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Title: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on August 24, 2016, 10:39:54 PM
So I have started running, and have done a 5k with 9:52 a mile and run 4 miles at 10:48 a mile. So who here is a runner and what advice can you give a 55 year old guy who wants to do a 10k or maybe even a half marathon?
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: mxvet57 on August 24, 2016, 11:00:02 PM
Not going to happen here.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: miles on August 24, 2016, 11:01:58 PM
If you can run 60% of the distance on a training run, you can run the event.  That is to say that if you can run 6K in training, a 10k race will be no problem.


Here's a tip that goes against popular thinking:  Don't worry much about hydration.  Seriously, it's overhyped.  If you drink enough water in your typical day, there is no need to worry about taking on additional fluids during your exercise.  Maybe a sip of water as you pass the aid station, but that's it.  Don't run with a bottle of water in your hand.

The reason I say this is that you simply don't lose that much water in any event lasting less than a couple of hours, and your stomach really doesn't need the stress of trying to absorb any fluids.  In the same thinking, don't drink right before the start.  Feel free to drink a bottle of water after your run, but not before or during.  Also, stay away from Gatorade and the like.  They don't supply you with what your body actually does need (if they did, they'd be so disgustingly salty you'd never get them down).  Just eat a reasonable diet and call it good.

Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: TwistedT on August 25, 2016, 05:43:04 AM
If you can run a 5k it's not that big of a stretch to do a 10k. Just try to add a little distance to your training runs each week. If you're regularly running 3 miles, up it to 3.5, then 3.75, etc. Whatever works for you.

Half marathon, I can't help with. I'm 53, been running for 30+ years, and the farthest I've ever gone is 8 miles. I run almost every day and love it, I just never had the desire for a really long run like a half or full marathon.

And +1 to Miles' thoughts on hydration. I never carry water with me. Drink up a little while before you run, and have as much as you feel you need when you get done.  :bigok:
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Mr. Whippy on August 25, 2016, 06:37:06 AM
These guys are missing the 55 year old part.

Here's my training tip:  There is only one number that really matters:  How many days have I been injury free.

At 55, you don't heal quickly.  Hamstring injury can take 6 months or more to heal adequately.  Mile times, weekly distance totals and race lengths will come, but only if you can go months (to years) without injurying yourself.  Change shoes frequently, it's cheap insurance.  Stay with a brand that fits your feet well.

From a 54 year old guy who's run several marathons, a ton of 1/2's, and a 22:30 5K at 53.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on August 25, 2016, 09:03:05 AM
Thanks for the tips! I don't carry water, and I have two pairs of shoes I trade off between. So far, so good.
Interesting about the 60% number, I have been thinking I should be able to do the distance I am aiming for a couple of times before I do an event.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Scratch on August 25, 2016, 09:26:39 AM
Not going to happen here.

Perhaps if a dog were after me.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Papa Lazarou on August 25, 2016, 09:40:34 AM
It wears your knees out.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Ray O'Sunshine on August 25, 2016, 09:55:53 AM
So I have started running, and have done a 5k with 9:52 a mile and run 4 miles at 10:48 a mile. So who here is a runner and what advice can you give a 55 year old guy who wants to do a 10k or maybe even a half marathon?

Humans are predators, and are better at sprinting. Long distance running is horrible for you in the long run (no pun intended).
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Mr. Whippy on August 25, 2016, 10:34:17 AM
So I have started running, and have done a 5k with 9:52 a mile and run 4 miles at 10:48 a mile. So who here is a runner and what advice can you give a 55 year old guy who wants to do a 10k or maybe even a half marathon?

Humans are predators, and are better at sprinting. Long distance running is horrible for you in the long run (no pun intended).

It wears your knees out.

So, I'm gonna disagree a bit with both of these.

Humans didn't predate by outracing prey.  They had a few methods including herding prey into traps of various sorts or basically pursuing until prey exhaustion (groups of humans jogging along until the prey could be caught--sort of how wild dogs hunt).   At 55, sprinting will break you down much faster than long distance running.

Knees are not the most common problem for runners.  Feet, ankles, hips and backs are more commonly affected with arthritis secondary to running.  Most knee problems aren't inside the knee but are actually tendons/ligaments around the knee (ileotibial band is pretty common)
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on August 25, 2016, 10:35:10 AM
I don't how much of a long run I have left, so I am trying stretch that out a little. Lesser of two evils? Perhaps this is what I have been saving my knees for...
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Mr. Whippy on August 25, 2016, 10:44:59 AM
I don't how much of a long run I have left, so I am trying stretch that out a little. Lesser of two evils? Perhaps this is what I have been saving my knees for...

If you're getting concussive injuries, stay off concrete surfaces as much as possible.  Run on the asphalt street instead of on the concrete sidewalks.  Concrete is brutally hard on bones and joints. 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Papa Lazarou on August 25, 2016, 01:33:11 PM
It wears your "Feet, ankles, hips and backs" out.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on August 25, 2016, 01:38:02 PM
No injuries anywhere. Just a little muscle soreness but that goes away quickly. I'm kind of happily surprised, but careful/cautious anyway.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Ray O'Sunshine on August 26, 2016, 07:16:40 AM
So, I'm gonna disagree a bit with both of these.

Humans didn't predate by outracing prey.  They had a few methods including herding prey into traps of various sorts or basically pursuing until prey exhaustion (groups of humans jogging along until the prey could be caught--sort of how wild dogs hunt).   At 55, sprinting will break you down much faster than long distance running.

Knees are not the most common problem for runners.  Feet, ankles, hips and backs are more commonly affected with arthritis secondary to running.  Most knee problems aren't inside the knee but are actually tendons/ligaments around the knee (ileotibial band is pretty common)

Listen, you. You go right on ahead and keep your facts out of my self-absorbed whining about my broken down old body, you hear me??? :)
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on August 26, 2016, 11:57:04 AM
I following this thread.  I've been running the neighborhood this year.  Needed drop some weight off the GSA.

Most runs are in the 2-3 mile range a couple three times a week. I might try an official 5K this fall.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Ray O'Sunshine on August 26, 2016, 12:53:08 PM
I following this thread.  I've been running the neighborhood this year.  Needed drop some weight off the GSA.

Most runs are in the 2-3 mile range a couple three times a week. I might try an official 5K this fall.

You should have no trouble if you're getting through a 3-mile without wanting to die.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on August 26, 2016, 01:17:04 PM
I following this thread.  I've been running the neighborhood this year.  Needed drop some weight off the GSA.

Most runs are in the 2-3 mile range a couple three times a week. I might try an official 5K this fall.

Dropping weight is a bonus for me, I'm earning alcohol calories.
My son said I could probably run a 10k today, so I tried.  I did @ 1:09:29. Probably won't try that again for a while, but it was a big confidence boost to know I can. I am using the MapMyRun+  app, and it really helps with pace and distances.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: squeezer on August 26, 2016, 03:47:02 PM

Dropping weight is a bonus for me, I'm earning alcohol calories.
My son said I could probably run a 10k today, so I tried.  I did @ 1:09:29. Probably won't try that again for a while, but it was a big confidence boost to know I can. I am using the MapMyRun+  app, and it really helps with pace and distances.

I use that app for dog walks and it's been great for plotting routes. When I exercise for myself, though, I'm more interested in my heart rate than my pace, so I use the app that came with my heart rate monitor.

You might want to check into using a heart rate monitor and shooting for a certain amount of time in a designated training range rather than guessing what you're doing to your body by using distance and pace. Different approach, but it's working for me. And I use it for all types of exercise (except swimming) so I get a sense of how I'm doing aerobically whether I'm running, doing a weight circuit, or anything else.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on August 26, 2016, 06:15:31 PM
I've got mapmyrun too. We starting an STO challenge? Lol
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: MrsCablebandit on August 27, 2016, 05:15:44 PM
Running sucks when you have big boobs! ( o )( ° )

It's not sexy and glamorous, no matter what this .gif might lead you to believe.

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Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on August 28, 2016, 06:12:46 PM
You just have to do it in slo-mo. That's your problem right there.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on August 28, 2016, 06:16:54 PM

Dropping weight is a bonus for me, I'm earning alcohol calories.
My son said I could probably run a 10k today, so I tried.  I did @ 1:09:29. Probably won't try that again for a while, but it was a big confidence boost to know I can. I am using the MapMyRun+  app, and it really helps with pace and distances.

I use that app for dog walks and it's been great for plotting routes. When I exercise for myself, though, I'm more interested in my heart rate than my pace, so I use the app that came with my heart rate monitor.

You might want to check into using a heart rate monitor and shooting for a certain amount of time in a designated training range rather than guessing what you're doing to your body by using distance and pace. Different approach, but it's working for me. And I use it for all types of exercise (except swimming) so I get a sense of how I'm doing aerobically whether I'm running, doing a weight circuit, or anything else.

I thought about a Fitbit HR, but after that little heart attack thingy, I'm not sure I want to know. I would focus on it too much.

I am Max Wedge on MapMyRun, if anyone wants to know. 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: CLAY on August 28, 2016, 08:29:43 PM
I did a 5K this spring with my son, and started running more after that.  I was doing around 6 miles a week.  Not much, but I HATED every second of it.  I ended up quitting sometime early summer.

Since then, my wife and I have started biking.  I like that WAY better.  Now I know.

To me ya just need to figure out what is the least painful (or most enjoyable) for you- and go with it.  Exercise is good.

That said, she had major foot surgery last Monday and is down for ~6 months.  She had an extra bone in her foot and exercise was getting increasingly painful, so we finally opted to get it done.  It will be worth it to have her pain free!
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on August 28, 2016, 08:35:24 PM
I like biking a lot too. Mrs. Wedge and I have done some 50 mile trips, and it's two wheels, so, ya know.
I think I get the best workout in the shortest time by running.

And good for Mrs. Clay!
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: jadziadax8 on August 30, 2016, 09:46:25 AM
Running sucks when you have big boobs! ( o )( ° )

It's not sexy and glamorous, no matter what this .gif might lead you to believe.

 :rolf:

It's funny because it's true.

I prefer biking.  Every now and again I think about doing a triathlon, but then I realize it involves both running and swimming, neither of which I enjoy.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: expatbrit on August 30, 2016, 10:33:56 AM
I following this thread.  I've been running the neighborhood this year.  Needed drop some weight off the GSA.

Most runs are in the 2-3 mile range a couple three times a week. I might try an official 5K this fall.

Dropping weight is a bonus for me, I'm earning alcohol calories.
My son said I could probably run a 10k today, so I tried.  I did @ 1:09:29. Probably won't try that again for a while, but it was a big confidence boost to know I can. I am using the MapMyRun+  app, and it really helps with pace and distances.

Is it bad that I track it all in Strava; running when I do, dreadmill on the road, the occasional bicycle I get in. Ties to my HRM so I can see what that looks like.

(Actually, these days I've gotten gadget-focused enough that it mostly all goes to Garmin Connect and then that exports to Strava. The wrist watch/HRM/GPS is my new toy for that)

I love the tracking apps; I find them really good both for motivation and for seeing how I am progressing (forward or backwards!)
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on August 30, 2016, 10:38:03 AM


I love the tracking apps; I find them really good both for motivation and for seeing how I am progressing (forward or backwards!)

That they are. It really jump started my interest.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on September 17, 2016, 09:45:55 PM
2nd official 5k, about 500 people ran. I did a 30:44, 5th overall for 50-59 year olds. Mrs. Wedge ran this one as her first for her birthday. She ran in a birthday tiara.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: squeezer on September 17, 2016, 10:11:13 PM
Nicely done. :bigok:  I'd feel pretty good about a 30 minute 5k.

How do you find races in your area?
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on September 17, 2016, 11:37:38 PM
Thanks!
To find races in my area, I simply gooled 5k races in September in Michigan. Runmichigan.com and similar sites came up. There are loads of races every weekend. Find an area, theme or charity you like and sign up.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: canduc on September 18, 2016, 12:56:15 PM
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Is it bad that I track it all in Strava; running when I do, dreadmill on the road, the occasional bicycle I get in. Ties to my HRM so I can see what that looks like.

(Actually, these days I've gotten gadget-focused enough that it mostly all goes to Garmin Connect and then that exports to Strava. The wrist watch/HRM/GPS is my new toy for that)

I love the tracking apps; I find them really good both for motivation and for seeing how I am progressing (forward or backwards!)

I love Strava, my kids gave me a Garmin with HRM last year and I am loving it!!! Was injured most of the summer, but have managed to get in a 6K and a 5K so far with a 10K scheduled late October!!
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on September 18, 2016, 01:00:40 PM
I'm contemplating a 10K Halloween  run at the beach, but I haven't even done a 5K yet.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: tankhead on September 18, 2016, 01:26:01 PM
Yeah, here is some advice from a former exercise physiologist (cardiac and pulmonary rehabilitation) and personal trainer for over a decade.. eating healthy foods keeps you in tune.
Eating crap keeps you inflamed and... well.... shitty.  All of the nutrition science that I was taught in the 90's at my college is now considered bullshit.  "They" are even saying that Omega 3's might not be as great as once considered but that whole milk is better than the non fat......  :mad:  WTF

If the goal is to increase running performance at 55 just because you want to increase running performance at 55 DO IT>>

But if there is another objective or goal, starting to "run" at 55 MIGHT not be the best.

I hate running.   I used to race 5 mile running races.  32.16 was my best time.......... 1995..... I also use to mountain bike race, a couple of 24 hour mountain bike races, blah blah.


I just did a stupid backpacking trip with a buddy who has been backpacking for 6 years and did the Tetons this summer along with all 46er's in the "dacks" within the last 3 years.
We did the Black forest trail in PA..I dusted off my backpacking gear that hasn't been used since 1994 and went along.

BIG MISTAKE:  MY FEET  were not conditioned for this and out of the 42 miles we were supposed to do, by the second night my feet were toast.  .  We did 26 miles and had to cut it short because of ME.  Which I hated.  NEVER AGAIN>  Horrible pain.  the Descents were excruciating.  The blisters were folding back on themselves with every step.  Did my best cutting them, moleskin, duct tape on the feet..... Nothing.  Second most pain ever since I shattered my collarbone playing Rugby in 2006.

I have been riding my touring bike to school since we started 2 weeks ago. 4.25 miles out and 4.25 miles back.  I have my panniers filled with my food for the week, along with clothes for the week (i have a shower in my office) on Mondays but the rest of the week my bags, for the most part, are empty. 8 years ago I used to ride 60 miles before work with my buddy. We would get up and out on the road by 4:30.  Looking back, my question is why???  The answer: because we liked riding for performance for performance sake.  Now at 48 I have no fucking interest in doing that ever again.
I use those 4+ miles as interval training.  100 pedal strokes hammering then some recovery.  Blah blah blah.... However, in using my run keeper app., I increased my pace time for the week by 20 seconds from last week already and decreased my total time to work also, along with calories burned.

This week I will have to take one day off but will add one day of Mountain biking a week for two weeks and then two days a week (weekends)

I also lift weights (heavy) three times a week.

But I am still eating crap at least once a day..... which really pisses me off.  Oh and red wine Fri. Sat. and Sun.  a lot of red wine.... Not good for the waist line.

So yeah.  great advice from me to you = not much.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on September 18, 2016, 05:37:33 PM
2nd official 5k, about 500 people ran. I did a 30:44, 5th overall for 50-59 year olds.

Big improvement over your 1st one.  Contrats! 

Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on September 19, 2016, 05:51:41 AM
2nd official 5k, about 500 people ran. I did a 30:44, 5th overall for 50-59 year olds.

Big improvement over your 1st one.  Contrats!
Thanks! This one had 160ft of elevation change, but it was all paved. If I was 60 I would have RULED!  :rolf:

So another question for everyone, I'm now getting curious about HR's. What does everyone use and/or recommend. Something that plays nice with the MapMyRun+ app would be ideal. Do you need to have a chest strap thingy, or is there a watch style one that works pretty well? Chest strap doesn't look fun, and I don't think I could get resting HR's without wearing it all the time.  :crazy:
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on September 19, 2016, 05:55:23 AM
I'm contemplating a 10K Halloween  run at the beach, but I haven't even done a 5K yet.

Do it! 5k's are no pressure, and a lot of people walk them, so you get the fun of passing them.  ;) Except some of those mom's pushing big wheel strollers. What the ...  :confused:
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on September 19, 2016, 06:03:53 AM
2nd official 5k, about 500 people ran. I did a 30:44, 5th overall for 50-59 year olds.

Big improvement over your 1st one.  Contrats!
Thanks! This one had 160ft of elevation change, but it was all paved. If I was 60 I would have RULED!  :rolf:

So another question for everyone, I'm now getting curious about HR's. What does everyone use and/or recommend. Something that plays nice with the MapMyRun+ app would be ideal. Do you need to have a chest strap thingy, or is there a watch style one that works pretty well? Chest strap doesn't look fun, and I don't think I could get resting HR's without wearing it all the time.  :crazy:

I found a Scoche arm band HRM that's ANT+ and it pairs easily to either my Garmin Vivofit2, Garmin Tactix, or directly to MapMyRun on my Samsung S5.  I wear it on my arm just below my elbow.  It works well and is pretty low profile.

The other option is one on of many activity\step monitors with built-in HRM. 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: canduc on September 19, 2016, 06:08:17 AM



Thanks! This one had 160ft of elevation change, but it was all paved. If I was 60 I would have RULED!  :rolf:



I went to the 6k on Toronto Island thinking , a small race at a fun location, unusual distance, and my first race since turning 60, Podium......

Looking around there seemed to be a lot of extremely fit looking greybeards. Ran a 33:21 6k  ( 27:33 5k pace ) and came in 13th of 15 in M60-69. Turned out it counted towards points in the regional Masters Running Series!!!
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on September 19, 2016, 07:07:13 AM
Congrats! There are some very fit 50's and 60's gray beards. 27:33 is a great pace! for 5k!  :hail:
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 19, 2016, 09:04:37 AM
Good job both (all) of you!  Most importantly, keep at it!  Improving times are great, but staying healthy and active are the real goals. :)
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on September 19, 2016, 09:08:08 AM
Whatever I am doing, it's working. 

I was not looking forward to getting on the scale this morning after a week of eating out and road food.  But it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going be   ;D
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on September 19, 2016, 10:04:21 AM
Good job both (all) of you!  Most importantly, keep at it!  Improving times are great, but staying healthy and active are the real goals. :)

and earning alcohol calories!  :beerchug:
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 19, 2016, 10:46:58 AM
Good job both (all) of you!  Most importantly, keep at it!  Improving times are great, but staying healthy and active are the real goals. :)

and earning alcohol calories!  :beerchug:

Some days, it's the only motivator...
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on September 20, 2016, 04:26:44 PM
2nd official 5k, about 500 people ran. I did a 30:44, 5th overall for 50-59 year olds.

Big improvement over your 1st one.  Contrats!
Thanks! This one had 160ft of elevation change, but it was all paved. If I was 60 I would have RULED!  :rolf:

So another question for everyone, I'm now getting curious about HR's. What does everyone use and/or recommend. Something that plays nice with the MapMyRun+ app would be ideal. Do you need to have a chest strap thingy, or is there a watch style one that works pretty well? Chest strap doesn't look fun, and I don't think I could get resting HR's without wearing it all the time.  :crazy:

I ran my 1st race since 2008 in August just past.  It was a 5k race that I did in 29:36 which was good for 5/12 in the 60-69 category.  The top guy in that category did it in 20:21.  I'll never get close to him but I think that I can improve a little bit on my time.  I am slowly getting back to my ideal running weight with another 20 lbs to go.   
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 20, 2016, 04:34:19 PM
2nd official 5k, about 500 people ran. I did a 30:44, 5th overall for 50-59 year olds.

Big improvement over your 1st one.  Contrats!
Thanks! This one had 160ft of elevation change, but it was all paved. If I was 60 I would have RULED!  :rolf:

So another question for everyone, I'm now getting curious about HR's. What does everyone use and/or recommend. Something that plays nice with the MapMyRun+ app would be ideal. Do you need to have a chest strap thingy, or is there a watch style one that works pretty well? Chest strap doesn't look fun, and I don't think I could get resting HR's without wearing it all the time.  :crazy:

I ran my 1st race since 2008 in August just past.  It was a 5k race that I did in 29:36 which was good for 5/12 in the 60-69 category.  The top guy in that category did it in 20:21.  I'll never get close to him but I think that I can improve a little bit on my time.  I am slowly getting back to my ideal running weight with another 20 lbs to go.   

So, if you haven't been running in the sub 8 minute mile range in the last 10 years (assuming you're in your mid 50's) don't consider sub 24 minute 5k's as a reasonable goal.  As you age, maximum heart rate drops.  When you close in on 85% of max heart rate, you're basically at your max for any significant distance.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but you're fighting a huge uphill battle (and put yourself at greater risk of cardiac injury--if you haven't been checked for coronary artery disease).  Again:  Be smart.  There are no prizes worth injuring yourself.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on September 20, 2016, 07:06:07 PM
I'm not sure to whom the last post from Mr. Whippy is addressed.  I am last in the quote.  If it is addressed to me, nowhere do I say that I have a 24 minute goal for a 5k at my age.  I am now 60 as shown in my profile.

 

 

Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 20, 2016, 07:44:26 PM
I'm not sure to whom the last post from Mr. Whippy is addressed.  I am last in the quote.  If it is addressed to me, nowhere do I say that I have a 24 minute goal for a 5k at my age.  I am now 60 as shown in my profile.

 

My comment was really only directed in a general sense.  Lots of guys think that they can train up like they did when they were in their 20s or 30s when they're in their 50's.  A few can, but most end up with injuries (that don't heal quickly) and generally have a negative experience.  Just keep on keeping on is the best strategy imo.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on September 21, 2016, 10:30:18 AM
I'm not sure to whom the last post from Mr. Whippy is addressed.  I am last in the quote.  If it is addressed to me, nowhere do I say that I have a 24 minute goal for a 5k at my age.  I am now 60 as shown in my profile.

 

My comment was really only directed in a general sense.  Lots of guys think that they can train up like they did when they were in their 20s or 30s when they're in their 50's.  A few can, but most end up with injuries (that don't heal quickly) and generally have a negative experience.  Just keep on keeping on is the best strategy imo.

I completely agree with you. 

For long time runners like me, it is hard to accept that you are slowing down and that you can’t do the same training that you used to do. 

Running 5k races was never a race distance that I ran during my first years running. I started in 1982. First of all, there were only a handful of them in my home Province and the distance wasn’t long enough for me. I did run a handful with my best official time being 20:12 but never ran one at my peak. I remember being disappointed that I could not get under 20 minutes given the fact that I had gone under 20 minutes for the first 5k in 10k races before. 

In 2008 at age 52, I ran my last official 5k race prior to the 5k I ran last month.  My time in 2008 for that 5k was 24:42.  My time for last month’s race was 29:36 as stated previously.  Considering that I am still 20lbs over my ideal running weight, I think I can do slightly better but I know that a sub 25 is not possible. I can see going high 27. 

After I turned 60 this year, I got motivated to increase my mileage to do some races again. Since 2008 I had stayed off the track and basically jogged 5k – 6k 3 times per week. 

Here’s what’s different now from what it was when I raced 10ks and marathons. 

I never run two days in a row and I only do one speed session on the track per week.

Before starting to go on the track again in the spring, I used to do some hill work to gain some strength.  My first track sessions were 200m repeats and I did two track sessions per week while increasing the repeat distances.

This time around, I did not and will not do hill repeats. I started my track sessions with in August with 400m repeats at 2:15 each (9 minute mile pace).  I now go a little faster (2:08-2:10).  During my last track session last week I did 8 x 600m (3:18 / 3:13 / 3:15 / 3:13 / 3:13 / 3:10 / 3:11 / 3:12) with a proper warmup and cooldown.  I now want to go to 800 m repeats but that makes me nervous. I am always scared of pulling my right hamstring that has given me problems in the past when I overdid it. It is now a question of how much a 60 year old body can take, especially one that is not built to be an elite runner.

I used to do one long run per week and I now do one longer run per week. I am now increasing the distance of that longer run slowly compared to what I did before.

On the other hand, someone like Max Wedge who started running late can expect to keep improving for a while with proper training. 

I was talking to someone who went to the same high school as me last night.  He started running after he retired at 60. He is now 62 and just qualified for the Boston Marathon with a 3:47. 

           


Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 21, 2016, 10:50:58 AM

I was talking to someone who went to the same high school as me last night.  He started running after he retired at 60. He is now 62 and just qualified for the Boston Marathon with a 3:47. 

         

That's amazing.  I know there are people who do it, but it's the exception.  Like you, I have a hamstring that has to be babied--old climbing injury.

The thing that I've found to be the biggest help has been changing my stride/cadence.  I now run with a shortened stride with high cadence.  It decreases the maximum impact forces and is slightly protective in the case of mis-steps.  I ran a 22:30 5K at age 52 with this approach.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on September 21, 2016, 02:13:24 PM

I was talking to someone who went to the same high school as me last night.  He started running after he retired at 60. He is now 62 and just qualified for the Boston Marathon with a 3:47. 

         

That's amazing.  I know there are people who do it, but it's the exception.  Like you, I have a hamstring that has to be babied--old climbing injury.

The thing that I've found to be the biggest help has been changing my stride/cadence.  I now run with a shortened stride with high cadence.  It decreases the maximum impact forces and is slightly protective in the case of mis-steps.  I ran a 22:30 5K at age 52 with this approach.

Having a shorter stride with higher cadence has helped me also.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on September 22, 2016, 11:01:45 AM
Been playing with a old, outdated HR monitor (to use with my old, outdated heart) and I find it useful, so I ordered a Scosche Rhythm Plus. Going to use MapMyRun as the display for real-time HR's, and hoping I don't need to upgrade to the premium MMR to get it to overlay with the run graph. To get it to display the HR "zones" you need to upgrade, but I can do the math pretty quick.  :o
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on September 22, 2016, 11:04:50 AM
Been playing with a old, outdated HR monitor (to use with my old, outdated heart) and I find it useful, so I ordered a Scosche Rhythm Plus. Going to use MapMyRun as the display for real-time HR's, and hoping I don't need to upgrade to the premium MMR to get it to overlay with the run graph. To get it to display the HR "zones" you need to upgrade, but I can do the math pretty quick.  :o

I have Plus, and works just fine.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on October 17, 2016, 02:56:27 PM
Yesterday, I continued my comeback at 60. I did my first 10K race in 9 years in Charlottetown PEI. My time of 57:08 did not break any records but I was 3/5 in the 60/69 category and 134/337 overall. I was very happy with the results. 

Sue took a picture of me crossing the finish line. 

I may do another 10k race this coming Sunday (Oct 23) if the weather cooperates. 

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Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 17, 2016, 07:22:49 PM
Yay! Way to go! A sub 60 10k! That is awesome (and one of my goals). 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 17, 2016, 07:28:03 PM
Question for you guys: I have doing some longer distances, in the 10-13 mile range, and I wanted to bring a little Gatorade or water or something for the half way point. What do you carry it in and how much do you bring?
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on October 18, 2016, 06:33:55 AM
Way to go Acadian!!!!   

   One of these days I'll do an official race.  But for now I'm happy with my neighborhood plods   :P


Max,

   You're getting beyond my realm of distance experience, but from what I've seen other runners carry around here are either the "utility" type belts with small water bottles or these palm held water bottles with a hand strap.

https://www.rei.com/product/100892/amphipod-hydraform-handheld-water-bottle-12-fl-oz (https://www.rei.com/product/100892/amphipod-hydraform-handheld-water-bottle-12-fl-oz)


Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Bounce on October 18, 2016, 07:09:43 AM
Running should only be undertaken when being chased by an apex predator or when making a getaway. In both cases, you only need to be faster than the slowest of the target prey.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on October 18, 2016, 07:51:14 AM
Question for you guys: I have doing some longer distances, in the 10-13 mile range, and I wanted to bring a little Gatorade or water or something for the half way point. What do you carry it in and how much do you bring?


I have not gone long enough in recent years to hydrate or refuel while running. 

The runners that I see around here run with belts that hold small bottles. 

I used to dilute gatorade with water when I trained for marathons.   

Here's some ideas:

 http://ca.shop.runningroom.com/gear/hydration.html (http://ca.shop.runningroom.com/gear/hydration.html)
 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 18, 2016, 08:26:08 AM
Thanks for the ideas!
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Vulcanbill on October 18, 2016, 09:53:11 AM
Running should only be undertaken when being chased by an apex predator or when making a getaway. In both cases, you only need to be faster than the slowest of the target prey.

And falling trees.  I dropped the remaining 20couple feet of a huge tree that broke off in the spring.  Base was about 26 - 30" in diameter.  Once the hinge was just right, we gave it a shove and over it went.  I ran nearly 10 steps back at a 45 into my safety zone.  Perfectly acceptable reason to run. 

There was a brief time in my yoot when I enjoyed running.  I recall a season in HI when I was embracing PT.  At my peak, I would go out in the rain and run at some ridiculous pace for several miles purely for entertainment.  I remember being able to recover almost immediately from a full sprint.  I also remember being about 150 lbs and muscular.  We would play ultimate frisbee for hours and thought it was fun.  I miss that body.   :'(
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: CLAY on October 18, 2016, 11:48:26 AM
It's funny when the first topic is "F'ing Clowns" and the second topic is "Talk to me about running".
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 18, 2016, 01:24:30 PM
It's funny when the first topic is "F'ing Clowns" and the second topic is "Talk to me about running".

:lol:

And then next is something about 9mm.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Papa Lazarou on October 18, 2016, 03:14:46 PM
has the OP been chased by a clown yet?
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 19, 2016, 10:55:28 AM
has the OP been chased by a clown yet?

Not yet. Might help me get my 10k under 60 minutes though.  :gerg:
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 22, 2016, 04:14:41 PM
Still no joy under 60.
So what is a good weekly distance? I have heard some runners talk about their weekly distances to do longer runs. I am doing 15-20 now, adequate?
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 29, 2016, 07:26:03 PM
Working on distance still, and I hit a new PR, ran 13.1 today at 2:26:19. Now my son is trying to talk me into a full marathon in May. Big difference getting over the 20 mile mark from what I have been told. What say the experts? Tips for training for 26 miles?
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: miles on October 29, 2016, 08:04:58 PM
I didn't notice any difference between a 20 mile run and a 26 mile run other than the additional time. A lot of people say that there is a 20 mile "wall" but I never noticed it.

Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: miles on October 29, 2016, 08:07:36 PM
Working on distance still, and I hit a new PR, ran 13.1 today at 2:26:19.

Just think- if you could run twice as far in that same amount of time you could win local marathons.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 29, 2016, 08:15:19 PM
Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that?
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on October 30, 2016, 11:02:57 AM
Logged my first 10k (unofficial) this morning. Started running out of gas at the 4 mile mark and was really sucking wind the last mile.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 30, 2016, 07:45:52 PM
Yay! Way to go Ed!

Soon you will be throwing down 10k's like they are nothing.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on November 01, 2016, 04:31:17 PM
Logged my first 10k (unofficial) this morning. Started running out of gas at the 4 mile mark and was really sucking wind the last mile.


It is normal to feel it when you are increasing distances. 

Your profile tells me that you are in Virginia Beach.  Why not train to participate in one of the races during the next Shamrock Marathon Weekend on (March 18-19, 2017). 

 http://www.shamrockmarathon.com/ (http://www.shamrockmarathon.com/)




Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on November 01, 2016, 04:40:44 PM
Logged my first 10k (unofficial) this morning. Started running out of gas at the 4 mile mark and was really sucking wind the last mile.


It is normal to feel it when you are increasing distances. 

Your profile tells me that you are in Virginia Beach.  Why not train to participate in one of the races during the next Shamrock Marathon Weekend on (March 18-19, 2017). 

 [url]http://www.shamrockmarathon.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.shamrockmarathon.com/[/url])




It's a goal to do one the races down here.  I am in Virginia Beach and work from home, When I'm not on travel.  I'm convinced that my employer is tapped in to the dark forces.   Just when I think the schedule is safe to commit to a run, the phone rings   ....  :-[


I might even do this one in couple weeks.   It's for a good cause for something near and dear for all of us middle-age scooter riders..

ZERO Prostate Cancer Run/Walk - Virginia Beach/Norfolk (http://support.zerocancer.org/site/TR?fr_id=1105&pg=entry)

Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on November 01, 2016, 05:32:49 PM
Working on distance still, and I hit a new PR, ran 13.1 today at 2:26:19. Now my son is trying to talk me into a full marathon in May. Big difference getting over the 20 mile mark from what I have been told. What say the experts? Tips for training for 26 miles?


Everybody says that if Oprah can run a marathon everybody can. Is she still running?  I don’t know. Just asking. Maybe most people can run marathons but it doesn’t mean that you have to do one right away.     

My view is that you should wait until you have some experience running shorter races such as 10k races to gain some experience. As you gain more experience, your times will come down and you’ll learn what your body can and cannot do. Getting those times down by participating in shorter races will also motivate you to continue.   

I don’t know exactly how old you are and what body type you have but I know you are over 50 based on previous posts. 

When I started running in Sep 1982 I was only 26 and I waited two full years (Sept 1984) before running my first marathon.

Other than your age, another issue for you may be the weather. What kind of winters do you have where you live? If they are anything like what we get in my neck of the woods, it will be difficult for you to do the required long training runs. That’s why I never ran a spring marathon. For me it was always building up for the fall season, relaxing during the winter and start the cycle again the following year.

There are people and Miles may be one that can go like the wind forever but I am not one of them. I can’t talk for you but I would caution you to respect the distance.   

Here’s a link to the Canadian Running Magazine and Runner’s World where you can find some training tips.  I warn you that there are annoying pop ups with the  Runner’s World’s site.   

http://runningmagazine.ca/ (http://runningmagazine.ca/)

http://www.runnersworld.com/ (http://www.runnersworld.com/)




       
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on November 05, 2016, 08:31:02 PM
Thanks for the links. I definitely respect the distance. Working my way up there, at least while the weather cooperates.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on November 06, 2016, 06:25:24 PM
It was the NYC Marathon today.  Someone I know who is over 60 ran a 3:58:54.  He must be pretty excited about that time. 

If you train for the next one it would give you 364 days and 14 hours and 25 minutes to train.   :bigsmile:  Maybe Chicago would make more sense for you. 

I can tell you from experience that there is nothing like running a big city marathon with thousands of other runners.   
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: steveoreno on December 10, 2016, 11:24:09 AM
Looks like lots of good advice given here so I will put my 2 cents in.  Eat healthy, stay away from processed foods, stick to the famous pyramid.  Go to a running specialty store and take the shoes you run in the most so they can analyze how you run.  If the store is worthwhile they will have a treadmill with a camera so they can analyze your running style and fit you into the best shoe for you.  Don't be afraid to pay a little more for the shoes, think of them as helmets for your feet.
      When it comes to training at our age patience and persistence is the key.  Take it slow and easy don't run too much on hard surfaces and give yourself at least one rest day a week and always stretch before and after running.
      I have run lots of 5K's, 10K's, the Indy Mini-Marathon 4 or 5 times, ran 5 full marathons and nearly got under 3 hours many years ago.  I still run in short runs and enjoy the bigger events for the fun and fellowship more than the competition anymore.  Have fun!
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on January 01, 2017, 06:39:06 PM
Now that 2016 is over I thought that I would post my numbers for the year. 

Until July I was doing single runs of 3.2 miles.  Starting in July I picked up after my Ireland trip and MC trip. 

Here are the numbers: 

Miles: 610
Runs: 162
Miles per run: 3.77
Longest single run: 7 miles

During the year I dropped about 20lbs and I hope to drop another 10 this year.  If I can do that I'll probably try a half marathon in the fall. 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on January 02, 2017, 07:27:21 AM
I don't know what my total mileage was but my normal was in the 3.1 mile range with my longest at just over 6 miles.  At one point this summer I was down 35 lbs on the year, but 10 of that has crept back with the colder weather.  Still I'm starting out 2017 in far better shape than I did 2016.

This still best describes my running  :P

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Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on January 26, 2017, 12:43:46 PM
In an apparent effort to spark winter motivation, a certain friend of mine started a "Step Challenge" in the MapMyRun app.

But it appears that neither of our activity trackers synch daily step totals to the MMR database.  This is going to one boring challenge   :P
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on January 26, 2017, 12:48:11 PM
In an apparent effort to spark winter motivation, a certain friend of mine started a "Step Challenge" in the MapMyRun app.

But it appears that neither of our activity trackers synch daily step totals to the MMR database.  This is going to one boring challenge   :P

Actually it wasn't meant to spark anything, it was an open app/sweaty hands/buttons pushed when retrieving out of pocket "challenge" I couldn't back out of it.  :lol:

How about where it says 'steps', we swap them for Martitni's, because it can't track that, and I might be able to win. I'm at 4.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on January 26, 2017, 12:51:31 PM
HaaaHAAAA too funny!!     ;D ;D
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on January 26, 2017, 12:52:28 PM
Note to self: Close app as soon as you get off the treadmill.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on March 14, 2017, 06:01:22 PM
We just lost a great runner. RIP Ed. 

Ed Whitlock has a pile of Masters records starting with the 1 mile record up to the marathon. Perhaps his best was running a 2:54:49 when he was 73. 

 http://runningmagazine.ca/ed-whitlock-dies-at-86/ (http://runningmagazine.ca/ed-whitlock-dies-at-86/)

Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on March 15, 2017, 05:40:50 AM
We just lost a great runner. RIP Ed. 

Ed Whitlock has a pile of Masters records starting with the 1 mile record up to the marathon. Perhaps his best was running a 2:54:49 when he was 73. 

 [url]http://runningmagazine.ca/ed-whitlock-dies-at-86/[/url] ([url]http://runningmagazine.ca/ed-whitlock-dies-at-86/[/url])


RIP Ed.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on March 21, 2017, 01:09:38 PM
Well,

  Despite all my grand plans to keep running through the winter...yea that didn't happen  :(.     So here come's spring and it's time to start over.  During the warm up we had a few weeks I laced up the old running shoes and got in a few neighborhood runs.   I tried to keep it easy, but probably pushed the distances a little to far too quick and ended up with a good case of shin splints.

  Then it got colder again, so I had a good excuse to let the shin splints heal up.  I also hit up the local running store and scored a new pair kicks on deep discount as they were last years left-overs.  I've had pretty good luck going that route as it seems for some reason they never sell out on their size 15's.

  I was able to get out last night with the new shoes.  Kept it easy and short and so far the shins don't feel too bad.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on March 21, 2017, 04:55:57 PM
I've had pretty good luck going that route as it seems for some reason they never sell out on their size 15's.

Size 15!!!  :eek: You must be a giant. 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on March 21, 2017, 05:26:26 PM
I've had pretty good luck going that route as it seems for some reason they never sell out on their size 15's.

Size 15!!!  :eek: You must be a giant.


That's what she said!   :chili: :chili:


I wouldn't exactly say giant, just grew flippers for feet. 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on May 03, 2017, 01:46:52 PM
Getting very discouraged. Have a half-marathon coming up in three weeks, but have not been able to get my distance back since taking high blood pressure medication. The nature of the medication is such that it makes it very hard to be/stay hydrated. I kept up with 15-20 miles a week through the winter, but trying to get 7 or 8 in one run feels harder than when I ran 15. I'm dying at seven, so i got some special hydration stuff as a last ditch attempt to get back where I was. If i can't get it back in the next week, I may have to pull myself out of the running.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on May 03, 2017, 03:09:43 PM
It's early in the season.  You'll pick it up.   I know I'm paying the price for taking the winter off.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on August 13, 2017, 12:42:52 PM
I ran my 1st race since 2008 in August just past.  It was a 5k race that I did in 29:36 which was good for 5/12 in the 60-69 category.  The top guy in that category did it in 20:21.  I'll never get close to him but I think that I can improve a little bit on my time.  I am slowly getting back to my ideal running weight with another 20 lbs to go.   

Well, I did lose 20 lbs since that race and I revisited it yesterday. The temperature was ideal for the time of the year under cloudy skies. I was just hoping to improve on my time of last year and I shattered it. My official time was 26:39 at 61 yrs old. I don't think I can improve on that very much but I still have room to lose a bit more weight. Who knows, maybe I can shave some seconds off that time.

Next planned race is the Rock'n Roll Marathon in Montréal on Sept 24 where I plan to run the half marathon. I haven't done a big city run in years and years. The last time I ran a half marathon was in 1992. I am not up to the 13.1 mile distance yet but getting close. I did a 10 mile run on Monday. 

Next planned race after that is a 10 km in Charlottetown PEI in October. I ran it in 57:08 last year and based on yesterday's race, I can improve on that easily.     
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on September 04, 2017, 06:42:40 PM
I did an 8 km race yesterday in a region of the Province where I lived for 8 years and started running 35 years ago.  The main race was a half marathon that I used to run as a preparation for my marathons during my marathon running days. Those days are over but yesterday I used the 8 km race option as a preparation for a half marathon that I am planning to run on Sep 24 in Montréal.     

It was very cold early in the morning but the sun came out just in time for the start of the race.

I ran a 42:12 which translates to a pace of 8:30 miles compared to the 8:36 pace of my 5 km race of three weeks ago.  Overall I was 19 out of 44 participants.  I was very happy with the results. 

   
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on October 17, 2017, 05:17:47 PM
Well! I did run the Half Marathon in Montréal on Sep 24 which is part of the Rock N Roll series of Marathons worldwide.

Leading up to the race, the training went well. I did the half marathon distance two weeks prior to the race in 2hr19 at what was for me a conservative pace. Taking 10 minutes off that time would be easy on race day, so I thought. Little did I know.   

About a week prior to the race I started to look at the long term weather forecasts for Montréal. It did not look good but the weather guessers often get it wrong especially that long in advance. However, as the week went by the forecasts did not change. It was going to be hot and humid.

I was hoping that the organizers would start the race earlier than the planned 9:00AM start and on Thursday (Sep 20), they announced that the full marathon race (42.2K) was cancelled because of the expected heat. Those that were registered for that race could run the half marathon instead or get reimbursed. With regards to the half marathon, the start was going to be one hour earlier with a time limit of three hours. The earlier start made a big difference in my decision to go.

On the day before the race, the forecast was for 30C with a humidex of 39C in the afternoon and no clouds.

Given the forecast, I had resolved that I would do it with a goal of simply finishing under 2hr30 and use extreme caution so as not to get a heat stroke. I would also take in more liquids (water & Gatorade) than I would normally in a race of that distance and I would walk while taking in the liquids. 

I estimated that I could run one hour at an easy pace before the heat slowed me down and that is exactly what happened.  The announced humidex at the time of the start was 29C. I took off at a conservative pace and after about one hour I started to feel the heat. When we were shielded from the sun by trees or tall buildings I could still do a shuffle but when we were directly under the sun I had to take some walk breaks as my head was getting very light. A lot of runners were doing the same walk and run shuffle.

I was quite glad when the finish line came up and that I was under the revised goal of 2hr30. My official time was 2hr28:09. At the finish line I was at times walking like a drunk until I could get some food and liquids in my stomach. 

According to the official results, I was 8,632 out of 18,644 registered and 156 out of 316 in the men 60-64 category. Those numbers are misleading because as far as I can tell, there were only 11,611 finishers. Thousands did not start the race or did not finish it.


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Sunday (Oct 15) I revisited the 10 km run I did last year as a comeback 10 km race. Based on my last track workout two weeks prior, I knew that last year's time of 57:08 would be easily beaten provided the weather cooperated.  Well, I beat it by 3:44 for an official time of 53:24.  I was 2nd out of 7 in my age category (60-69) and 35th out of 242 overall. I was quite happy with those results. For the first time ever I followed a pace bunny. I followed the 55:00 pace bunny to 7 km and then I went for it as I still had a lot of juice left. He really helped me hold back at the start, thus the reason that I was able to do negative splits. 

Here's a picture taken by a professional near the finish line.   

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I am now planning to run another 10 km race this coming Sunday in Moncton. It will be my last race this year. 
 

Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: jimmy on October 17, 2017, 07:48:11 PM
Way to go, Leon!
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: squeezer on October 17, 2017, 09:34:51 PM
Damn, that rocks. Congrats!
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 18, 2017, 06:17:05 AM
That is awesome Leon! Rockin' it!
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: viffergyrl on October 18, 2017, 07:51:24 AM
Congratulations!
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on October 18, 2017, 09:31:51 AM
Awesome Job and much respect!   :bigok:
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: CLAY on October 18, 2017, 08:54:57 PM
N ice work man!
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on October 20, 2017, 11:34:02 AM
Thanks everybody! 

Weather looks promising for upcoming race on Sunday (Oct 22).

I'll be running the 10k race.  At 34 my daughter will be running her first ever race. She's doing the 5k race.   
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on October 20, 2017, 02:15:43 PM
Well that's a tough one follow up against. 

Tomorrow morning I'm running my first official 5k.   True to form, just like my  only prior officially sanctioned event,  I went and rolled my ankle/foot last Sunday doing my routine neighborhood slog.   A week of rest and at crap load of Ibuprofen and well it feels good enough. 

The run will be on an all grass Air Museum  air field, so I'm not going to judge myself against the clock.  My only goal is to finish it with more running than walking.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 20, 2017, 05:47:34 PM
Good luck!
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on October 22, 2017, 03:08:43 PM
Fat boy survived the 5K
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 23, 2017, 06:14:04 AM
Congrats! Did better than you thought you would?
You have a cadence tracker?
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on October 23, 2017, 06:38:42 AM
Congrats! Did better than you thought you would?
You have a cadence tracker?

yea I guess I did a little.  Running on the grass was certainly different than hard surface running,  more muscles were feeling it later in the day too  :P.    Took it out a little hard and paid for it.  You should be able to see all the info in MMR??. 

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Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on October 23, 2017, 07:50:53 AM
Fat boy survived the 5K
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on October 23, 2017, 08:42:56 AM
Well, I did another 10k race yesterday. It turns out that I still had a little more in me than I thought. This time I did not follow a pace bunny as I did last week and I lowered my time to 51:50.  That was good enough for 4th out of 21 in my 69-69 age category. 

If somebody had told me in the spring that I was going to run a 51:50 10k this year I would not have believed them. I thought that maybe 54 was possible. I now believe that unless I lose more weight, this is it for this 61 year old man but we’ll see what happens next year. I’ll probably do the same as this year, do a bike ride in May-June, this time to Alaska and back including the D2D and then train for some Sept-Oct races.

Here’s what the results of yesterday’s race look like.

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Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on October 23, 2017, 09:05:59 AM
Awesome!!

I can only aspire to those times..and I only turn 50 next year  :o
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 23, 2017, 10:42:43 AM
Congrats! Did better than you thought you would?
You have a cadence tracker?

yea I guess I did a little.  Running on the grass was certainly different than hard surface running,  more muscles were feeling it later in the day too  :P.    Took it out a little hard and paid for it.  You should be able to see all the info in MMR??. 

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I did, that was when I noticed the cadence tracker.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 23, 2017, 10:46:41 AM
Well, I did another 10k race yesterday. It turns out that I still had a little more in me than I thought. This time I did not follow a pace bunny as I did last week and I lowered my time to 51:50.  That was good enough for 4th out of 21 in my 69-69 age category. 

If somebody had told me in the spring that I was going to run a 51:50 10k this year I would not have believed them. I thought that maybe 54 was possible. I now believe that unless I lose more weight, this is it for this 61 year old man but we’ll see what happens next year. I’ll probably do the same as this year, do a bike ride in May-June, this time to Alaska and back including the D2D and then train for some Sept-Oct races.

Here’s what the results of yesterday’s race look like.

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Those are some awesome times.  I wish I could do a 51:50 now.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on October 23, 2017, 11:02:17 AM
Congrats! Did better than you thought you would?
You have a cadence tracker?

yea I guess I did a little.  Running on the grass was certainly different than hard surface running,  more muscles were feeling it later in the day too  :P.    Took it out a little hard and paid for it.  You should be able to see all the info in MMR??. 

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I did, that was when I noticed the cadence tracker.

All the info is getting logged (for better or worse) by my Garmin Fenix3HR watch.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on December 20, 2017, 06:02:24 AM
Not sure if the yoga or fast pace treadmill work helped, but I just ran my first 27:08 5k, averaging 8:44 miles. I jacked up MMR when I was looking how far I to go but the flying miles it did record showed 8:44. Best time yet for a 5k, but distance still has not come back. I'm hoping in the spring if I keep doing what I am doing gym/yoga wise.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on December 20, 2017, 06:54:40 PM
Congrats! 

That time tells me you can easily do a 10K under 60 minutes.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on January 02, 2018, 11:20:49 AM
Congrats! 

That time tells me you can easily do a 10K under 60 minutes.

That would be awesome, and I may try for that, once the ice leaves. Now Mrs. Wedge is convinced we need to do a Triathlon this year, so training goals may change.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on January 10, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
Awesome!!

I can only aspire to those times..and I only turn 50 next year  :o

Taking a break Ed? Haven't been able to 'like' any runs lately. You will notice my training changed a bit for a 750m swim, and 20k bike and 5k run Mrs. Wedge has talked me into. EOE thread to come....
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on January 10, 2018, 11:07:14 AM
Yes... but not so much by choice  :-[

  I got some appropriate gear for colder weather running for Christmas.  Then we got hit by the Arctic Blast and finally Bombogenesis.  Now I know 8" of snow is nothing for anyone north of the Mason Dixon line,  but it can paralyze this area.   Road plows, salt, sand just don't seem to exist here.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Virginian on January 16, 2018, 11:45:01 AM
Get your tread on!

http://youtu.be/IWu9o5zrj3g (http://youtu.be/IWu9o5zrj3g)
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on January 16, 2018, 01:24:40 PM
Get your tread on!

[url]http://youtu.be/IWu9o5zrj3g[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/IWu9o5zrj3g[/url])


I love the video. Maybe I wouldn't dread the dreadmill if I could dance like that 

Did a 5 mile run today and it was a little slippery in spots but it wasn't too bad.

Recently there was a stretch of about 3 weeks where I had to run on an indoor track that is just short of 200M. The ice on the roads just would not go away. On that indoor track you have to do 8 1/2 laps to do 1 mile. It gets boring after a while. One day I did 8 miles (68 laps) on that track. It is located on the local university campus and when I go in the morning there is very few people on it.

I had to run on the dreadmill once in that 3 week stretch because there was a track competition on it on a weekend.       

I haven't posted my 2017 numbers yet. Here they are:

Miles:  885.5
Runs:  161
Average run: 5.5 miles
Lifetime miles: 25,064
Races in 2017: 5  (1x5K  1x8K   2x10K  1x21.1K)

2017 was my best running year since 1993 which was the last year that I ran a marathon. 

If everything go well, I'll probably run a half marathon this year and 2 or 3 other shorter races. 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on January 16, 2018, 01:59:54 PM
Get your tread on!

[url]http://youtu.be/IWu9o5zrj3g[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/IWu9o5zrj3g[/url])


I love the video. Maybe I wouldn't dread the dreadmill if I could dance like that 

Did a 5 mile run today and it was a little slippery in spots but it wasn't too bad.

Recently there was a stretch of about 3 weeks where I had to run on an indoor track that is just short of 200M. The ice on the roads just would not go away. On that indoor track you have to do 8 1/2 laps to do 1 mile. It gets boring after a while. One day I did 8 miles (68 laps) on that track. It is located on the local university campus and when I go in the morning there is very few people on it.

I had to run on the dreadmill once in that 3 week stretch because there was a track competition on it on a weekend.       

I haven't posted my 2017 numbers yet. Here they are:

Miles:  885.5
Runs:  161
Average run: 5.5 miles
Lifetime miles: 25,064
Races in 2017: 5  (1x5K  1x8K   2x10K  1x21.1K)

2017 was my best running year since 1993 which was the last year that I ran a marathon. 

If everything go well, I'll probably run a half marathon this year and 2 or 3 other shorter races.


That is a good year indeed.  I'd love to back to marathon lengths again. Working with a doc to get back there.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Vulcanbill on March 29, 2018, 12:19:53 PM
Turns out, it hurts.  It's been a long time since I have been chased by anything that can do me bodily harm.  I probably haven't intentionally run farther than the width of a busy street in, oh....  10 - 15 years.  This freaking puppy is getting faster and faster and it's in our best interest to wear him out when the opportunity presents.  So, lately, I've found myself running my fat #$$ up the driveway or on some various trails just to try to keep this little land piranha from bouncing off the walls.  While it's probably literally going to add years to my life when all said and done, the body doesn't adjust well to that type of pounding all at once.   But you can't fall off the floor.  Gotta start somewhere. 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: zer0netgain on March 29, 2018, 03:58:05 PM
And if you’re overweight, It hurts all the more so.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Vulcanbill on March 30, 2018, 11:24:13 AM
My weight is perfect.


I'm just a foot and a half too short. 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on April 02, 2018, 06:04:44 AM
Land piranhas will get you motivated. I took mine for a two mile run Sunday morning. It was 27 degrees and I was comfy in bed. Without her, I would have stayed another hour or two.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on April 02, 2018, 07:36:36 AM
Turns out, it hurts.  It's been a long time since I have been chased by anything that can do me bodily harm.  I probably haven't intentionally run farther than the width of a busy street in, oh....  10 - 15 years.  This freaking puppy is getting faster and faster and it's in our best interest to wear him out when the opportunity presents.  So, lately, I've found myself running my fat #$$ up the driveway or on some various trails just to try to keep this little land piranha from bouncing off the walls.  While it's probably literally going to add years to my life when all said and done, the body doesn't adjust well to that type of pounding all at once.   But you can't fall off the floor.  Gotta start somewhere.

Maybe I could run with your land piranha if we lived in the same city.   :)

I go by the local SPCA on one of my running routes. I sometimes have thoughts of stopping to see if there are well trained dogs there that need a bit of exercise but I never did stop.

One time I was running in the City of Moncton NB where I live and this dog who was obviously lost started to follow me thinking he found a friend. He followed me home running in and out of traffic and getting vehicles to swerve, brake and beep their horns to miss him. Some were yelling at me to get my dog off the road and there is nothing I could do to stop him. When I got home I couldn't find a dog tag on him to help identify who was the owner. I got him in the car and dropped him at the SPCA. I called a couple days later and was saddened when they told me he bit someone and they had to put him down.       
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on April 02, 2018, 07:49:41 AM
Bummer of a story Acadian, but at least you tried to help him.

The GSD loves to go running.  She is just a helluva lot at doing it than me and takes me out kinda hard.   I've got to work on holding her back a little more at the start of a run so that doesn't run me out of gas so soon.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on April 02, 2018, 11:20:32 AM
That is sad. I had a boxer turn up at my house while I snowblowing. Two stroke blasting away, turned around and he was 3 feet from me. Scared the crap out of me. Did not mind the snowblower. Gave him some treats, started walking him around the hood.  Saw a panicky owner running down the street. Owner was mortified..
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on May 14, 2018, 05:32:35 PM
So far this year I've done 3 races. The first two were odd distance races at 13 km and 15 km but they were perfect tune up race for the half marathon I ran yesterday. The weatherman gave us perfect weather for the event which was run on a flat, fast and certified course.

Based on last year’s last 10k race (51:50) I knew that I still had it in me to do a half marathon under two hours and I did just that yesterday with a chip time of 1:59:13 and a gun time of 1:59:52. That gave me a 10th place out of 28 in my men age category of 60-69 and 249 out of 616 overall.

Now I can say that I ran a sub two hour half marathon at 62.   

Next race is a 10k race on May 27 and then I'm off on 6-7 week MC trip. Can't wait. 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on May 15, 2018, 10:45:09 AM
So far this year I've done 3 races. The first two were odd distance races at 13 km and 15 km but they were perfect tune up race for the half marathon I ran yesterday. The weatherman gave us perfect weather for the event which was run on a flat, fast and certified course.

Based on last year’s last 10k race (51:50) I knew that I still had it in me to do a half marathon under two hours and I did just that yesterday with a chip time of 1:59:13 and a gun time of 1:59:52. That gave me a 10th place out of 28 in my men age category of 60-69 and 249 out of 616 overall.

Now I can say that I ran a sub two hour half marathon at 62.   

Next race is a 10k race on May 27 and then I'm off on 6-7 week MC trip. Can't wait.

Awesome! good times too! Beat a lot of younguns.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on October 09, 2018, 04:18:15 PM
Sooo... this weekend is the Joggin for Frogmen 5K and both Mrs and I have signed up for it.   The good news is that Hurricane Michael should move through here on Friday and be gone by Saturday.   The bad news is this event takes place on a grass air strip.  After the rain from Michael its going to be like running through a swamp   :-[
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on October 10, 2018, 05:37:53 AM
Sounds sloppy. Golf shoes? Baseball cleats?
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: sodapop6620 on October 14, 2018, 08:15:41 PM
Turns out, it hurts.  It's been a long time since I have been chased by anything that can do me bodily harm.  I probably haven't intentionally run farther than the width of a busy street in, oh....  10 - 15 years.  This freaking puppy is getting faster and faster and it's in our best interest to wear him out when the opportunity presents.  So, lately, I've found myself running my fat #$$ up the driveway or on some various trails just to try to keep this little land piranha from bouncing off the walls.  While it's probably literally going to add years to my life when all said and done, the body doesn't adjust well to that type of pounding all at once.   But you can't fall off the floor.  Gotta start somewhere.

My neighbor uses a bicycle to walk his dogs. He has 2 dogs and there is a leash buddy for the bike that allows the dogs to run but they can't get away.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Cablebandit on October 15, 2018, 04:28:58 AM
When Oscar was a pup walking/running/etc did nothing.  Dogs bred to hunt all day just don't tire from it.  We only found that HOURS of swimming would knock the edge off.

If I ran anywhere today I'd probably drop dead before getting there for various reasons.
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: radon222 on October 15, 2018, 05:12:14 AM
I would love to try bicyling with Sadie.  But I'd probably have to start out wearing full ATGATT. 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Acadian Rider on January 22, 2019, 12:37:08 PM
2018 was a great running year for me. Here are my numbers:

Miles: 941
Runs: 158
Miles per run: 5.96
Lifetime miles: 26,004

In 2018 I did nine races. Seven of them were part of the Super Series of races we have here in the Province of NB where you get points depending on your result by age category. It turns out that I finished 5th in the points in the Province in my age category for the year. There are better runners than me that had fewer points but they also ran fewer points races. 

Here are two screen shots. One shows the final rankings and the other my individual points race rankings per race. Notice that I finally won the Dam Race  :bigsmile: on the last points race of the year. 

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Final 60-69 rankings showing me in 5th place


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Individual points race rankings


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Receiving a 3rd place medal at April 7th race before I shaved off my winter beard


Not all races are part of the Super Series of races or points races. I did two races other than the seven Super Series races mentioned above.  I did a half marathon under 2 hours (1:59:13) and a 5k race just under 25 min (24:53). Those two races were on certified courses. I managed to bring down my over 60 years old 10k time to 51:11 which was not on a certified course. I tried to break 51 on the last race of the year but I failed. However, as stayed above, I did win that race in my age category.

I was healthy all year except for a slight hamstring pull in August after I got back from my Alaska bike trip. That set me back a little bit and I had to hold back for one race after that. 

I’ll continue to run and race in 2019 as long as my body holds up to it. 
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: viffergyrl on January 22, 2019, 12:40:08 PM
That's great Leon! Keep on keeping on.... :gdog:
Title: Re: Talk to me about running
Post by: Max Wedge on January 24, 2019, 05:58:17 AM
 :clap: :bigok: