool. Three and half thousand feet above the desert is Ranchita - fecking 40 degrees and raining. It's snowing on Mount Palomar. WTF?

Guess who didn't bring their rain gear OR their Gerbings? Not like we don't have the room.... Gaah. We are sooooooo lame.

So here's a picture of the weather from our spot in the desert. This is looking west up Montezuma grade (a very fun piece of asphalt - County road S22)
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And here we are all cozy and shit with the bikes, waiting to see if the weather improves.
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We did manage to get out and go to Palm Desert for lunch (https://www.grill-a-burger.com/ (https://www.grill-a-burger.com/)) and then up the Granny Knot (CA HWY 74), south on 371 through Anza to CA 79 through Warner Springs to S2 and S22. And yes, freezing my a$$ through Ranchita, CA. Also known for a Yeti statue outside the general store.

Looking back from whence we came....
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Oh... and on the way back home this happened:
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Only. One. More. Chinese. Tire. To. Kill. Off. Replacing with Goodyear Endurances.

Hopefully in a couple weeks, I'll get a full picture of the rig. M.Brane is a member of the Caltrans climbing team... What?! Caltrans has a climbing team?! Why yes. All volunteer but get paid extra. If you follow Mike Rowe's 'Someone's Gotta Do It', he did a segment on what these guys do. In any case, all team members need to take a refresher course up at the CalTrans yard in Kingvale, CA. This yard is along I-80 and is hopping in the winter - 24/7 with snow plows, etc. Gotta keep that interstate commerce going. But in the summer, it is used as a training center.

We'll be staying in Truckee and then after M.Brane's course, we'll pull up stakes and head up to Redding for about 8 days. M.Brane's offspring is playing football for Shasta College so we'll be visiting with him and exploring the beautiful roads of NorCal with Mountain Gate RV Park as our base camp.

Stay tuned.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Cookie on September 04, 2019, 03:56:35 AM
Y'all are making me think that I'm missing out.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 04, 2019, 07:58:55 AM
*sigh*


It's been a rather dreary trip so far.  Rain, high winds and gloomy.  Been watching too much tv to kill time between dog walks.  lol 


Since this is just as a shakedown to test the stuff in the camper, I may go home this afternoon instead of waiting till Friday.  Maybe the county park will give me a credit for the two nights left for next spring.  Get home, set up this camper and re-clean it thoroughly.  When I opened the outside awnings for the first time, they were rather, umm, filthy.  I'll set up the screen room and look it over good too. Everything works as it should, so that's the good news.  My little electric space heater warms up the entire camper from 50* nicely and quick.  Mattresses are comfy for me.


I think I'm gonna sell this camper, chalk it up to a great memory of times past with the kids growing up and go find a nice motor home instead.  More space, amenities and storage capacity are the draw.  Negative will be the gas mileage. 
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on September 04, 2019, 09:07:05 AM
Y'all are making me think that I'm missing out.

Don't make me post another link to my 10 year old blog. 

You are missing out.  We've done the math and it's the cheapest way to travel.  With your schedule, you are a prime candidate for this lifestyle. 
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on September 04, 2019, 09:09:36 AM

 go find a nice motor home instead.  More space, amenities and storage capacity are the draw.  Negative will be the gas mileage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtCHWvYl94 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtCHWvYl94)

Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: bungie4 on September 04, 2019, 09:59:17 AM

 go find a nice motor home instead.  More space, amenities and storage capacity are the draw.  Negative will be the gas mileage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtCHWvYl94 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtCHWvYl94)

My wifes aunt an uncle have a unity with a murphy bed (last years model).  Its a raging pile of shit.  Its spent far more time in the shop than on the road.  They ended up canceling, I believe, 3 trips, and have no faith at all that it'll be trustworthy any time in the future.  It'll be for sale in the spring once its out of the shop AGAIN.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: viffergyrl on September 04, 2019, 10:36:20 AM
Y'all are making me think that I'm missing out.

 :lol:

Yeah, there's nothing like getting a flat on a Los Angeles freeway, carefully pulling off, and then trying to find a place to change it. We ended up in a cul-de-sac backed up to the freeway and M.Brane had to turn around by backing the trailer down an alley. It was somewhat shaded but not enough. I bought a golf umbrella afterwards to carry in the trailer. Fortunately, there was cold water in the fridge. Yes. I will be M.Brane's brolly girl.

Also, there is nothing like changing a trailer tire in Baker, CA during the summer or fixing a trailer suspension in a gas station in Jean, NV at 2:30am. It's only 90 degrees then. You don't even have to turn on the hot water heater for a shower....

The more work you can do yourself, the better.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: mr.awesome on September 04, 2019, 11:28:59 AM

 go find a nice motor home instead.  More space, amenities and storage capacity are the draw.  Negative will be the gas mileage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtCHWvYl94 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtCHWvYl94)


You had me sold till i saw how slow the recliners opened.  ;D
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 04, 2019, 12:15:33 PM

 go find a nice motor home instead.  More space, amenities and storage capacity are the draw.  Negative will be the gas mileage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtCHWvYl94 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtCHWvYl94)




Yeah, no.  Way out of this old retiree’s price range.  I’ll be doing used, but not used up.  30-35 footer hopefully with a super slide and minimally a queen bed.  Probably tomorrow, I’ll hit up the local RV lot and do some non-serious browsing of units.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on September 04, 2019, 02:09:49 PM
Y'all are making me think that I'm missing out.

 :lol:

Yeah, there's nothing like getting a flat on a Los Angeles freeway, carefully pulling off, and then trying to find a place to change it. We ended up in a cul-de-sac backed up to the freeway and M.Brane had to turn around by backing the trailer down an alley. It was somewhat shaded but not enough. I bought a golf umbrella afterwards to carry in the trailer. Fortunately, there was cold water in the fridge. Yes. I will be M.Brane's brolly girl.

Also, there is nothing like changing a trailer tire in Baker, CA during the summer or fixing a trailer suspension in a gas station in Jean, NV at 2:30am. It's only 90 degrees then. You don't even have to turn on the hot water heater for a shower....

The more work you can do yourself, the better.

It's called ADVENTURE!!
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 07, 2019, 09:06:56 AM
And it's time to go in a different direction.  Once it sells, I'm going used Class A hunting.  Hope it moves quick, cuz I would love to spend some of the winter in the south at a military campground.  Much more space than this popup is needed for me and da mutts for regular, long term use.


https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/rvs/d/white-lake-2003-coleman-carmel-pop-up/6973369094.html
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: st2sam on September 08, 2019, 06:37:43 AM
  Once it sells, I'm going used Class A hunting.

https://scranton.craigslist.org/rvs/d/kunkletown-1989-winnebego-chieftain-33/6954780715.html



Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 08, 2019, 07:00:15 AM
  Once it sells, I'm going used Class A hunting.

https://scranton.craigslist.org/rvs/d/kunkletown-1989-winnebego-chieftain-33/6954780715.html (https://scranton.craigslist.org/rvs/d/kunkletown-1989-winnebego-chieftain-33/6954780715.html)


I'm watching a couple several years newer, about the same miles and with super slides locally for about that price.  As soon as this one goes away, I'll get serious on the hunt.  I should be able to put half down on the price range I'm setting - about $11k all in.


https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/rvs/d/motorhome-1996-winnebago-adventurer/6954259993.html (https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/rvs/d/motorhome-1996-winnebago-adventurer/6954259993.html)


https://annarbor.craigslist.org/rvs/d/clinton-ft-condor-super-slide-class/6972179163.html (https://annarbor.craigslist.org/rvs/d/clinton-ft-condor-super-slide-class/6972179163.html)


Obviously, I'd need to dig into these before plunking down cash.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 10, 2019, 11:32:21 AM
Well, hopefully it's that easy.  Got an email late last night, responded this morning and the couple are coming to look at it with cash this afternoon.  It's all shined up, awnings are bright white with green stripes again and the inside smells like new.  /fingers crossed


Hell, if the come up with the cash, they can have all the camping supplies I've accumulated.  Dishes/pots/pans/coffee pot/microwave and new bedding.  Damn near everything to just hook up and go.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 10, 2019, 07:14:55 PM
It was that easy.  :wings:  Guy came up, did a full walkaround, looked under it, we went thru how everything was working and SOLD!  Going to the Secretary of State tomorrow to do all the title transfer stuff and hand it off.  Bank account will be much fatter tomorrow.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Eh2zed on September 10, 2019, 07:45:15 PM
Nice.👍
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on September 11, 2019, 12:19:00 PM
It was that easy.  :wings:  Guy came up, did a full walkaround, looked under it, we went thru how everything was working and SOLD!  Going to the Secretary of State tomorrow to do all the title transfer stuff and hand it off.  Bank account will be much fatter tomorrow.

Sweet.  Well played. 
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 11, 2019, 01:43:18 PM
It was that easy.  :wings:  Guy came up, did a full walkaround, looked under it, we went thru how everything was working and SOLD!  Going to the Secretary of State tomorrow to do all the title transfer stuff and hand it off.  Bank account will be much fatter tomorrow.

Sweet.  Well played.


Spent the first couple hours of my morning cruising CL for a reasonably clean Class A with a slide over coffee.  Have cash, can travel for the right deal.  Start close, work my way outward across the region.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: st2sam on September 11, 2019, 03:56:31 PM
Tom, does it have to be a class A?

Here is a very low mile class C and it is HUGE with a couple slides.

https://scranton.craigslist.org/rvs/d/hazleton-master-bedroom-ft32-fleetwood/6933460311.html
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 11, 2019, 04:37:11 PM
Very nice, but that space over the cab is totally dead space for me.  No one will ever sleep in it and it kills forward head room above the cab seats to turn and get into the living space.  A good deal on that one for what you're getting. 


Tire age and condition is going to play a major factor in my decision.  At about $1500 a set of four good tires, it's a big bite of the available travel cash.  Most RVs have cheap, ancient tires that are overloaded just sitting at the campsite. 
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on September 11, 2019, 05:10:49 PM
I would put new tires in the same category as functioning steering wheel if I was looking at a used unit. 

this might be the exception:  Boom!

https://winchester.craigslist.org/rvs/d/winchester-1974-gmc-motorhome/6945635434.html

Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: chornbe on September 11, 2019, 05:22:20 PM
FWIW, I *hate* trying to live a life in something that's 8 feet wide, even if only for a weekend. Something nice and new and modern is WELL beyond my means, and frankly, too much work for a weekender life. The property I get to enjoy was just de-campered, and I say good riddance. (and to be fair, it's a 20 year old FEMA trailer with a 40 year old layout, which was well past its prime, and really added to the apathy for such things)

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Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on September 11, 2019, 05:27:58 PM
FWIW, I *hate* trying to live a life in something that's 8 feet wide, even if only for a weekend. Something nice and new and modern is WELL beyond my means, and frankly, too much work for a weekender life. The property I get to enjoy was just de-campered, and I say good riddance. (and to be fair, it's a 20 year old FEMA trailer with a 40 year old layout, which was well past its prime, and really added to the apathy for such things)

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opposite of everything you just said

some of the best memories i've ever made were in an 8 foot wide box. 

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Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 11, 2019, 07:28:05 PM
FWIW, I *hate* trying to live a life in something that's 8 feet wide, even if only for a weekend. Something nice and new and modern is WELL beyond my means, and frankly, too much work for a weekender life. The property I get to enjoy was just de-campered, and I say good riddance. (and to be fair, it's a 20 year old FEMA trailer with a 40 year old layout, which was well past its prime, and really added to the apathy for such things)


My normal camping arrangement for about 20 years used to be anywhere from a one man to a 7x10 cabin tent with an air mattress and a sleeping bag.  This IS luxury having four walls, good shelter from the weather and all the amenities of home on a smaller scale that moves across the country.   :smiley_thumb:
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 11, 2019, 07:34:48 PM
I would put new tires in the same category as functioning steering wheel if I was looking at a used unit. 

this might be the exception:  Boom!

https://winchester.craigslist.org/rvs/d/winchester-1974-gmc-motorhome/6945635434.html (https://winchester.craigslist.org/rvs/d/winchester-1974-gmc-motorhome/6945635434.html)


You notice there's no interior shots?  Yeah, that's cuz it doesn't exist or it's trashed beyond repair. :lol: A fair price for that rolling hunk is about $2000 with another $20k to be thrown at it to make it livable.  I've seen several locally in that same or similar state.  Rolling parts bins.


Looking at used units online, I automatically eliminate the ones with strategically taken shots where you can never see the waterlogged ceiling. 
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: mr.awesome on September 11, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
I would put new tires in the same category as functioning steering wheel

This from a guy with bald tires on his dual sports.  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: mr.awesome on September 11, 2019, 09:02:17 PM


opposite of everything you just said

some of the best memories i've ever made were in an 8 foot wide box. 

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Agreed but on a smaller scale. I had a 22' cuddy cabin boat for 8 years. Every summer we would take it up to northern MI and use it as our camper. Would pull in to the state parks and camp in it on the trailer. Pulled in to register and ranger asked what we were camping in? I said the boat! She says no really what do you have a tent or something. I'm like, I sleep on it in the water, why not the trailer.  :bigsmile: would I buy an actual camper, probably not. But have had some great times camping.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Eh2zed on September 11, 2019, 09:27:45 PM
What’s the first destination?
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on September 12, 2019, 06:18:53 AM
I would put new tires in the same category as functioning steering wheel

This from a guy with bald tires on his dual sports.  :bigsmile:

Skill building... you'll see.  Ow, my leg.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: chornbe on September 12, 2019, 06:41:15 AM

opposite of everything you just said

some of the best memories i've ever made were in an 8 foot wide box. 


To be clear, I'm not trying to take anything away, and I'll stay a night in my brother's taj mahal of Toy Haulers now and then, but largely, give me a cabin/motel room, maybe a fire pit, and proper sized shower, and I'm much happier.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 12, 2019, 06:56:37 AM
I would put new tires in the same category as functioning steering wheel

This from a guy with bald tires on his dual sports.  :bigsmile:

Skill building... you'll see.  Ow, my leg.


Knobs are not overrated.  DAMHIK either.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on September 12, 2019, 07:49:09 AM

opposite of everything you just said

some of the best memories i've ever made were in an 8 foot wide box. 


To be clear, I'm not trying to take anything away, and I'll stay a night in my brother's taj mahal of Toy Haulers now and then, but largely, give me a cabin/motel room, maybe a fire pit, and proper sized shower, and I'm much happier.

First world spoiled.

I'm so grossed out by other people's filth that I have seen in some of those places that my camper seems downright sterile by comparison. Even big money joints sometimes.  I'd much rather have my small clean shower and bed free of bugs than to wonder if the cleaning crew *really* did all they were supposed to do.  Puke.   Different strokes and all.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: stevent on September 12, 2019, 09:22:04 AM

opposite of everything you just said

some of the best memories i've ever made were in an 8 foot wide box. 


To be clear, I'm not trying to take anything away, and I'll stay a night in my brother's taj mahal of Toy Haulers now and then, but largely, give me a cabin/motel room, maybe a fire pit, and proper sized shower, and I'm much happier.

First world spoiled.

I'm so grossed out by other people's filth that I have seen in some of those places that my camper seems downright sterile by comparison. Even big money joints sometimes.  I'd much rather have my small clean shower and bed free of bugs than to wonder if the cleaning crew *really* did all they were supposed to do.  Puke.   Different strokes and all.


Yeah kind of a coin toss there, We're more 5 star hotel travelers too but you do wonder if the room is as clean as it seems sometimes. I have to say that we've very rarely been disappointed so far, though a place we stayed in last winter was a cross between the place in The Shining and the Bates Motel. The only advantage was it was so cold in the room that no self respecting lunatic or ghost would have anything to do with it. It was clean though, kind of. We always talk about getting a motorhome but that's as far as it's gone so far. We both camped and trailered over the years so it is a lot of fun but the money buys a lot of really nice hotels so it's a dead end discussion at this point. 
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: CLAY on September 15, 2019, 07:15:17 PM
You guys are fragile.    :bigsmile:
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Leanintree on September 17, 2019, 03:42:28 PM
You guys are fragile.    :bigsmile:

Sounds like they don't know how to dig a hole to poo in... 

LT  (LooTree)

Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: CLAY on September 20, 2019, 08:26:34 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on September 21, 2019, 06:30:44 AM
You guys are fragile.    :bigsmile:

Sounds like they don't know how to dig a hole to poo in... 

LT  (LooTree)

Quite the opposite for me. Having pooped in many a hole in several different countries courtesy of Uncle Sam, this is my way of not having to do that anymore.   ;)
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: sleazy rider on September 21, 2019, 06:48:25 AM
What’s the first destination?


Hmph, missed that the first time around.


I really don't know yet, but it won't be too far from home.  A short shakedown campout within 200 miles as a test and tune.  You always forget something fitting these out and I hate buying stuff I already own at home.  Wright Patterson AFB military campground is really nice, lots to see in the area and cheap with full utilities.  I have a few places I like in Michigan too.


With the purchase of the solar power suitcase, I can now check the Class As with no generator as an option.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: rfulcher on January 13, 2020, 11:10:30 PM
I have a 2016 4x4 Toyota Tundra with the 5.7 engine and tow package. It is rated for over 10,000 lbs towing. It is rated for 980 lbs tongue weight and payload is approx 2000 lbs. I recently purchased a 17 ft. Casita travel trailer rated at max of 3500 lbs with a 400 lb tongue weight. The Super Tenere weight around 600 lbs and will fit in the 6.5 ft. bed at an angle.

I want to travel with cross country with my wife and dog. We will tow the Casita and with my Super Tenere in the back of the truck. Is this reasonable? I want to see new places, drag my little house with me, and ride the Tenere when I get to the good stuff.



Would I need to do any mods to the truck?
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: chornbe on January 13, 2020, 11:53:18 PM
Payload is vertical weight in the bed.
Tongue weight is, of course, vertical weight on the tongue.
Towing capacity is horizontal pull/drag while moving forward.

Combined weights, all told, should not exceed gross vehicle weight; tongue weight, payload, vehicle curb weight, people. Tongue weight does impact payload. Payload does not impact tongue weight.

Everything above is all a matter of degrees.

For easy numbers - Let's say you have a 2000lb total payload limit, currently have 1500 lbs in your bed and you add 500 lbs tongue weight on your hitch, you're now at max payload of 2000 (or thereabouts, given weight over axle, weight behind axle, levering, etc. )

Now let's say you have 2000 lb total payload limit, currently have 500 lbs on your hitch tongue, and you load your bike in the back of the truck (~600 lbs). You have NOT added to your tongue weight, so you're still good on the trailer, but you've taken 600 lbs away from your provisional cargo, and currently sit at ~1100lbs in payload.

With a 10k towing weight, putting your bike in the trailer over the axle *could* conceivably not increase your tongue weight much at all, thus not impacting your payload weight, and would only impact your towing capacity; assuming your trailer is also set up to haul bikes.

All of this is estimated, of course, and you should always strive to remain at least 30% under your limits for reserve.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on January 14, 2020, 07:51:09 AM
I have a 2016 4x4 Toyota Tundra with the 5.7 engine and tow package. It is rated for over 10,000 lbs towing. It is rated for 980 lbs tongue weight and payload is approx 2000 lbs. I recently purchased a 17 ft. Casita travel trailer rated at max of 3500 lbs with a 400 lb tongue weight. The Super Tenere weight around 600 lbs and will fit in the 6.5 ft. bed at an angle.

I want to travel with cross country with my wife and dog. We will tow the Casita and with my Super Tenere in the back of the truck. Is this reasonable? I want to see new places, drag my little house with me, and ride the Tenere when I get to the good stuff.



Would I need to do any mods to the truck?

First of all, AWESOME!!!  Go and do and see.

Are you quoting numbers for your exact truck or are you quoting what Toyota says about "the Tundra"?  This is big.  Ford is famous for this.  They'll tell you the F-150 can tow 12.5K.  While they're telling you that, they'll show a picture of a Limited 4x4 Crew w/ 20" chrome wheels.  There will be a tiny * that nobody ever reads or even if they do, they ignore or misinterpret the "properly equipped" part assuming their truck with all the bells and whistles is certainly properly equipped.  If you do the research, there is A F-150 that will pull that weight but it's a regular cab, 2WD work truck w/ 17" steel wheels.  From that base truck, everything you add including the back seat, spiffy electronics, 4WD components and big ole heavy wheels takes away from your tow capacity and some of your payload.  My buddy did this with his F150 and a guy at work just did this with his big ole DODGE dually one ton.  Commercial said 7000+ lbs payload so he was getting ready to buy a truck camper with three slides based on that number.  Turns out, just like the example above, his payload was 5300 and would not have come close to supporting that camper.

Find the numbers for your exact truck then do the math.  Sounds like you'll be perfectly fine.  Mods that you NEED to do?  Probably not.  But be prepared, depending on the pkg on your truck, for your rear suspension to sag enough to be annoying.  If you have the TRD or any kind of upgraded suspension, you might be OK.  If not, you might consider some airbags for the back of your truck.  That way you get added stability and you don't have to worry about adjusting the headlights or blinding people or having your truck's ride compromised by unweighting the front end.  Also, even with a camper that light, you should still get a nice weight distribution / anti-sway hitch system.  Potential literal life saver. 

If you're going to travel the country, that means mountains.  Having BTDT, I would agree with Chris that you need to keep a good reserve.  You don't want to try to pull 10K lbs through the Rockies or Sierra Nevadas with a half ton truck.  You'll be that guy.  Either the one going 32mph going up the hill or the one on the side of the road with the hood up.  Both suck.

Also, you have a 3000lb trailer NOW.  But learn the above for your next camper so you don't fall victim to the sales pitch on the next one.  Ax me how I know...

For the record, I have about 50K+ miles pulling campers with a half ton Ram.  Many of those miles with 600+ lbs of bike(s) in the bed of the truck.  I've been where you are.  Happy to talk more if needed.  I also have documented some of those travels in a blog where we did the same thing for a few months back in the day if you're interested. 
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: greench440 on January 14, 2020, 03:55:07 PM
Bought this last spring, no more tents for us. 
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Black Hills on January 14, 2020, 04:00:06 PM
I have no idea what the ratings are but my Ram 1500 pulls way better than my Tundra.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: M.Brane on January 14, 2020, 08:11:53 PM
 GVWR for my '05 F-350 SRW is 11,500. Our 31' dual axle toy hauler is 8K unladen. Add 100G of water, a couple bikes, beer, food etc. I would guess it's around 11K. It was kinda squirelly with just the weight distributing hitch. Much better with the sway + weight hitch setup. Not as stable as a dually, but good enough.

 I would not want to tow a 10K trailer with a 1/2 ton truck no matter how much power it has. It's a brake/stability issue.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on January 15, 2020, 06:16:17 AM
At least Ford is putting the * where it makes more sense now instead of making you scroll to the bottom of some massively long page to find the tiny print. 

https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/features/capability/ (https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/features/capability/)

But I totally concur.  With airbags, upgraded brakes, and LT tires, my half ton is still a handful at about 60% of what they say it's capable of.  Imagine some dude buying an F150 and towing the max w/ the crap P tires and stock suspension and brakes.  oy

Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: M.Brane on January 15, 2020, 08:47:56 PM
At least Ford is putting the * where it makes more sense now instead of making you scroll to the bottom of some massively long page to find the tiny print. 

https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/features/capability/ (https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/features/capability/)

But I totally concur.  With airbags, upgraded brakes, and LT tires, my half ton is still a handful at about 60% of what they say it's capable of.  Imagine some dude buying an F150 and towing the max w/ the crap P tires and stock suspension and brakes.  oy

 Yeah I hauled the trailer to Utah with no bikes, but full water & just the weight dist. hitch. It was OK up to about 60 or so, but the semis passing at 80+ first try to suck you in then blow you onto the shoulder. Good times.
Title: Re: The camper / camping / glamping thread
Post by: Vulcanbill on January 16, 2020, 12:11:26 PM
At least Ford is putting the * where it makes more sense now instead of making you scroll to the bottom of some massively long page to find the tiny print. 

https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/features/capability/ (https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/features/capability/)

But I totally concur.  With airbags, upgraded brakes, and LT tires, my half ton is still a handful at about 60% of what they say it's capable of.  Imagine some dude buying an F150 and towing the max w/ the crap P tires and stock suspension and brakes.  oy

 Yeah I hauled the trailer to Utah with no bikes, but full water & just the weight dist. hitch. It was OK up to about 60 or so, but the semis passing at 80+ first try to suck you in then blow you onto the shoulder. Good times.

Wait till some nimrod pulls out in front of you in a dumptruck on a downhill 2 lane.  That will alter you in several ways.  Possibly your pants as well.  We almost made crunching sounds.  That's when you take your relationship with your tires to the next level.   :deadhorse: