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Title: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 23, 2016, 11:52:43 PM
Well, it looks like the UK is out of the EU. How immensely stupid. The pound has already lost 3% and there's worse to come.

I agree with this quote:

Labour former Europe Minister Keith Vaz told the BBC the British people had voted with their "emotions" and rejected the advice of experts who had warned about economic impacting of leaving the EU.
He added: "It will be catastrophic for our country, for the rest of Europe and for the rest of the world."
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 24, 2016, 12:20:55 AM
But at least you guys will be able to kick the darkies out.  I mean, that is what it was all about, right?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 24, 2016, 12:24:14 AM
But at least you guys will be able to kick the darkies out.  I mean, that is what it was all about, right?

Sigh. Yes, it's what it seems to be about. Fecking English twats.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 24, 2016, 12:40:15 AM
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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on June 24, 2016, 12:43:19 AM
Well, it looks like the UK is out of the EU. How immensely stupid. The pound has already lost 3% and there's worse to come.

Down 10% as of this writing  :o


This result completely surprised me. I thought that the UK would stay and they would just have to deal with making the losing side happy, but.... wtf are they thinking???




Now I am curious to see what Scotland does.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 24, 2016, 12:48:18 AM



Now I am curious to see what Scotland does.  :popcorn:


Get the fook oot, I ken.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 24, 2016, 01:21:04 AM



Now I am curious to see what Scotland does.  :popcorn:


Get the fook oot, I ken.

And justifiably so.

Whoever in their right minds thought to give such a complex decision to the sodding people? Isn't that what we pay politicians for? To make complex decisions on our behalf? Oh no, Cameron thought up this idea to help him win the last general election and to appease the Tory right wing.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on June 24, 2016, 05:53:56 AM
And now there are voters who "regret" their Leave vote, thinking that it wouldn't count.


WTF???  :nuts:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 24, 2016, 07:43:09 AM
It is heart breaking and so incredibly stupid.

I want to apply to France as a refugee.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: sleazy rider on June 24, 2016, 08:37:29 AM
We can possibly end up with the same situation here, unfortunately.  Sorry it happened and sorry in advance for the catastrophes to come.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: expatbrit on June 24, 2016, 09:44:44 AM
Well, it looks like the UK is out of the EU. How immensely stupid. The pound has already lost 3% and there's worse to come.

Down 10% as of this writing  :o


This result completely surprised me. I thought that the UK would stay and they would just have to deal with making the losing side happy, but.... wtf are they thinking???




Now I am curious to see what Scotland does.  :popcorn:


Yeah. I was hoping for a close vote; get some reform in the EU out of fear, but stay in and influence it. Definitely feels like an emotional / last-minute patriotism vote, and points out some huge divides back home.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Scratch on June 24, 2016, 10:00:56 AM

I want to apply to France as a refugee.

Have you considered 'murica?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on June 24, 2016, 10:25:07 AM

I want to apply to France as a refugee.

Have you considered 'murica?

Have you considered Scotland?   :beerchug:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 24, 2016, 10:50:22 AM
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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 24, 2016, 01:57:31 PM
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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 24, 2016, 02:01:40 PM
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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 24, 2016, 02:40:58 PM
So y'all don't think the financial markets have been hedging their positions in both directions for the last several months, adjusting with the latest polls?

And what happens if UK continues on economically essentially the same as before the vote?  It seems Switzerland hasn't collapsed in a financial pyre yet.  Nor has Norway.  Maybe the UK will simply carry on, only with more local control.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 24, 2016, 02:54:22 PM
An arrangement similar to Norway's would be the last thing anybody in Britain would want.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 24, 2016, 02:55:57 PM
An arrangement similar to Norway's would be the last thing anybody in Britain would want.

Explain why.  (Honestly, I don't know)  I have a few Norwegian friends and aside from not liking their gun regulations, they really like Norway.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 24, 2016, 04:14:39 PM
There's nothing wrong with Norway.  The thing is, its relationship with the EU is exactly what 52% of Britons just voted against.

Norway has to accept all of the EU rules but gets no say in the EU rule-making, and to get the free trade agreement with the EU they also have to accept the free movement of people, which is just what the Brexit vote was all about preventing.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 24, 2016, 04:30:30 PM
There's nothing wrong with Norway.  The thing is, its relationship with the EU is exactly what 52% of Britons just voted against.

Norway has to accept all of the EU rules but gets no say in the EU rule-making, and to get the free trade agreement with the EU they also have to accept the free movement of people, which is just what the Brexit vote was all about preventing.

No, only about 20% of the laws apply to them, and most are related to commerce.  Norway already had acceptable immigration laws in place (at least that's what I'm told).
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 24, 2016, 05:44:14 PM
Here is some reading on the subject:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16/eu-referendum-comparing-norway-and-switzerland-with-the-uk/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16/eu-referendum-comparing-norway-and-switzerland-with-the-uk/)
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/what-would-a-norway-style-relationship-with-the-eu-entail/ (http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/what-would-a-norway-style-relationship-with-the-eu-entail/)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/27/norway-eu-reality-uk-voters-seduced-by-norwegian-model (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/27/norway-eu-reality-uk-voters-seduced-by-norwegian-model)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 24, 2016, 07:35:30 PM
From one of your links:

Quote
Norway can theoretically refuse to implement EU legislation, but it has never used this power. Whilst it is a legitimate tool, it has major drawbacks limiting its practical effectiveness. Norway’s ‘right of veto’ does not stop the EU enacting legislation and, if it relates to product standards or financial regulations, for example, Norway cannot use the old ones to continue to export to the EU and can therefore find itself locked out of the Single Market in the areas affected.

So Norway can veto non-commercial regulations with out consequence (as I was told)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: R Doug on June 24, 2016, 08:54:51 PM
It's a sad day and there's a chance the US ins't far behind if the Donald gets in.  Scotland won't be able to pull it off.  The EU and NATO have strongly opposed which means they won't let Scotland in.  Little Scotland, as a country, couldn't survive on its own.

My money is Germany may be next.  Have the EU has been sucking on its teat for too long. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Jim on June 24, 2016, 10:06:46 PM
We can possibly end up with the same situation here

Radio today was saying "Texit 2018" 

Texas Exit...

Hmmm...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on June 25, 2016, 02:59:17 AM
So y'all don't think the financial markets have been hedging their positions in both directions for the last several months, adjusting with the latest polls?

But "the latest polls" (including up to the end of the voting period) still put the final vote on Remain. It would have been impossible to adjust for that. Plus, the financial markets have more than just where their money is virtually, but also physically. There were talks about major banking industries moving from London to (possibly) Frankfurt. THAT is something that one does not do lightly.


And what happens if UK continues on economically essentially the same as before the vote?  It seems Switzerland hasn't collapsed in a financial pyre yet.  Nor has Norway.  Maybe the UK will simply carry on, only with more local control.

Ah, but consider that Switzerland and Norway have never been part of the EU, have already negotiated trade agreements and controls and migration numbers. The UK did this, but as part of the EU: Now that they are to leave, every single trade agreement, regulation, etc, has to be looked at and re-written. And the EU may not go easy on the UK, as there are other EU Member states who toy with the idea of leaving. If the EU makes it easy for the UK, then others may try to follow suit. But if the EU takes a hard-line approach to warn others away, then the UK will have an even harder time of it.

That being said, the EU stated that they want to sever the connection "as soon as possible", so there may be some lenient negotiations just to clear the way.


I found this analogy on the Brexit itself. It doesn't cover too much about the post-Brexit implications, but for those who don't fully understand the UK/EU split, it might help:
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12023670/brexit-results-referendum-america (http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12023670/brexit-results-referendum-america)

This webpage goes into much more detail on the economic quagmire that the UK is in:
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/23/12021222/brexit-what-happens-next (http://www.vox.com/2016/6/23/12021222/brexit-what-happens-next)


Anyway, it is a big deal. I've read some comments on the internet where someone says "Oh, give it a couple of days and let the markets settle". Sure, there will be some settling of markets. But in the background, there is a mountain of movement and shuffling of people, companies and money that is difficult to fathom.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Formerly Known as Bigfoot on June 25, 2016, 03:08:10 AM
But at least you guys will be able to kick the darkies out.  I mean, that is what it was all about, right?

Yay.  Politics.  Since you started it.  Maybe they just want to be able to control who comes into their country.  No one can claim that with this mass immigration from certain countries they aren't seeing major issues.  But go ahead and make it what you want.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 25, 2016, 04:07:14 AM
But at least you guys will be able to kick the darkies out.  I mean, that is what it was all about, right?


Yay.  Politics.  Since you started it.  Maybe they just want to be able to control who comes into their country.  No one can claim that with this mass immigration from certain countries they aren't seeing major issues.  But go ahead and make it what you want.


Sadly, the scare stories on immigration by the Leave campaign may have swung it. See the entirely genuine interview in the pics above.

There are 3 types of immigrants in the UK. Entirely legal ones, mainly from Eastern Europe. who have benefited the economy.

Refugees. Our record on accepting them has been shameful. Refugee is self explanatory. Most are fleeing one of the Muslim wars.

Illegal immigrants. Mainly economic migrants from Africa. The UK already had the option to stop them and our ability to stop them will be hampered by the Brexit. I can't see France hanging onto the Calais migrants-they will all be in England soon. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36626553 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36626553)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 25, 2016, 06:32:47 AM
So y'all don't think the financial markets have been hedging their positions in both directions for the last several months, adjusting with the latest polls?

But "the latest polls" (including up to the end of the voting period) still put the final vote on Remain. It would have been impossible to adjust for that. Plus, the financial markets have more than just where their money is virtually, but also physically. There were talks about major banking industries moving from London to (possibly) Frankfurt. THAT is something that one does not do lightly.


And what happens if UK continues on economically essentially the same as before the vote?  It seems Switzerland hasn't collapsed in a financial pyre yet.  Nor has Norway.  Maybe the UK will simply carry on, only with more local control.

Ah, but consider that Switzerland and Norway have never been part of the EU, have already negotiated trade agreements and controls and migration numbers. The UK did this, but as part of the EU: Now that they are to leave, every single trade agreement, regulation, etc, has to be looked at and re-written. And the EU may not go easy on the UK, as there are other EU Member states who toy with the idea of leaving. If the EU makes it easy for the UK, then others may try to follow suit. But if the EU takes a hard-line approach to warn others away, then the UK will have an even harder time of it.

That being said, the EU stated that they want to sever the connection "as soon as possible", so there may be some lenient negotiations just to clear the way.


I found this analogy on the Brexit itself. It doesn't cover too much about the post-Brexit implications, but for those who don't fully understand the UK/EU split, it might help:
[url]http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12023670/brexit-results-referendum-america[/url] ([url]http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12023670/brexit-results-referendum-america[/url])

This webpage goes into much more detail on the economic quagmire that the UK is in:
[url]http://www.vox.com/2016/6/23/12021222/brexit-what-happens-next[/url] ([url]http://www.vox.com/2016/6/23/12021222/brexit-what-happens-next[/url])


Anyway, it is a big deal. I've read some comments on the internet where someone says "Oh, give it a couple of days and let the markets settle". Sure, there will be some settling of markets. But in the background, there is a mountain of movement and shuffling of people, companies and money that is difficult to fathom.

A lot of this is fear mongering.  Greece is going to default and much of the EU is ready to jettison them, yet no one is claiming disaster will ensue.  Yes, banks will lose a lot of money but somehow it would be doable, but undesirable.  One of the economic engines of the EU opts out and the world is going to crash into a recession over essentially political and bureaucratic red tape?  Seems a little hyperbolic.  The basics of the European economy (and world economies) is basically unchanged.  Some may shift headquarters, others not, but that can occur secondary to any number of factors .

For the UK, the biggest threat is they lose the buffer of the larger EU in times of economic downturn. 

I can tell you most of these large multinationals and DEFINITELY the multinational banks have physicists and mathematicians on well paid salaries who have gone through all sorts of iterations via game theory on what will happen with UK in or out of the EU.  These guys don't sit back and wait to react, they have plans of all sorts backed by contingency plans.  Relax, the global economy will survive.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 25, 2016, 08:56:20 AM
Many of these large corporations (banks especially) have been working on contingency plans, and a lot of those plans involve substantially leaving the UK.
The City's position as financial center of the EU is not merely in jeopardy- it is going to end as such.

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 25, 2016, 09:01:22 AM
But at least you guys will be able to kick the darkies out.  I mean, that is what it was all about, right?

Yay.  Politics.  Since you started it.  Maybe they just want to be able to control who comes into their country.  No one can claim that with this mass immigration from certain countries they aren't seeing major issues.  But go ahead and make it what you want.

Don't kid yourself. Politics started with the creation of this thread.

Everybody in the UK admits that immigration has been an economic benefit- it's just that 52% of the voters (mainly the older ones- the younger the voter, the more likely to vote "remain") just don't care that immigrants are beneficial to the economy, they just don't want them.

Sure, there was a heaping side order of resentment that the UK had to follow rules created by EU beareaucrats in Brussels, but it was mainly about immigration.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 25, 2016, 09:46:53 AM
But at least you guys will be able to kick the darkies out.  I mean, that is what it was all about, right?

Yay.  Politics.  Since you started it.  Maybe they just want to be able to control who comes into their country.  No one can claim that with this mass immigration from certain countries they aren't seeing major issues.  But go ahead and make it what you want.

Don't kid yourself. Politics started with the creation of this thread.

Everybody in the UK admits that immigration has been an economic benefit- it's just that 52% of the voters (mainly the older ones- the younger the voter, the more likely to vote "remain") just don't care that immigrants are beneficial to the economy, they just don't want them.

Sure, there was a heaping side order of resentment that the UK had to follow rules created by EU beareaucrats in Brussels, but it was mainly about immigration.

That is certainly one side's take on this.  My friends in the UK who are my age simply do not like the regulatory burdens and changes that adversely affect them.  They feel they have virtually no voice in the process and want more local control.  You will, of course, smirk and assume it's about immigrants, but there's not much I can do about it.  For the Remain side, it gives them the sense of moral superiority in their loss to try and frame it as such.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 25, 2016, 10:30:39 AM
There is a lot wrong with the EU which needs reform, not least the regulatory burdens your friends mention. The system is that employed Commissioners make these regulations and laws and the EU parliament approves them or amends them or rejects them. The EU parliament is accountable to the electorate-the Commissioners are not. That could usefully change. The UK took a number of opt outs from EU law and regulation.

Saying that they have no control is a bit disingenuous on their part, though. Voting in the EU elections and lobbying your MEP might have had more success than complaining about it and trashing the economy.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: rgbeard on June 25, 2016, 10:56:01 AM
#REGREXIT

Haha!!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/petition-eu-referendum-million-signatures_us_576e58ebe4b0dbb1bbbab919?section= (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/petition-eu-referendum-million-signatures_us_576e58ebe4b0dbb1bbbab919?section=)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/regrexit-eu-referendum_us_576e8217e4b0dbb1bbbabc7a?section= (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/regrexit-eu-referendum_us_576e8217e4b0dbb1bbbabc7a?section=)

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 25, 2016, 10:58:22 AM
I couldn't say, but the impression I get from them is, the MEP's are generally bought off by wealthy/powerful interests--much like US senators and representatives.  They felt essentially voiceless.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 25, 2016, 01:24:24 PM
I couldn't say, but the impression I get from them is, the MEP's are generally bought off by wealthy/powerful interests--much like US senators and representatives.  They felt essentially voiceless.

Most people in the UK don't know who their MEP is. And turnouts for EU elections was always very poor. If you don't vote, if you don't care, more fool you.

We're stuffed.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on June 25, 2016, 01:59:25 PM
Papa, do you know if this Referendum is legally binding?

Just checked, and this site says that it is not.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Formerly Known as Bigfoot on June 25, 2016, 03:43:11 PM
It is heart breaking and so incredibly stupid.

I want to apply to France as a refugee.


Feel free.

http://lawofficer.com/2015/12/france-closes-down-mosques-334-war-grade-weapons-found/ (http://lawofficer.com/2015/12/france-closes-down-mosques-334-war-grade-weapons-found/)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Scratch on June 25, 2016, 05:08:21 PM
It is heart breaking and so incredibly stupid.

I want to apply to France as a refugee.


Feel free.

[url]http://lawofficer.com/2015/12/france-closes-down-mosques-334-war-grade-weapons-found/[/url] ([url]http://lawofficer.com/2015/12/france-closes-down-mosques-334-war-grade-weapons-found/[/url])


What are "war-grade weapons"?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cookie on June 25, 2016, 05:50:16 PM
AR15s. Don't you watch the news?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 25, 2016, 07:42:44 PM
But at least you guys will be able to kick the darkies out.  I mean, that is what it was all about, right?

Yay.  Politics.  Since you started it.  Maybe they just want to be able to control who comes into their country.  No one can claim that with this mass immigration from certain countries they aren't seeing major issues.  But go ahead and make it what you want.

Don't kid yourself. Politics started with the creation of this thread.

Everybody in the UK admits that immigration has been an economic benefit- it's just that 52% of the voters (mainly the older ones- the younger the voter, the more likely to vote "remain") just don't care that immigrants are beneficial to the economy, they just don't want them.

Sure, there was a heaping side order of resentment that the UK had to follow rules created by EU beareaucrats in Brussels, but it was mainly about immigration.

That is certainly one side's take on this.  My friends in the UK who are my age simply do not like the regulatory burdens and changes that adversely affect them.  They feel they have virtually no voice in the process and want more local control.  You will, of course, smirk and assume it's about immigrants, but there's not much I can do about it.  For the Remain side, it gives them the sense of moral superiority in their loss to try and frame it as such.


The "regulatory burdens" angle was in fact the intellectual opposition to EU membership- but the intellectuals overwhelmingly voted to stay.  UKIP expressly made it a referendum on immigration, and there is a strong correlation between areas (and demographics) with high UKIP support voting to exit.

So yes, there were arguments made for leaving that weren't about immigration, but those arguments aren't why most voted to leave- and that reality has nothing to do with me smirking or not, or having any sense of moral superiority.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 25, 2016, 09:57:19 PM
Then, there is this:

http://youtu.be/nZO9JGSScMQ (http://youtu.be/nZO9JGSScMQ)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: coho on June 25, 2016, 10:32:43 PM
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There's video here:
http://theslot.jezebel.com/man-who-voted-for-brexit-is-a-bit-shocked-his-vote-coun-1782553004 (http://theslot.jezebel.com/man-who-voted-for-brexit-is-a-bit-shocked-his-vote-coun-1782553004)
It's not YouTube or Vimeo so I couldn't figure out how to embed it. Bugger.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 26, 2016, 02:40:42 AM
Papa, do you know if this Referendum is legally binding?

Just checked, and this site says that it is not.

[url]http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament[/url] ([url]http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament[/url])


No referendum is legally binding. But that doesn't change a thing.

Us remainers are still clutching at straws.

Then, there is this:

[url]http://youtu.be/nZO9JGSScMQ[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/nZO9JGSScMQ[/url])


Exactly. The people have spoken. This woman is so terminally thick that she is a good example of the people.

This Ebay seller said he was too confused to vote and now has his ballot paper for sale. Too confused or too greedy? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EU-Referendum-2016-Vote-Remain-or-Leave-Unused-Ballot-Paper-/262496533363?hash=item3d1e033b73:g:cooAAOSwNuxXbTqr (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EU-Referendum-2016-Vote-Remain-or-Leave-Unused-Ballot-Paper-/262496533363?hash=item3d1e033b73:g:cooAAOSwNuxXbTqr)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: kneescrubber on June 27, 2016, 11:58:27 AM
We can possibly end up with the same situation here

Radio today was saying "Texit 2018" 

Texas Exit...

Hmmm...

That'll never happen. Regardless of what Miles thinks about Texas; there aren't that many stupid Texans to ever pull it off.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 27, 2016, 01:09:42 PM
We can possibly end up with the same situation here

Radio today was saying "Texit 2018" 

Texas Exit...

Hmmm...

That'll never happen. Regardless of what Miles thinks about Texas; there aren't that many stupid Texans to ever pull it off.


Heh.   
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Meemuh on June 27, 2016, 05:03:32 PM
And now Iceland beat you...rough week.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 28, 2016, 01:35:15 AM
And now Iceland beat you...rough week.

I'm Welsh.  :twofinger:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on June 28, 2016, 01:55:07 AM
Nice save, papa  ;D  It was a great game.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 28, 2016, 02:57:34 AM
Always happy to see the English suffer.  :)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on June 28, 2016, 07:17:33 AM
I think you have a lot to look forward to then... things aren´t looking good for an easy Brexit.


And my god - Borris? What Muppet show did he escape from?!?!?!
This could be a great year for stand-up comics...

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: expatbrit on June 28, 2016, 04:12:27 PM
There's nothing wrong with Norway.  The thing is, its relationship with the EU is exactly what 52% of Britons just voted against.

Norway has to accept all of the EU rules but gets no say in the EU rule-making, and to get the free trade agreement with the EU they also have to accept the free movement of people, which is just what the Brexit vote was all about preventing.

Yup. Abide by the rules you have no say in, or abide by the rules with a chance to influence them. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: expatbrit on June 28, 2016, 04:16:22 PM
But at least you guys will be able to kick the darkies out.  I mean, that is what it was all about, right?

Yay.  Politics.  Since you started it.  Maybe they just want to be able to control who comes into their country.  No one can claim that with this mass immigration from certain countries they aren't seeing major issues.  But go ahead and make it what you want.

Don't kid yourself. Politics started with the creation of this thread.

Everybody in the UK admits that immigration has been an economic benefit- it's just that 52% of the voters (mainly the older ones- the younger the voter, the more likely to vote "remain") just don't care that immigrants are beneficial to the economy, they just don't want them.

Sure, there was a heaping side order of resentment that the UK had to follow rules created by EU beareaucrats in Brussels, but it was mainly about immigration.

That is certainly one side's take on this.  My friends in the UK who are my age simply do not like the regulatory burdens and changes that adversely affect them.  They feel they have virtually no voice in the process and want more local control.  You will, of course, smirk and assume it's about immigrants, but there's not much I can do about it.  For the Remain side, it gives them the sense of moral superiority in their loss to try and frame it as such.

Oddly, I have many friends in the UK.

Not a /single/ one is pro-this. They are all gobsmacked at the overall stupidity, and the impact of it. My father was Remain, based on the economics.

Yes The world will survive, so will the economy. So will Britain, in some way or other. I just don't think it'll be as good as it could be
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: expatbrit on June 28, 2016, 04:19:47 PM
I think you have a lot to look forward to then... things aren´t looking good for an easy Brexit.


No. The EU has NO incentive to be lenient here. In fact, they have every incentive in the world to be punitive. It's going to be a painful decade as the UK (or what remains of it) attempts to extract itself from the EU.

Papa, were the Welsh all exit? It's your people's fault! I, at least, am a Londoner.

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 29, 2016, 01:48:21 AM
The Welsh Wales bits of Wales were all remain. The English bits (ie Flint etc) were for leave. However, South Wales, which has benefited from so much EU funding, voted leave. WTF???

London should declare UDI along with Scotland.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 29, 2016, 09:05:08 AM
Reimpose the Danelaw!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on June 29, 2016, 10:03:12 AM
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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: expatbrit on June 29, 2016, 12:43:01 PM
The Welsh Wales bits of Wales were all remain. The English bits (ie Flint etc) were for leave. However, South Wales, which has benefited from so much EU funding, voted leave. WTF???

Cornwall, too. Followed by 'Westminster, please protect our 60M in EU subsidies'.


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London should declare UDI along with Scotland.

Chuck, of the Wheelnerds, coined 'LIZ' as the 'London Isolation Zone'. Now, like Brexit, he claims it has a good name and thus will be Bound To Happen (tm).

The Queen, of course, will have to stay with London. Liz, queen of LIZ and Scotland. She can keep Buck House and Balmoral, obviously, and maybe Windsor can be extraterritorial.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 29, 2016, 12:50:46 PM
Well, Cornwall has its failing fishing industry to protect. Shame they have lost billions of Euros in the process.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 29, 2016, 02:25:39 PM
The business catastrophe seems to have been short lived.  Major indices rebounding.  Now to go about the real work of setting up trade agreements and such (you know, those things independent countries do...)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 29, 2016, 02:59:44 PM
...I mean, just think of it as bringing national policy in house instead of outsourcing it.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on June 29, 2016, 03:01:46 PM
The business catastrophe seems to have been short lived.


You think so?  I don't.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/uk-firms-mull-moves-in-wake-of-poll/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/uk-firms-mull-moves-in-wake-of-poll/)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/06/24/brexit-us-firms-jobs-could-leave-uk/86338782/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/06/24/brexit-us-firms-jobs-could-leave-uk/86338782/)

http://fortune.com/2016/06/29/brexit-move-jobs-employees/ (http://fortune.com/2016/06/29/brexit-move-jobs-employees/)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 29, 2016, 03:06:05 PM
The business catastrophe seems to have been short lived.


You think so?  I don't.

[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/uk-firms-mull-moves-in-wake-of-poll/[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/uk-firms-mull-moves-in-wake-of-poll/[/url])

[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/06/24/brexit-us-firms-jobs-could-leave-uk/86338782/[/url] ([url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/06/24/brexit-us-firms-jobs-could-leave-uk/86338782/[/url])

[url]http://fortune.com/2016/06/29/brexit-move-jobs-employees/[/url] ([url]http://fortune.com/2016/06/29/brexit-move-jobs-employees/[/url])


"mulls", "could", "may"....


Or may not.  Doubt anyone is going to make any changes (positive or negative) until there is an understanding of what the new trade agreements look like.  Think of the worst possible outcome and the best possible outcome and the likely outcome will be somewhere in between.  MSM is currently focused on the worst possible outcome--don't buy the hype.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on June 29, 2016, 03:51:31 PM
MSM

 :headscratch:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 29, 2016, 03:58:23 PM
Main Stream Media.  That would include MSNBC, CNN, FoxNews, NYT, Washington Post etc.  Since they all are chasing eyes and advertising revenues (which are generally related), sensational stories gain more eyes. 

...and when they're sensationalistic predictions prove false, well nobody really goes back to beat them with their own words. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Scratch on June 29, 2016, 04:08:17 PM
Main Stream Media.  That would include MSNBC, CNN, FoxNews, NYT, Washington Post etc.  Since they all are chasing eyes and advertising revenues (which are generally related), sensational stories gain more eyes. 

...and when they're sensationalistic predictions prove false, well nobody really goes back to beat them with their own words.

What are your most trusted & preferred news sources?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 29, 2016, 04:28:06 PM
Main Stream Media.  That would include MSNBC, CNN, FoxNews, NYT, Washington Post etc.  Since they all are chasing eyes and advertising revenues (which are generally related), sensational stories gain more eyes. 

...and when they're sensationalistic predictions prove false, well nobody really goes back to beat them with their own words.

What are your most trusted & preferred news sources?

Ans:  None.

I try to read disinterested sources (as much as possible).  BBC, The Times, Christian Science Monitor for US domestic issues and then balance that off of what is in WaPo, CNN, NYT and FoxNews.  Honestly I haven't found a good source for European related news.  In that case, I try to read multiple sources (WSJ, WaPo, BBC, Guardian, The Times, Christian Science Monitor, CNN) and then try to suss out what is apparently fact and what is slant.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 29, 2016, 05:09:00 PM
Try The Economist (economist.com) for UK financial news.  They are the British version of the WSJ.

The Economist isn't full of rosy financial news at the moment.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 29, 2016, 05:11:58 PM
Try The Economist (economist.com) for UK financial news.  They are the British version of the WSJ.

The Economist isn't full of rosy financial news at the moment.

I'm sure not.  Business does not like uncertainty.  It causes paralysis.  The real question is what will the nature of the new trade agreements be.  Possibly better than they were previously, possibly worse, or more likely, a mix of the two.  Somehow I doubt seriously that Sally Struthers is going to be doing late night commercials to help the poor British anytime soon.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on June 29, 2016, 05:18:09 PM
Somehow I doubt seriously that Sally Struthers is going to be doing late night commercials to help the poor British anytime soon.



Of course not- she hates those blighters.   
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on June 30, 2016, 02:34:16 AM
Main Stream Media.  That would include MSNBC, CNN, FoxNews, NYT, Washington Post etc.

Considering I don´t watch/read any of the above, I would like to say that I have not bought the hype. I get my news from BBC, AJ and Reuters, among a dabbling of other sources.

Sure, uncertainty is not good for businesses, but there is a lot at stake in the coming years. Of course I don´t expect Sally Struthers to come back from oblivion, but that does not mean that it´ll be all parades and hot kettles for the UK.


"May you live in interesting times."
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 30, 2016, 02:40:47 AM
I use the BBC and Al Jazeera as my most trusted sources-nothing American, unless you count the Huffington Post.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on June 30, 2016, 08:35:21 AM
Main Stream Media.  That would include MSNBC, CNN, FoxNews, NYT, Washington Post etc.

Considering I don´t watch/read any of the above, I would like to say that I have not bought the hype. I get my news from BBC, AJ and Reuters, among a dabbling of other sources.

Sure, uncertainty is not good for businesses, but there is a lot at stake in the coming years. Of course I don´t expect Sally Struthers to come back from oblivion, but that does not mean that it´ll be all parades and hot kettles for the UK.


"May you live in interesting times."

As I'm sure you recognize, the program format of even those sources differs in the EU from what they present stateside.

What really has me concerned is whether Brexit will prompt Triumph to return to a right-side shift.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: squeezer on June 30, 2016, 09:33:36 AM
Speaking of Triumph, with the pound's collapse, those should be cheaper next year, assuming we have some sort of trade deal in place with the gobshites.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 30, 2016, 11:09:35 AM
Speaking of Triumph, with the pound's collapse, those should be cheaper next year, assuming we have some sort of trade deal in place with the gobshites.

Hmm...

This could improve the British domestic motorcycle market that's been so ravaged by MotoGuzzi of late...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on June 30, 2016, 06:58:10 PM
Speaking of Triumph, with the pound's collapse, those should be cheaper next year, assuming we have some sort of trade deal in place with the gobshites.

Maybe not.  I read a study a while ago that found vehicle prices are market driven and not sensitive to currency valuations.  Still, we can always hope for a discount.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: jimmy on June 30, 2016, 08:51:25 PM
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/9328/business/effect-exchange-rate-business/ (http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/9328/business/effect-exchange-rate-business/)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on July 01, 2016, 06:07:27 AM
I think Brexit can be justified on this single pivotal issue:


CBR600RR production will cease.  Cannot meet EU noise and emission standards (http://www.sport-touring.org/index.php?topic=4000.0;topicseen)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on July 01, 2016, 09:16:42 AM
I think Brexit can be justified on this single pivotal issue:


CBR600RR production will cease.  Cannot meet EU noise and emission standards ([url]http://www.sport-touring.org/index.php?topic=4000.0;topicseen[/url])



It sounds like an excuse to me. Last year they only sold 150 units in the UK. The margins in that segment have always been near zero, and if volume doesn't exist, then there is no reason besides corporate inertia to continue.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 01, 2016, 09:53:55 AM
No need to panic or believe that the Leave Campaign lied to the public.

Here's their plan for EU Exit: http://thebrexitplan.com/ (http://thebrexitplan.com/)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on July 01, 2016, 10:50:25 AM
No need to panic or believe that the Leave Campaign lied to the public.

Here's their plan for EU Exit: [url]http://thebrexitplan.com/[/url] ([url]http://thebrexitplan.com/[/url])


Brilliant. I hope that they can pull it off.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: squeezer on July 01, 2016, 03:31:10 PM
Out. No pun intended.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: expatbrit on July 01, 2016, 03:58:23 PM
Try The Economist (economist.com) for UK financial news.  They are the British version of the WSJ.

The Economist isn't full of rosy financial news at the moment.

Not remotely. Though they are very definitely pro-EU and pro-Europe, and definitely to the left.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 01, 2016, 04:35:40 PM
Try The Economist (economist.com) for UK financial news.  They are the British version of the WSJ.

The Economist isn't full of rosy financial news at the moment.

Not remotely. Though they are very definitely pro-EU and pro-Europe, and definitely to the left.

I don't get your equation of being in the EU=the left.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: expatbrit on July 01, 2016, 05:03:50 PM
Try The Economist (economist.com) for UK financial news.  They are the British version of the WSJ.

The Economist isn't full of rosy financial news at the moment.

Not remotely. Though they are very definitely pro-EU and pro-Europe, and definitely to the left.

I don't get your equation of being in the EU=the left.

Unconnected statements thrown out at work. Economist is a bit left-leaning, though not to the extreme of the Guardian. hard to categorize EU=Left with Cameron as it's champion. :)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 02, 2016, 01:48:57 AM
The Guardian is scarcely very left wing. More like liberal.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on July 02, 2016, 09:03:02 AM
Left wing=liberal
Right wing=conservative

These are common usages of the terms. Finer gradations may occur to express how left or right something is, but it's still left and right.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 02, 2016, 02:21:55 PM
Left wing=liberal
Right wing=conservative

These are common usages of the terms. Finer gradations may occur to express how left or right something is, but it's still left and right.

Yet early Conservatives described themselves as liberal? I am most confused.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: coho on July 02, 2016, 03:14:41 PM
Mid twentieth century the two terms swapped meaning for some reason. At least here in the colonies.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 02, 2016, 04:05:12 PM
Mid twentieth century the two terms swapped meaning for some reason. At least here in the colonies.

Over here too.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on July 02, 2016, 08:40:21 PM
Left wing=liberal
Right wing=conservative

These are common usages of the terms. Finer gradations may occur to express how left or right something is, but it's still left and right.

Yet early Conservatives described themselves as liberal? I am most confused.

In the classical sense Liberals tend to break from the norm. In the days of ancient Greece, a self-ruling society would have been the odd man out amongst monarchies and such. A government designed to keep power in the hands of the governed would have been a most liberal idea in such an environment.

Conservatives however tended to be for the status quo.

With the advent of a Constitutional Republic the status quo became individual rights and freedoms; a change that made Conservatives (supporting the status quo) the champion and Liberals the ones wanting change.

Look back at the Republican fight against slavery, Jim Crowe, etc.; pretty liberal in those times. More recently (JFK - ask not what your country can do for you) the Democrats would have sounded like modern Republicans.

Left and Right were terms based on where each party sat within the Congress and Senate chambers and got associated in media along the way with L/C ideology in a more fixed way than party malleability.

Mid 20th century we experienced what Ike warned us about in his final speech to the nation; the Military/Industrial/(Lobbyist) Complex and it's corrupting influence over our representatives. Today, few (regardless of party affiliation) mean what they say when pandering to audiences and are all for the status quo within the confines of keeping each person in office and each party in primary or secondary power so they exempt themselves from onerousness laws and taxation while amassing personal wealth and expanding government power over the Governed (because that further cements the power and wealth for themselves and their croneys).
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: expatbrit on July 07, 2016, 08:57:36 AM
The Guardian is scarcely very left wing. More like liberal.

Mmm. I'm not saying it's a bad thing there. :)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on July 12, 2016, 09:52:30 AM
Global economic collapse! :willy: :willy: :willy:

New all time high for the Dow Jones (http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/12/investing/dow-stock-new-high-record/index.html)


Ok, but ALL INVESTMENT IN THE UK WILL END!!!   :willy: :willy: :willy:

Siemens promises to continue its investment in the UK (http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36771595)

Moral:  The media whips up fear and anxiety to boost their ad revenue.  Dial up your cynicism of the press.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: BuckeyeRider on July 12, 2016, 10:32:26 AM
ehh, the British Empire has been ok by itself for quite some time. I'm sure they'll sort this out...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on July 12, 2016, 03:27:42 PM
The media whips up fear and anxiety to boost their ad revenue.  Dial up your cynicism of the press.

This shouldn't come as a surprise.  That being said, there is still a lot of unknowns coming down the road...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on July 12, 2016, 04:12:42 PM
The media whips up fear and anxiety to boost their ad revenue.  Dial up your cynicism of the press.

This shouldn't come as a surprise.  That being said, there is still a lot of unknowns coming down the road...

Yes.  Unknowns that capable people with reasonable positions will have to work out in treaties and contracts.  It's mostly about business.  The human rights stuff will be slightly affected by EU mandates, but we're talking about the UK not Somalia.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on July 12, 2016, 04:51:21 PM
The basic problem is that those reasonable people will be working towards goals at odds with each other. 

It doesn't serve in the interests of the remaining EU members to give the UK any sort of preferential deal- not even a halfway good one. 

It also serves the politicians left standing in the UK no good at all to swallow the deal that's going to be offered to them by the EU, either, and they won't have the ability to set their own terms.

Meanwhile, capital will continue to migrate out of the UK while all this goes on.  It won't happen in an instant, but it will happen.  If the UK is no longer able to "passport" goods, services and financial instruments, there is no compelling reason do think of it as a base for anything but local demand fulfillment.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on July 12, 2016, 05:42:25 PM
The basic problem is that those reasonable people will be working towards goals at odds with each other. 

It doesn't serve in the interests of the remaining EU members to give the UK any sort of preferential deal- not even a halfway good one. 

It also serves the politicians left standing in the UK no good at all to swallow the deal that's going to be offered to them by the EU, either, and they won't have the ability to set their own terms.

Meanwhile, capital will continue to migrate out of the UK while all this goes on.  It won't happen in an instant, but it will happen.  If the UK is no longer able to "passport" goods, services and financial instruments, there is no compelling reason do think of it as a base for anything but local demand fulfillment.

So what is your prediction for the UK 2018? 

Here's mine:  It's economy will be essentially in the same trajectory it was in November 2015.  The GBP will be 1.6X USD and both will be favorable trading with the Euro (USD will be approximately equivalent to the Euro and GBP will be 1.6X the Euro). 

London will remain the hub of financial industry that it is today.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on July 19, 2016, 12:31:22 PM
I guess this means you have no predictions for the UK.  At least it's honest to admit that no one really knows whether this will have an overall positive, overall negative or essentially no effect on the UK economy.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on July 20, 2016, 08:10:33 AM
My prediction is that tourism will pick up, at least in the short term.

I know I am planning a trip while the pound is down. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Barnaby Wilde on August 04, 2016, 12:05:01 PM
I'm a bit late to this thread. I had to make a trip by road (not on the bike, unfortunately) to Lithuania the day after the result was announced. I had gone to bed confident that the Remain camp would win, so I was shocked to hear that the Leavers had won. I wouldn't say they won the argument because they didn't put forward any coherent argument, just a lot of rhetoric and slogans about sovereignty and immigration. A major problem is that the arguments for and against membership are far too complicated for the average person to understand, so they voted out of fear and emotions whipped up by some sections of the press and politicians who thought they could benefit from leaving the EU. I was and still am of the opinion that it would be much better to stay in and use the support of other member states which also have populations who feel that the EU isn't acting in their best interests (e.g. France, the Netherlands, Denmark, Poland) to put pressure on the Commission to change its ways and become less autocratic.

What many don't seem to realise is that without the EU employment regulations, the employers will have a much freer hand to reduce pay and holidays, increase working hours and generally do whatever they want to reduce costs to compete with China.

On my trip through Germany and Poland to Lithuania people seemed genuinely sad about the Leave vote, and I don't think it was just because they want our money, as some had suggested. Our group felt that we had to try to explain to anyone who would listen that the decision wasn't what we wanted. It has been said many times that the referendum isn't binding, but I think the more vocal Leavers would do their best to stir up as much trouble as they could if we stay in. My hope now is that the government can do some sort of deal which ensures that we retain as many of the benefits of membership as possible. Alternatively, the EU as we know it may fall apart and be replaced in due course by a new alliance without the political aspirations of the EU and without the ridiculous level of bureaucracy and waste that I have always disliked.

It was a big mistake to go ahead with the referendum  without the necessity for a convincing majority vote. A 52/48 vote isn't enough to take such a huge step, a 60% or even 65% majority should have been required because it is a much bigger decision than simply changing government.

One thing that nobody seems to be talking about is what might happen if Trump becomes the US president. He is on record as saying that he can't see why America is in NATO and Europe should look after itself. If the EU is in crisis and he pulls America out of NATO, who thinks that Putin (who has spoken admiringly about Trump) could resist the temptation to finish what he started in Ukraine, and even reclaim much of the former USSR territories lost when Communism collapsed? His pretext could be the same as he has used previously, the 'defence of Russian minorities'. Where would he stop?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on August 04, 2016, 01:20:41 PM
All very true.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Head on August 04, 2016, 01:32:38 PM
The media whips up fear and anxiety to boost their ad revenue.  Dial up your cynicism of the press.

This shouldn't come as a surprise.  That being said, there is still a lot of unknowns coming down the road...

Known unknowns or unknown unknowns?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Max Wedge on August 04, 2016, 02:31:37 PM
Thank you for the interesting perspectives Barnaby.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on August 04, 2016, 02:32:43 PM
My father used to say "expect the unexpected". Um, yeah. Ok.  :redface:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on August 04, 2016, 02:36:36 PM
One thing that nobody seems to be talking about is what might happen if Trump becomes the US president. He is on record as saying that he can't see why America is in NATO and Europe should look after itself.

My thoughts are that if Trump get into the Whitehouse that the rest of the world should take a deep breath and hold it for the next four years. Trump pulls out of NATO, tries to build a wall, whatever. Four years later he's out of office and the US can step up and say something like " Um, guys? Can we just reset the server back to the way it was four years ago? We're really sorry about that  :redface: :redface:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 01, 2016, 11:20:57 AM
Pound rebounds and UK manufacturing is on an upswing:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37242804 (http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37242804)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 01, 2016, 11:23:46 AM
...and this is perhaps an indication of the sorts of shenanigans of the EU, which led to Brexit.

Tim Cook says EU's ruling is maddening. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37242357)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 01, 2016, 11:50:49 AM
...and this is perhaps an indication of the sorts of shenanigans of the EU, which led to Brexit.

Tim Cook says EU's ruling is maddening. ([url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37242357[/url])


Thank the Lord someone is taking on the global corporates, who don't pay their taxes. But I suspect the EU's move will be found to be illegal.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 01, 2016, 11:57:16 AM
...and this is perhaps an indication of the sorts of shenanigans of the EU, which led to Brexit.

Tim Cook says EU's ruling is maddening. ([url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37242357[/url])


Thank the Lord someone is taking on the global corporates, who don't pay their taxes. But I suspect the EU's move will be found to be illegal.


Hmm...

Tim Cook says they pay 26.5% taxes worldwide.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 01, 2016, 12:30:39 PM
...and this is perhaps an indication of the sorts of shenanigans of the EU, which led to Brexit.

Tim Cook says EU's ruling is maddening. ([url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37242357[/url])


Thank the Lord someone is taking on the global corporates, who don't pay their taxes. But I suspect the EU's move will be found to be illegal.


Hmm...

Tim Cook says they pay 26.5% taxes worldwide.


So he did. Unbelieving face.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on October 07, 2016, 02:11:29 AM
‘No Major Effect’ From Brexit So Far
THE Office for National Statistics (ONS) says its findings that Brexit has so far had little effect on the UK economy are most likely down to the fact that we haven’t had Brexit yet. “Amazingly, the economy is continuing as if we are still at present a member of the European Union and able to trade tariff-free across the 27 member states,”said an ONS spokesman.

“This is because until Theresa May invokes Article 50, we are still at present a member of the European Union and able to trade tariff-free across member states.
“To put it in more technical terms, the shit hasn’t fan yet, as Theresa May delay turning the fan on long as possible.”
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on October 07, 2016, 03:44:59 AM
Yes, but there appeared to be some relief when she actually chose the timeline for Article 50 (late March). Someone joked that she would do it on April 1st... jokes on you!

Anyway, I'm off to buy some pounds... I hear that the UK might rename their monetary unit as the stone, since it is sinking so fast. Ba-da-DUM! :)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Jim on November 03, 2016, 11:34:39 AM
The debate continues...

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/britains-high-court-blocks-brexit (http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/britains-high-court-blocks-brexit)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on November 03, 2016, 12:43:51 PM
I read that this morning and .... well, I can't even describe my reaction. I guess "WTF?" comes closest to it.  :nuts:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on November 03, 2016, 01:07:22 PM
Hasn't blocked it, the court has said it must go before parliament first.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Vulcanbill on November 03, 2016, 02:55:19 PM
The people voted...

just kidding. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: R Doug on November 03, 2016, 03:37:10 PM
The people voted...

just kidding.

Apparently, this doesn't mean anything.


 :mad:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on November 03, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
The people voted...

just kidding.

Apparently, this doesn't mean anything.


 :mad:

It was a rigged election!!  :willy:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Andrew on November 03, 2016, 06:13:39 PM
Make Britain Great Again!!    :gerg:






 :couch:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: R Doug on November 03, 2016, 06:16:17 PM
Make Britain Great Again!!    :gerg:






 :couch:


:lol: 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: rgbeard on November 03, 2016, 06:21:09 PM
Make Britain Great Again!!    :gerg:


Ban shredded cheese!!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on November 03, 2016, 09:51:17 PM
Make Britain Great Again!!    :gerg:


 :couch:

They need a wall- and MAKE THE ROMANS PAY FOR IT!

Name it for someone famous.  Hadrian?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on November 04, 2016, 12:13:16 AM
Make Britain Great Again!!    :gerg:


 :couch:

They need a wall- and MAKE THE ROMANS PAY FOR IT!

Name it for someone famous.  Hadrian?


Hey, don't knock it.  I mean, look how well it worked.  They built that thing 2,000 years ago and still have almost zero illegal Mexican immigrants...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on November 04, 2016, 03:06:31 AM
True dat.

and this Brexit was ALL about immigration. Eastern European, Middle Eastern and African. Now the leavers want the Eastern Europeans to stay... I wish they'd make their minds up.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Max Wedge on November 04, 2016, 05:56:19 AM
I'm seeing TV ads here for super-low mortgage rates due to the Brexit. How does that work?  :o :headscratch: You guys financing us? :shrug:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: R Doug on November 04, 2016, 08:56:43 AM
I'm seeing TV ads here for super-low mortgage rates due to the Brexit. How does that work?  :o :headscratch: You guys financing us? :shrug:

*part* of the reason market rates are low in several countries has to do with Brexit.  It's not the sole reason, it's only part.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on November 09, 2016, 02:49:03 AM
I only told you to blow the bleeding doors off. Now you lot have gone and done it, much worse than we did.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: sleazy rider on November 09, 2016, 05:04:49 AM
US to U.K: hold my beer......
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on November 09, 2016, 07:34:48 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on November 09, 2016, 08:57:12 AM
US to U.K: hold my beer......

I'm using this.  8)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: R Doug on November 09, 2016, 10:22:07 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on November 09, 2016, 02:17:08 PM
A lurch to right is understandable in such uncertain times. Although immensely stupid.

A resurgent Russia, an aggressive China, Daesh, refugees, immigration, even Brexit-the list is endless.

The common response has always to look for a right wing saviour.

And you know what happens to saviours?

They get crucified.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Jim on November 09, 2016, 02:57:56 PM
More of the same (bwahahaha - foreign policy you speak of) but add in corruption / pay-to-play on top? Not something I'd want - not wanting that entity selecting Supreme Court Justices.

I'll stand in the cautiously optimistic crowd.

(this is about as far as I'll dip my toe across the politics line)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on November 09, 2016, 03:28:57 PM
Meh- we'll come together and figure it out.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on November 09, 2016, 03:56:42 PM
Pssht. You got what you wished for. So did we.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: I'm NOT Carl on November 09, 2016, 05:25:14 PM
Meh- we'll come together and figure it out.

Out
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on November 10, 2016, 05:47:33 PM
Meh- we'll come together and figure it out.
:withstupid:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cookie on November 10, 2016, 05:49:33 PM
Meh- we'll come together and figure it out.
:withstupid:

Correct.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Scratch on November 10, 2016, 06:20:50 PM
Meh- we'll come together and figure it out.

Everybody bring a towel.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 16, 2017, 10:22:01 AM
Hmm..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/16/imf-makes-u-turn-britains-economic-prospects-brexit-fears-prove/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/16/imf-makes-u-turn-britains-economic-prospects-brexit-fears-prove/)


This is a slightly more right wing take on the same information.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Max Wedge on January 16, 2017, 10:28:28 AM
Hmm..

https://www.ft.com/content/f8e84a34-db36-11e6-86ac-f253db7791c6 (https://www.ft.com/content/f8e84a34-db36-11e6-86ac-f253db7791c6)

You selling subscriptions now?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 16, 2017, 10:40:26 AM
Hmm..

https://www.ft.com/content/f8e84a34-db36-11e6-86ac-f253db7791c6 (https://www.ft.com/content/f8e84a34-db36-11e6-86ac-f253db7791c6)

You selling subscriptions now?

Doh!  I'll look for another reference...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on January 16, 2017, 10:59:02 AM
Don't believe a word of it. Just because the EU is looking less rosy without GB, doesn't mean we are out of the shite. And we haven't even left yet.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on February 01, 2017, 02:32:07 PM
http://youtu.be/QSVyyykaEOo (http://youtu.be/QSVyyykaEOo)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on February 17, 2017, 10:12:48 AM
What's happening Papa? - I believe Tony was always opposed - Is Britain having a change of mind? 

I thought the vote was incontrovertible. 

Then this pooped up on my news feed today.  [Ed. note: Freudian slip]

Quote
Blair calls for fight against Brexit

The country is rushing "over the cliff's edge," Tony Blair warned in a rallying cry to opponents of Brexit, urging them to fight Theresa May's plans to take Britain out of the EU. "I agree the will of the people should prevail... But as these terms become clear, it is their right to change their mind," the former prime minister said. "The road we're going down is not simply hard Brexit. It is Brexit at any cost."

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on February 17, 2017, 02:16:06 PM
We're still fecked. As are you. The weird right is in ascendancy.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cookie on February 17, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
We're still fecked. As are you. The weird right is in ascendancy.

Dave?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on February 17, 2017, 02:19:54 PM
We're still fecked. As are you. The weird right is in ascendancy.

Dave?

Yup, definitely my wife now, Dave.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cookie on February 17, 2017, 02:21:01 PM
We're still fecked. As are you. The weird right is in ascendancy.

Dave?

Yup, definitely my wife now, Dave.

twat
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on February 17, 2017, 02:22:43 PM
We're still fecked. As are you. The weird right is in ascendancy.

Dave?

Yup, definitely my wife now, Dave.

twat

I'll tell Donald, you know
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cookie on February 17, 2017, 02:38:41 PM
We're still fecked. As are you. The weird right is in ascendancy.

Dave?

Yup, definitely my wife now, Dave.

twat

I'll tell Donald, you know

Head twat
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on February 17, 2017, 02:40:51 PM
We're still fecked. As are you. The weird right is in ascendancy.

Dave?

Yup, definitely my wife now, Dave.

twat

I'll tell Donald, you know

Head twat

Rust.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on February 17, 2017, 03:14:07 PM
We're still fecked. As are you. The weird right is in ascendancy.

I can see that. 

We're still fecked. As are you. The weird right is in ascendancy.

Dave?

Yup, definitely my wife now, Dave.

twat

I'll tell Donald, you know

Head twat

Rust.

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on March 13, 2017, 10:15:15 AM
And now the end of the Union: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255256 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255256)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on March 13, 2017, 11:28:08 AM
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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Acadian Rider on March 13, 2017, 03:01:34 PM
And now the end of the Union: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255256[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255256[/url])


If at first you don't succeed .....
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on March 13, 2017, 04:58:21 PM
And now the end of the Union: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255256[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255256[/url])


If at first you don't succeed .....


the SNP will win this time round. BTW, Scotland asked to join the Union after it had bankrupted itself funding colonies in the New World....
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: oilhed on March 13, 2017, 06:28:22 PM
SNP?

I did not know Scotland had colonies. Where?

Too bad you couldn't just vote independence back in 1776. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Andrew on March 13, 2017, 09:04:42 PM
SNP?

I did not know Scotland had colonies. Where?

Too bad you couldn't just vote independence back in 1776.

maybe 1812 changed their mind
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on March 13, 2017, 11:39:47 PM
SNP?

I did not know Scotland had colonies. Where?

Too bad you couldn't just vote independence back in 1776.

maybe 1812 changed their mind

At least they made overtures to the effect.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on March 14, 2017, 01:39:32 AM
SNP?

I did not know Scotland had colonies. Where?

Too bad you couldn't just vote independence back in 1776.

google Darien Scheme

As for voting for independence in 1776, weren't the majority of American colonists against independence when the revolution started?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on March 14, 2017, 06:07:27 AM
SNP?

I did not know Scotland had colonies. Where?

Too bad you couldn't just vote independence back in 1776.

google Darien Scheme

As for voting for independence in 1776, weren't the majority of American colonists against independence when the revolution started?

That's not the story we hear, so it can't be true.   :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 14, 2017, 09:52:38 AM
France, The Netherlands...

It's beginning to look like GB is a trend setter.  Hail Britannia!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Max Wedge on March 14, 2017, 01:19:39 PM
SNP?

I did not know Scotland had colonies. Where?

Too bad you couldn't just vote independence back in 1776.

google Darien Scheme

As for voting for independence in 1776, weren't the majority of American colonists against independence when the revolution started?

That's not the story we hear, so it can't be true.   :bigsmile:

Fake News!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: coho on March 14, 2017, 01:28:23 PM
SNP?

I did not know Scotland had colonies. Where?

Too bad you couldn't just vote independence back in 1776.

maybe 1812 changed their mind

How could 1812 change their minds in 1776?

Dammit, Marty! You've doomed us all!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on March 14, 2017, 01:41:11 PM
SNP?

I did not know Scotland had colonies. Where?

Too bad you couldn't just vote independence back in 1776.

google Darien Scheme

As for voting for independence in 1776, weren't the majority of American colonists against independence when the revolution started?

That's not the story we hear, so it can't be true.   :bigsmile:

Fake News!

an American source, so it must be true.

https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/what-was-colonial-unity-like-during-american-246261 (https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/what-was-colonial-unity-like-during-american-246261)
Although we think of the Revolutionary War as something that all Americans were behind, it really was not that way.  Only a minority of Americans were actually strong supporters of the American side in the Revolution.
This is not to say that most Americans opposed the Revolution and wanted to stay with Britain.  In fact, only about one-third of all Americans are believed to have been "Tories" or "Loyalists."  These are names for Americans who stayed on the British side.
Instead, historians believe that about one-third of Americans were strongly in favor of revolution, one-third were Tories, and another third were relatively neutral, just wanting to get by as well as they could.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 14, 2017, 01:45:27 PM
SNP?

I did not know Scotland had colonies. Where?

Too bad you couldn't just vote independence back in 1776.

google Darien Scheme

As for voting for independence in 1776, weren't the majority of American colonists against independence when the revolution started?

That's not the story we hear, so it can't be true.   :bigsmile:

Fake News!

an American source, so it must be true.

https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/what-was-colonial-unity-like-during-american-246261 (https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/what-was-colonial-unity-like-during-american-246261)
Although we think of the Revolutionary War as something that all Americans were behind, it really was not that way.  Only a minority of Americans were actually strong supporters of the American side in the Revolution.
This is not to say that most Americans opposed the Revolution and wanted to stay with Britain.  In fact, only about one-third of all Americans are believed to have been "Tories" or "Loyalists."  These are names for Americans who stayed on the British side.
Instead, historians believe that about one-third of Americans were strongly in favor of revolution, one-third were Tories, and another third were relatively neutral, just wanting to get by as well as they could.


Pro'lly a lot like the Brexit vote.  The Revolutionary War worked out ok for us.  Maybe y'all will survive too.  :)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cablebandit on March 14, 2017, 01:47:43 PM


Pro'lly a lot like the Brexit vote.  The Revolutionary War worked out ok for us.  Maybe y'all will survive too.  :)


Well yeah, they needed to get out so when we invade "Yurup" they can still be an ally
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cablebandit on March 14, 2017, 01:48:42 PM
SNP?

I did not know Scotland had colonies. Where?

Too bad you couldn't just vote independence back in 1776.

google Darien Scheme

As for voting for independence in 1776, weren't the majority of American colonists against independence when the revolution started?

That's not the story we hear, so it can't be true.   :bigsmile:


He who wins gets to write the history books.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Andrew on March 14, 2017, 10:36:23 PM
SNP?

I did not know Scotland had colonies. Where?

Too bad you couldn't just vote independence back in 1776.

google Darien Scheme

As for voting for independence in 1776, weren't the majority of American colonists against independence when the revolution started?

Well, that is what they told me in school. I believe it had something to do with the wealthy not  wanting to pay taxes to the crown, and they forced the hand of the poor.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on March 15, 2017, 03:10:37 AM
SNP?

I did not know Scotland had colonies. Where?

Too bad you couldn't just vote independence back in 1776.

google Darien Scheme

As for voting for independence in 1776, weren't the majority of American colonists against independence when the revolution started?

Well, that is what they told me in school. I believe it had something to do with the wealthy not  wanting to pay taxes to the crown, and they forced the hand of the poor.

And rubbish and oppressive British policy. You would have been revolting at some stage anyway.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Flyer on March 15, 2017, 05:34:11 AM
World politics is still pretty revolting.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on March 15, 2017, 05:50:24 AM
I don't know the economics behind it, but I am really rooting for an independent Scotland

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on March 15, 2017, 06:52:27 AM
Westminster held a referendum on leaving the EU. Which resulted in a vote to leave. Scotland voted to stay in the EU and was persuaded to vote remain in the UK by a promise that we would remain in the EU.

Like the rest of us, they were lied to.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 15, 2017, 09:47:04 AM
Westminster held a referendum on leaving the EU. Which resulted in a vote to leave. Scotland voted to stay in the EU and was persuaded to vote remain in the UK by a promise that we would remain in the EU.

Like the rest of us, they were lied to.
I think Wales should go it alone.  Screw Alfred the Great.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: PatM on March 15, 2017, 11:27:36 AM
Westminster held a referendum on leaving the EU. Which resulted in a vote to leave. Scotland voted to stay in the EU and was persuaded to vote remain in the UK by a promise that we would remain in the EU.

Like the rest of us, they were lied to.
I think Wales should go it alone.  Screw Alfred the Great.

That or join Scotland
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 15, 2017, 12:02:19 PM
Westminster held a referendum on leaving the EU. Which resulted in a vote to leave. Scotland voted to stay in the EU and was persuaded to vote remain in the UK by a promise that we would remain in the EU.

Like the rest of us, they were lied to.
I think Wales should go it alone.  Screw Alfred the Great.

That or join Scotland

Free Northumbria!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: oilhed on March 15, 2017, 03:16:10 PM
Can we have Ulster back, please?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: coho on March 15, 2017, 04:02:45 PM
Can we have Ulster back, please?

I'll had an ulster once. I don't want it back.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on March 16, 2017, 03:32:00 AM
Can we have Ulster back, please?

of course.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on March 22, 2017, 05:30:11 AM
Someone has honestly altered the Wiki page.
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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 22, 2017, 08:50:29 AM
Made me look.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on March 22, 2017, 09:46:57 AM
I hate it when people mess with wiki pages...

But at least most of what they inserted is accurate  :P
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on March 22, 2017, 03:15:36 PM
You mean like when I edited the page about whales that made it so that, according to Steven Colbert's truthiness, they were brought back from the edge of extinction?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on March 29, 2017, 09:43:42 AM
Sounds like there's rebellion brewing across The Pond. 

Or would it be more appropriate to say a mash of discent is being distilled by men wearing skirts. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on March 29, 2017, 11:23:54 AM
The headlines over here are exciting!

Scotland talking (seriously) again on leaving the UK in order to stay / rejoin the EU, Northern Ireland talking about rejoining with the Republic of Ireland so that they can remain in the EU... and then the actual task of the UK leaving the EU. May you live in interesting times, indeed.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 29, 2017, 11:44:18 AM
Scotland:  Yes, because economically small countries have faired so well with the EU (ask Ireland, Portugal, Greece, etc how great the EU has been for them).  One phrase:  Germany (and to a lesser extent France) imposed austerity.

As for the UK:  There will be a strong impulse for the EU to be as punitive as possible, if for no other reason than to stop a steady stream of countries from leaving.  Switzerland has seemed to do just fine outside of the EU.  Norway and Finland too.  I suspect they'll be ok. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on December 23, 2017, 04:01:28 AM
Well, us lucky enough to live in the third stupidest country in the world (after North Korea and the USA) will be getting our old passports back. Thank the Lord for Brexit.

Announcing the change back to a blue passport Theresa May wrote on Twitter yesterday: “The UK passport is an expression of our independence and sovereignty – symbolising our citizenship of a proud, great nation. That's why we have announced that the iconic blue passport will return after we leave the European Union in 2019.”

Except, they used to be so dark blue, they were black; the new passport will be navy blue. And they'll be EU size; the old ones were bigger. And it'll mean we will not be able to use the fast lane going through immigration into other countries. And most people in the UK never had an old style passport, so it'll be new to them. And it'll cost half a billion pounds to implement. And, best of all, they'll be made in Germany.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on December 23, 2017, 07:08:19 AM
I do say, Brexit seems to be one of the bigger fuck ups of the current era.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Andrew on December 23, 2017, 12:15:33 PM
No doubt about that one of the stupidest moves of modern time. Considering  Britex only passed with a 2% majority, seems like a very slim margin to decide such an important step. That is politics, Heck over here we got 45 and he did not even have a majority vote of the people and look how that is going
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cablebandit on December 23, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
I guess if you're a one world government kind of guy... :tinfoil:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Andrew on December 23, 2017, 02:07:56 PM
http://youtu.be/xRNvezElbIg (http://youtu.be/xRNvezElbIg)

Commie stars and pinstripe bosses throw the dice
guess who gets to pay the price
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on December 23, 2017, 02:08:14 PM
I want to know what the mods on this forum are doing about it.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on December 23, 2017, 02:32:37 PM
Spooky, eh?

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: squeezer on December 23, 2017, 02:33:52 PM
I want to know what the mods on this forum are doing about it.

Getting EU passports.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on December 23, 2017, 03:03:54 PM
I want to know what the mods on this forum are doing about it.

What we're doing about Brexit??? Personally, I am rolling my eyes AND cringing.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on December 23, 2017, 03:07:05 PM
Spooky, eh?

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Blue is such a great color!

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on December 23, 2017, 03:10:47 PM
I want to know what the mods on this forum are doing about it.

Getting EU passports.

Mine will be non-EU  :smoking:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: kneescrubber on December 23, 2017, 03:23:29 PM
I want to know what the mods on this forum are doing about it.

Getting EU passports.

Mine will be non-EU  :smoking:

So your's will be the pretty blue as well?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: PatM on December 23, 2017, 06:17:41 PM
What's wrong with having a navy blue passport?  :headscratch:  :lol:

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: rgbeard on December 23, 2017, 07:32:43 PM
What's wrong with having a navy blue passport?  :headscratch:  :lol:

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As if anyone is like really "from Canada". 

It's just a sham operated by the USA to make us think the land to our North is actually inhabited with people.

We all know it's seasonal people paid to pretend as if they live there.  They move around just like people that tend shops in the cruise port destination cities.

Although I'm pretty sure the polar bears are legit.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: kneescrubber on December 23, 2017, 08:13:39 PM
What's wrong with having a navy blue passport?  :headscratch:  :lol:

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As if anyone is like really "from Canada". 

It's just a sham operated by the USA to make us think the land to our North is actually inhabited with people.

We all know it's seasonal people paid to pretend as if they live there.  They move around just like people that tend shops in the cruise port destination cities.

Although I'm pretty sure the polar bears are legit.

 :rolf:

OUT!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on December 23, 2017, 09:23:18 PM
I want to know what the mods on this forum are doing about it.

This one is just have a beverage (Monkey SHoulder) whilst watching hand-wringing while still waiting for anything to actually coolapse.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: kneescrubber on December 23, 2017, 09:26:35 PM
I want to know what the mods on this forum are doing about it.

This one is just have a beverage (Monkey SHoulder) whilst watching hand-wringing while still waiting for anything to actually coolapse.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: coho on December 23, 2017, 09:54:47 PM
I intend to coolapse really hard on Monday. :smoking:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on December 24, 2017, 02:02:34 AM
I want to know what the mods on this forum are doing about it.


Getting EU passports.


Mine will be non-EU  :smoking:


So your's will be the pretty blue as well?


Nope, just a simple, bold red one.

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Of course, it will still take some time to acquire, but I have completed the first two steps  :smiley_thumb:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cablebandit on December 24, 2017, 08:18:29 AM


This one is just have a beverage (Monkey SHoulder)

 :crazy:


Oof....memories of Marietta
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on December 25, 2017, 11:20:23 AM
Brexit had its pluses.  Brought the cost of our trip to the UK down about 15% over what it would have cost a year before. 

According to what I was reading this morning - all Santa left me was coal; can't imagine why - it looks like things are recovering. Still a huge loss & long way to go.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on April 20, 2018, 01:45:58 PM
our Prime minister thought that we had voted for racist expulsion of immigrants. I'm pleased to say she was wrong.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/windrush-scandal-theresa-may-says-people-affected-by-immigration-crackdown-will-receive- (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/windrush-scandal-theresa-may-says-people-affected-by-immigration-crackdown-will-receive-)‘compensation’/ar-AAw7mf3?item=personalization_enabled:false&ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on April 21, 2018, 11:53:43 AM
Over the past 5 years who have been the primary actors in the mass killing attacks using bombs, vehicles, and knives?

I've seen the numbers of these attacks that match (or best) those in the US for frequency, numbers killed, and numbers injured. I'm curious about the bad actors.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on April 21, 2018, 12:58:30 PM
The mass killings-Islamic extremists who can't read a Q'uran.

Killings in general over here-a worrying rise in knife crime amongst (mainly) black young people.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on April 21, 2018, 04:25:32 PM
Yeah, was just talking to my wife about it this morning; we still feel safer in London, Paris, Stockholm or Berlin than NYC or Florida, Arizona, etc.  Maybe we're stupid.  Maybe not.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on April 21, 2018, 04:48:30 PM
You are still safer in those cities-unless you belong to the underclass.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Andrew on April 21, 2018, 06:31:35 PM
You are still safer in those cities-unless you belong to the underclass.

True it is always safer being well to do, and conversely never safe to be poor.

Also a person stands a lower chance of being killed by gun violence in places with strict gun laws that are enforced.   
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on April 22, 2018, 07:25:51 PM
You are still safer in those cities-unless you belong to the underclass.

True it is always safer being well to do, and conversely never safe to be poor.

Also a person stands a lower chance of being killed by gun violence in places with strict gun laws that are enforced.
Like Baltimore
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on April 22, 2018, 07:55:08 PM
You are still safer in those cities-unless you belong to the underclass.

True it is always safer being well to do, and conversely never safe to be poor.

Also a person stands a lower chance of being killed by gun violence in places with strict gun laws that are enforced.
Like Baltimore
or Chicago.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on April 22, 2018, 08:05:24 PM
You are still safer in those cities-unless you belong to the underclass.

True it is always safer being well to do, and conversely never safe to be poor.

Also a person stands a lower chance of being killed by gun violence in places with strict gun laws that are enforced.
Like Baltimore
or Chicago.

Actually, I was just reading that London currently has a higher murder rate than NYC.

Most murders are stabbings that occur in lower class neighborhoods where drill rap is popular.

What this has to do with Brexit  :deadhorse:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on April 22, 2018, 08:12:16 PM
Truth.  I fell into the rabbit hole getting into politics which tends to be a cancer.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on April 22, 2018, 08:59:21 PM
Imagine that in a tread about Brexit.   I'm guilt as charged.

Doesn't change the fact that Triumphs are still Brit bikes.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: coho on April 22, 2018, 09:31:28 PM
I thought Triumphs were Thai.

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on April 23, 2018, 01:53:21 AM
Truth.  I fell into the rabbit hole getting into politics which tends to be a cancer.  Sorry.

Don't see how you fell down the rabbit hole, your post didn't seem political to me. Anyway, this whole thread is political. But it's foreign politics, so doesn't count. And it allows me to rant a bit.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: oilhed on April 23, 2018, 06:38:18 AM
The whammy of Brexit is the No. Ireland - Ireland border. The peace in No. Ireland requires no hard border which was doable when everyone was in the EU. But when the UK leaves they are gonna wanna control that border. Only solution - give No. Ireland back to Ireland!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on April 23, 2018, 07:01:26 AM
The whammy of Brexit is the No. Ireland - Ireland border. The peace in No. Ireland requires no hard border which was doable when everyone was in the EU. But when the UK leaves they are gonna wanna control that border. Only solution - give No. Ireland back to Ireland!

Agree
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on April 23, 2018, 10:54:21 AM
You are still safer in those cities-unless you belong to the underclass.

True it is always safer being well to do, and conversely never safe to be poor.

Also a person stands a lower chance of being killed by gun violence in places with strict gun laws that are enforced.
Like Baltimore
or Chicago.

Actually, I was just reading that London currently has a higher murder rate than NYC.

Most murders are stabbings that occur in lower class neighborhoods where drill rap is popular.

What this has to do with Brexit  :deadhorse:

I posted up some graphs and even a list of 2017 mass murders in UK that shows a higher frequency with greater numbers of deaths and injuries. They used bombs and vehicles and knives. There's even a movement to ban knives in the UK.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on April 23, 2018, 04:51:42 PM
Still felt safer walking around London than driving through DC.

As long as you remember to look right!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: PatM on April 23, 2018, 05:37:03 PM

As long as you remember to look right!

And mind the gap.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on April 23, 2018, 07:07:30 PM

As long as you remember to look right!

And mind the gap.


And don't wear a T shirt that says "Keep Calm and Carry On" or you WILL get stabbed.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 07, 2018, 03:41:27 PM
Excellent. I've just been called a wanker on the interweebs. I only suggested that Brexiteers were traitors and should be hanged.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on July 08, 2018, 01:47:06 AM
Excellent. I've just been called a wanker on the interweebs.
Well, you probably are...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 08, 2018, 02:49:52 AM
Excellent. I've just been called a wanker on the interweebs.
Well, you probably are...

yes, but that's not really the point....
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on July 09, 2018, 12:59:51 PM
I think it's a good idea myself. Why should Britain kow-tow to the likes of Angela Merkel and a pack of pompous dunderheads in Brussels? let them screw their own countries up bailing out Spain, Greece and Italy. The rise in fascism in Europe is a direct result of foreign governments dictating immigration and currency policy.

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on July 09, 2018, 01:22:05 PM
Good thing because their cars all have the steering wheel on the opposite side.  Just screws up the parking situation and there aren’t enough spaces tp go around as ir is.  Makes it harder to get a table at a good restaurant too.   Put a fence around it and keep them otta here. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on July 09, 2018, 01:45:30 PM
Well, the shit really hit the fan today, didn't it?  :o
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cookie on July 09, 2018, 02:33:58 PM
Well, the shit really hit the fan today, didn't it?  :o

Guess I'm glad I don't pay any attention to the news
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 09, 2018, 11:33:28 PM
Well, the shit really hit the fan today, didn't it?  :o

As always, the Brexiteers leave the actual work of leaving the EU to the remainers.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on July 10, 2018, 10:02:00 AM
Well, the shit really hit the fan today, didn't it?  :o

As always, the Brexiteers leave the actual work of leaving the EU to the remainers.

Serves them right.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 10, 2018, 03:57:18 PM
Well, the shit really hit the fan today, didn't it?  :o

As always, the Brexiteers leave the actual work of leaving the EU to the remainers.

Serves them right.

Serves who right? I don't take you for an anti intellectual.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on July 11, 2018, 10:08:46 AM
The remainers were the ones in power, other than Boris. Theresa May is (in my understanding) attempting to mitigate the spirit of Brexit by keeping as many ties to the EU as possible. Again, in my understanding, the point was to disentangle Britain from the EU as far as currency, immigration and unfavourable trade agreements.

My "serves them right" comment was along the lines of hoisting them on their own petard for delaying implementation of the will of the majority.

Now please bear in mind that my view is from the perspective of a long gone expat, who's views of England and Wales are solidly through rose coloured glasses and that I have no intimate knowledge of the whole affair, other than talking with rellies, most of whom are remainers. I get my news through the Beeb and Reuters and of course may be totally off base..
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 27, 2018, 02:35:20 PM
The Government has assured us that food supplies after Brexit will be "adequate". Their word. We're fucked.

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on July 28, 2018, 02:50:28 AM
I also read that they want to stock up on (medical) drugs, as they are not sure of the supply line post-deal.  :crazy:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 31, 2018, 02:14:05 PM
Jeremy Hunt. A minister of the Crown:

“If it became a low-tax, low-regulation, offshoot fully outside the EU, it would find a way to thrive in those circumstances. But for European businesses the impact would be profound.”

We're fucked.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on August 10, 2018, 05:38:58 AM
"Pooh?" said Piglet.
"Yes, Piglet?" replied Pooh.
"Is everything going to be OK?"
"In what way, Piglet?" asked Pooh.
Piglet rubbed his nose in a nervous sort of way. "You know, with Brexit. And rationing. And 729 international treaties to re-negotiate from scratch just to get back to here. And," the Piglet ran out of breath then made a small choking noise and swallowed. "And all that?" he finished and looked over at Pooh with a hopeful look.
Pooh Bear rubbed his nose too, but didn't find it quite as comforting as it seemed to be for the Piglet.
"Well, Piglet." Pooh said and then stopped to think some more, for this was a very Big Thing for a Bear of Very Little Brain to consider. "Well Piglet," he finally continued, "It all sounds like a very silly idea to me."
Pooh and Piglet looked out over the Hundred Acre Wood and contemplated the matter. Quietly, Piglet slipped his paw into Pooh's.
"We're totally fucked, aren't we?" the Piglet managed in a hoarse whisper.
"Oh yes." replied Pooh, patting his paw. "Completely fucked."
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on August 10, 2018, 07:38:04 AM
Pound sterling has fallen to 1.28 USD (again).  Might be time to start planning a trip to visit your lovely country.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on August 10, 2018, 07:47:19 AM
Pound sterling has fallen to 1.28 USD (again).  Might be time to start planning a trip to visit your lovely country.

we're shut.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on August 10, 2018, 08:59:57 AM
Pound sterling has fallen to 1.28 USD (again).  Might be time to start planning a trip to visit your lovely country.

we're shut.

Come back Monday
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on August 10, 2018, 11:22:28 AM
Pound sterling has fallen to 1.28 USD (again).  Might be time to start planning a trip to visit your lovely country.

we're shut.

May you should build a wall.  Wait, Hadrian already did that, and now it's an attraction!  You see how that all worked out.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on August 10, 2018, 02:55:52 PM
Pound sterling has fallen to 1.28 USD (again).  Might be time to start planning a trip to visit your lovely country.

we're shut.

May you should build a wall.  Wait, Hadrian already did that, and now it's an attraction!  You see how that all worked out.

Hadrian built it on the wrong border. The new one would have to be built across the entrance to the Chunnel, you know, to keep all that Eurotrash out.....
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on August 10, 2018, 03:39:26 PM
Pound sterling has fallen to 1.28 USD (again).  Might be time to start planning a trip to visit your lovely country.

we're shut.

May you should build a wall.  Wait, Hadrian already did that, and now it's an attraction!  You see how that all worked out.

Hadrian built it on the wrong border. The new one would have to be built across the entrance to the Chunnel, you know, to keep all that Eurotrash out.....

Offa's Dyke, Hadrian's Wall, Antonine Wall, looked like they all stood the test of time..and that's just three in a tiny little island-think how everlasting a wall would be elsewhere-China could build one to keep the Mongols out..oh  wait...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on December 14, 2018, 01:05:48 PM
https://binged.it/2Emo6kj
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Flyer on December 14, 2018, 02:12:39 PM
Boris.
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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on December 14, 2018, 03:48:37 PM
Pound sterling has fallen to 1.28 USD (again).  Might be time to start planning a trip to visit your lovely country.

we're shut.

May you should build a wall.  Wait, Hadrian already did that, and now it's an attraction!  You see how that all worked out.

Hadrian built it on the wrong border. The new one would have to be built across the entrance to the Chunnel, you know, to keep all that Eurotrash out.....

Offa's Dyke, Hadrian's Wall, Antonine Wall, looked like they all stood the test of time..and that's just three in a tiny little island-think how everlasting a wall would be elsewhere-China could build one to keep the Mongols out..oh  wait...
Oh no ... sounds like the EU is getting ready to build a [tariff] wall that you're going to pay for.

“How will Christmas dinner be different after Brexit? No Brussels”
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on December 14, 2018, 05:08:30 PM
Boris.
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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on January 14, 2019, 07:31:08 PM
In case you are trying to follow along, this chart may help you understand tomorrow's vote, although it doesn't explain the Irish sidestop, I mean backswipe, errrr, I mean forestep, well you know that tissue, I mean issue.

I saw this chart today and it just made my head spin.   Papa,you have our sympathy.   Go for a ride.

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on January 15, 2019, 02:20:28 AM
I don't think the chart captures everything....
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on January 15, 2019, 08:09:58 AM
I'm offended by this graphic. It clearly ignores the needs of the chromatically challenged.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: kneescrubber on January 15, 2019, 06:39:20 PM
I'm offended by this graphic. It clearly ignores the needs of the chromatically challenged.

It works better when you wear your 3D glasses.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on January 16, 2019, 06:13:41 PM
https://youtu.be/Nh11RYjheUY


Pat nails it once again.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on January 19, 2019, 08:04:43 PM
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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on March 29, 2019, 01:56:58 AM
Goodbye Europe!














oh, wait....
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: st2sam on March 29, 2019, 08:42:50 AM
https://youtu.be/Nh11RYjheUY
Pat nails it once again.

+ 1   :clap:

He sure does get his point across.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chornbe on March 29, 2019, 08:50:22 AM
So is Brexit considered a good thing these days or not? Because if what Germany and France are doing to the Internet is any indication, I'd go running and screaming away from the EU, too. Stupidity abounds.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on March 29, 2019, 10:36:33 AM
Well, it appears the UK is still divided, although Remain probably has the edge over Leave now. 

However, and whatever, our fuckwit gubbernment ploughs on regardless, mishandling everything they can. Trouble is, the Brexiteers want the Remainers to come up with the plan, coz they can't. It is a complete and utter shitstorm.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on March 29, 2019, 10:49:27 AM
Brexit Day checklist:

Free trade area massively larger than the EU Nope
Easiest deal in history Nope
40 trade deals Nope Apart from the Faroe Islands, of course
Taking back control Nope
Strong global Britain Nope
Sunlit uplands Nope
International laughing stock Yup
Unparalleled national catastrofuck Yup
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 29, 2019, 10:56:45 AM
So is Brexit considered a good thing these days or not? Because if what Germany and France are doing to the Internet is any indication, I'd go running and screaming away from the EU, too. Stupidity abounds.

Yes, this.  The EU is basically a FrancoGerman institution and policy is ALWAYS beneficial/in the interests of one or both of those nations.  There are some who believe the major cause of the Greek financial meltdown (and Spain, Italy and Ireland's recent downturn) were EU monetary policy that greatly helped German and French industry and trade, but forced smaller more fragile economies to have to rely on borrowing and debt. 

That EU ministers cannot be removed by voter demands doesn't help matters.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cablebandit on March 29, 2019, 01:33:57 PM
Those rascally Germans are determined to rule Europe one way or another.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chornbe on March 29, 2019, 01:47:47 PM
Well, it appears the UK is still divided, although Remain probably has the edge over Leave now. 

However, and whatever, our fuckwit gubbernment ploughs on regardless, mishandling everything they can. Trouble is, the Brexiteers want the Remainers to come up with the plan, coz they can't. It is a complete and utter shitstorm.

Oh, so healthcare in the USA. Now I understand.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on March 30, 2019, 03:47:32 AM
So is Brexit considered a good thing these days or not? Because if what Germany and France are doing to the Internet is any indication, I'd go running and screaming away from the EU, too. Stupidity abounds.

Yes, this.  The EU is basically a FrancoGerman institution and policy is ALWAYS beneficial/in the interests of one or both of those nations.  There are some who believe the major cause of the Greek financial meltdown (and Spain, Italy and Ireland's recent downturn) were EU monetary policy that greatly helped German and French industry and trade, but forced smaller more fragile economies to have to rely on borrowing and debt. 

That EU ministers cannot be removed by voter demands doesn't help matters.

Greece lied about its finances to gain membership.

The EU is not simply a Franco-German love in-a lil more complex than that.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 30, 2019, 12:16:04 PM
So is Brexit considered a good thing these days or not? Because if what Germany and France are doing to the Internet is any indication, I'd go running and screaming away from the EU, too. Stupidity abounds.

Yes, this.  The EU is basically a FrancoGerman institution and policy is ALWAYS beneficial/in the interests of one or both of those nations.  There are some who believe the major cause of the Greek financial meltdown (and Spain, Italy and Ireland's recent downturn) were EU monetary policy that greatly helped German and French industry and trade, but forced smaller more fragile economies to have to rely on borrowing and debt. 

That EU ministers cannot be removed by voter demands doesn't help matters.

Greece lied about its finances to gain membership.

The EU is not simply a Franco-German love in-a lil more complex than that.
Of course it's more complex.  Greece wanted to join, and the major EU economies wanted them to join--with certain stipulations.   For a moment, let's consider Germany and France as predatory lenders.  They get a smaller economy to adopt the Euro, at a favorable rate to begin with.  Over time, the smaller economy nation says to the predatory lender, "The euro is too strong, it is making our national fixed costs (health and retirement benefits) too expensive for us.  It would be great if you'd set monetary policy so that the euro floats down, making our benefits less expensive."

To which the predatory lender says, "Don't worry, we'll lend you MORE euros to cover your costs.  You can just pay us back when your economy picks up."  Repeat this cycle until the smaller economy is overwhelmed with debt.  Not unlike what has happened to families in the student debt crisis.

When Greece got to the tipping point, the predatory lender had a solution: Austerity.  Suck it up.  You owe the money, you figure it out (or we'll break your knees). 

There have been several articles laying out how and why the large manufacturing economies kept the euro strong and protective of their economies while small tourism driven economies suffered.

So please, the EU isn't there for the little guy.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chornbe on March 30, 2019, 12:16:59 PM
Well, the EU collectively just ratified Articles 17 (previously 13, nice sleazy move there) and 11, so everyone with any care about free flow of information and knowledge should run, and run hard, from the EU.

$.02
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on April 03, 2019, 09:38:14 AM
Any country that loses control of it's currency loses control of it's economy. The Euro is a giant Franco-Prussian dick up the ass of every country that adopted it. Thank God Brittan at least kept the pound as currency, the next step is to flood the Chunnel, tell Europe and it's hoards of useless shitbag migrants to fuck off back where they came from and regain control of their country.

Our forefathers didn't fight countless wars to keep England free for this bullshit.   
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: st2sam on April 03, 2019, 05:50:05 PM
Any country that loses control of it's currency loses control of it's economy. The Euro is a giant Franco-Prussian dick up the ass of every country that adopted it. Thank God Brittan at least kept the pound as currency, the next step is to flood the Chunnel, tell Europe and it's hoards of useless shitbag migrants to fuck off back where they came from and regain control of their country.

Our forefathers didn't fight countless wars to keep England free for this bullshit.

Jeeze stevent, quite beat'in around the bush, say what ya mean.  :bigsmile:

I agree 100%. The people of Brittan keep voting (twice?) against but they won't accept it - change...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: kneescrubber on April 03, 2019, 07:15:10 PM
Any country that loses control of it's currency loses control of it's economy. The Euro is a giant Franco-Prussian dick up the ass of every country that adopted it. Thank God Brittan at least kept the pound as currency, the next step is to flood the Chunnel, tell Europe and it's hoards of useless shitbag migrants to fuck off back where they came from and regain control of their country.

Our forefathers didn't fight countless wars to keep England free for this bullshit.

Another rare occasion that I agree with you.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on April 04, 2019, 07:59:22 AM
Interesting how Brexit can be viewed from so many different perspectives.  To me, it's Always been about the disadvantages of a large federalized beauracracy versus the economic trade benefits that accrue from it. Regardless, it's sure been interesting.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chornbe on April 04, 2019, 08:03:37 AM
Personal liberties in certain realms are being crushed under the boot heel of the EU.

Interesting to watch from over here.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on April 04, 2019, 11:32:11 AM
I think modern day Germany has finally learned that Von Clausewitz's maxim on war being the continuation of diplomacy by other means, also works in the inverse. They still want control of Europe, only now after 2 failed military attempts they are gaining economic hegemony through currency control and petit bourgeois bureaucrats and ministers in Brussels.

Disgusting to watch, we should have let the Soviets keep them.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on April 04, 2019, 12:03:27 PM
I think modern day Germany has finally learned that Von Clausewitz's maxim on war being the continuation of diplomacy by other means, also works in the inverse. They still want control of Europe, only now after 2 failed military attempts they are gaining economic hegemony through currency control and petit bourgeois bureaucrats and ministers in Brussels.

Disgusting to watch, we should have let the Soviets keep them.
I sort of disagree.  I think Germany is playing an aggressive defensive game against the Chinese juggernaut.  They are, however, using smaller, weaker nations as canon fodder.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on April 04, 2019, 12:41:55 PM
Personal liberties in certain realms are being crushed under the boot heel of the EU.

Interesting to watch from over here.

I haven't observed any evidence of that in the 2 or 3 months I spend in the EU each year.  A lot of people seem appreciable of the protections afforded to local products.  Everyone I speak to seems genuinely appreciative of the privacy protectionsvas opposed to what they experience when they visit USA.  I get an entirely different feeling but it may just be the people I am interacting with.  There is a huge concern about the impact of Chinese economy. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chornbe on April 04, 2019, 02:26:01 PM
Oh, China is getting desperate; they're going to push for expansion in our lifetimes. They fucked their population balance, and people are so dependent world-wide on "cheap chinese made products" that China has far more of an economic divide than the USA has; we still have a middle class, gasping and treading water as it is. China...? Not so much. Between the government control of EVERYTHING, their dying middle class, their way-off-the-typical M/F population, and the sexual orientation that comes with such disparities, their birthrates are down, their earnings are down, and the gap between super-rich and eating-maggots poor is getting wider and wider and wider with nothing filling in the space. Their government won't loosen controls, and won't fix the problem, and instead will spread out, looking for external solutions to absorb, external resources to plunder, and external financing to bolster their own troubled economy.

Then they'll call due all the debt that they own in the USA, and then we are truly and rightfully fucked.

Anything further I say on the topic will range into the political spectrum, and I don't want the ban hammer aimed at me.

So, cheer up bitches, we're all gonna be speaking Chinese and eating a shit tonne of moo shu pork in our lifetimes. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Flyer on April 04, 2019, 06:35:21 PM
Lesson 1:
https://youtu.be/7DqvweTYTI0 (https://youtu.be/7DqvweTYTI0)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: kneescrubber on April 04, 2019, 09:42:25 PM

Then they'll call due all the debt that they own in the USA, and then we are truly and rightfully fucked.


In general I agree with this thought. But then I remember the early 80's when the Japanese were high on the hog and buying everything American. Predicting world economics is as stupid as standing on the side of the road while fixing your flat tire.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on April 05, 2019, 02:22:21 AM
Personal liberties in certain realms are being crushed under the boot heel of the EU.

Interesting to watch from over here.

I haven't observed any evidence of that in the 2 or 3 months I spend in the EU each year.  A lot of people seem appreciable of the protections afforded to local products.  Everyone I speak to seems genuinely appreciative of the privacy protectionsvas opposed to what they experience when they visit USA.  I get an entirely different feeling but it may just be the people I am interacting with.  There is a huge concern about the impact of Chinese economy.

In the main, the EU is popular in Europe. It upholds liberties, helps out poorer members, etc. We haven't had a war inside the EU since WW2. For Europe, that's pretty good going (and before someone mentions the Balkans/ former Yugoslavia- they weren't in the EU). I don't see Germany as this aggressive nation-it took in 3 million Syrian refugees FFS. Many in the UK object to the shift towards a federal Europe, many have mediaeval ideas of sovereignty which are completely false, many now support the EU. It's a complete feck up, whichever way you look at it.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on April 05, 2019, 10:04:26 AM

Then they'll call due all the debt that they own in the USA, and then we are truly and rightfully fucked.


In general I agree with this thought. But then I remember the early 80's when the Japanese were high on the hog and buying everything American. Predicting world economics is as stupid as standing on the side of the road while fixing your flat tire.


That's very true, owning property in another country is a gentleman's game. What you "own" is a piece of paper saying a building or what have you is yours, the physical asset is a whole 'nother thing. A lesson the Japanese learned all too well when real estate values plummeted.
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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chornbe on April 05, 2019, 11:03:32 AM
China owns DEBT in the USA. HSBC bank and its subsidiaries, and China buys up whatever shifted debt in the USA they can get their hands on. Lots and lots and lots of vendor and OEM credit plans - that Kawasaki or Honda credit card...? Yep, Chinese debt. Lots of debt, leaving many citizens of the USA owing Chinese companies (and in many cases, the government).

Not sure how that's not the scariest damned thing in the world since we were all planning for nukes hitting our schools.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on April 05, 2019, 11:10:29 AM
Guy Fawkes or Marinus Van der Lubbe, take your pick   :smiley_thumb:


Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on April 10, 2019, 03:04:55 PM
China owns DEBT in the USA. HSBC bank and its subsidiaries, and China buys up whatever shifted debt in the USA they can get their hands on. Lots and lots and lots of vendor and OEM credit plans - that Kawasaki or Honda credit card...? Yep, Chinese debt. Lots of debt, leaving many citizens of the USA owing Chinese companies (and in many cases, the government).

Not sure how that's not the scariest damned thing in the world since we were all planning for nukes hitting our schools.

Legit question, I'm not in the know on lots of this stuff:

What's to stop us just from saying "go pound sand" when they call all their debts?   Doesn't that mean that they hold a piece of paper that says we owe them?  Even if they own companies and banks, if its a national security issue can't we simply remove them?  I know it will cost us credibility in the world, but if our national security is at stake?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chornbe on April 10, 2019, 03:19:53 PM
I guess nothing, really. Other than maybe being able to secure debt in other countries if we should ever need it. * shrug *

It's an excellent question. HSBC and other chinese backed companies have always been legal business entities here, so yeah, I guess it just comes down to how much we want to make ourselves a persona non-grata on the world stage. Trying not to get political, but this past year or so, that's kinda been happening anyway. Pulling out of the eco accords was a serious punch in our international credibility nose. :(
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on April 10, 2019, 03:35:00 PM
China owns DEBT in the USA. HSBC bank and its subsidiaries, and China buys up whatever shifted debt in the USA they can get their hands on. Lots and lots and lots of vendor and OEM credit plans - that Kawasaki or Honda credit card...? Yep, Chinese debt. Lots of debt, leaving many citizens of the USA owing Chinese companies (and in many cases, the government).

Not sure how that's not the scariest damned thing in the world since we were all planning for nukes hitting our schools.

Legit question, I'm not in the know on lots of this stuff:

What's to stop us just from saying "go pound sand" when they call all their debts?   Doesn't that mean that they hold a piece of paper that says we owe them?  Even if they own companies and banks, if its a national security issue can't we simply remove them?  I know it will cost us credibility in the world, but if our national security is at stake?
That would be defaulting on a promissory note.
A few things would happen:
Currently the USD is the default international currency of trade (oil, grains... all sorts of comodities).  If the US were to default, foreign countries would move quickly to dump USD for other more "stable" currencies.  That would drive the value of the USD down.  Since something like 2/3 of USD are held by foreign countries in the form of hard currency, the drop would be profound if they switched to Euros or Yen or even a hybrid currency based on several different currencies (which the Chinese have been pushing for).

Secondly, it would be the absolute end of deficit spending in the US since no other country (or bank) would take the risk of loaning money to a country known for defaulting.  The US government would come crashing to a halt or taxes would have to radically go up.

Knock on effects would include international corps and financial services industries would minimize US effects by moving headquarters and services out of the US (probably to Canada for corporations) among other things.

In short, it would get ugly fast.

More likely, the US would start printing money, which would cause significant inflation, which in turn would significantly cut the value of the Chinese holdings (If you hold $1M in notes, and the US prints 100% more dollars, causing 100% inflation, your notes are worth the equivalent of $500,000).
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cookie on April 10, 2019, 03:40:10 PM
So, why can't we collect the debt that's owed us that I hear so much about?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on April 10, 2019, 03:50:18 PM
So, why can't we collect the debt that's owed us that I hear so much about?
Different countries are different answers.  Political influence, access to markets, tactical location for military bases, desire for natural resources...

But you're right.  It does seem like there's a mythical circle of mutual debt to fuel excessive spending by numerous countries with nothing but paper and good will to back those loans.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cablebandit on April 10, 2019, 06:31:02 PM
Meh, the press likes to make a big deal aboot chinese owned debt.  It's only aboot 5 percent of our total debt, hell Japan owns just under 5%.  The vast majority is owned by Americans and the gov't itself.  If we all donate $16,000 we could pay off Chinese debt tomorrow.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on April 10, 2019, 06:48:50 PM
Meh, the press likes to make a big deal aboot chinese owned debt.  It's only aboot 5 percent of our total debt, hell Japan owns just under 5%.  The vast majority is owned by Americans and the gov't itself.  If we all donate $16,000 we could pay off Chinese debt tomorrow.


Well darn it, I'm in! I'm going to send a check to the US gub'ment tomorrow an' do my bit for democracy. I suggest all you freedom loving 'Muricans do the same.

 :smiley_thumb:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cookie on April 11, 2019, 03:42:27 AM
Meh, the press likes to make a big deal aboot chinese owned debt.  It's only aboot 5 percent of our total debt, hell Japan owns just under 5%.  The vast majority is owned by Americans and the gov't itself.  If we all donate $16,000 we could pay off Chinese debt tomorrow.


Well darn it, I'm in! I'm going to send a check to the US gub'ment tomorrow an' do my bit for democracy. I suggest all you freedom loving 'Muricans do the same.

 :smiley_thumb:


I’ve given them plenty. This time they’re going to have to do it themselves.

They won’t learn anything if we keep doing it for them.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: minimac on April 11, 2019, 07:44:06 AM

That would be defaulting on a promissory note.
A few things would happen:
Currently the USD is the default international currency of trade (oil, grains... all sorts of comodities).  If the US were to default, foreign countries would move quickly to dump USD for other more "stable" currencies.  That would drive the value of the USD down.  Since something like 2/3 of USD are held by foreign countries in the form of hard currency, the drop would be profound if they switched to Euros or Yen or even a hybrid currency based on several different currencies (which the Chinese have been pushing for).

That would sure help my Bitcoin and Etherium.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on April 11, 2019, 02:09:03 PM
Meanwhile, the UK government has been given until October to get their act together. I have yet to read up on the details, but it sounds like this will be the "final" due date.... God, I really hope so. This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Flyer on April 11, 2019, 04:37:55 PM
Meanwhile, the UK government has been given until October to get their act together.
What year?
66.04 millions in a clown car backing over the White Cliffs o' Dover...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Andrew on April 11, 2019, 09:43:48 PM
Yep Oct 31, Halloween.....  Trick or treat and good by EU
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on April 19, 2019, 02:20:32 PM
Father Brown: I never said it was always wrong to enter fairyland, I only said it was always dangerous.

Chesterton.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on May 04, 2019, 05:17:56 PM
From a series of satirical books that are written as if they were kid’s adventure stories:

(The sign the guy in the boat is holding says “£350M for the picnic fund)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on May 15, 2019, 02:44:18 PM
Those in the know will recognise the Farage child, alongside the National Socialist.

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Flyer on May 15, 2019, 04:16:20 PM
We disparage the Farage.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 24, 2019, 10:01:51 AM
So.

Is Papa busy getting ready to take over as Prime Minister?  I thought there'd be a UK update by now...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on May 24, 2019, 10:30:35 AM
We'll have that tosser Boris next....
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: jadziadax8 on May 24, 2019, 05:31:24 PM
I’m so, so sorry.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on May 24, 2019, 06:32:43 PM
We'll have that tosser Boris next....

And I thought our gubermint wuz messed up.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 25, 2019, 11:20:56 AM
We'll have that tosser Boris next....
Was the last one named Natasha?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on May 25, 2019, 01:47:15 PM
Pretty soon they're going to run a background check on you if you're buying a milkshake
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on May 25, 2019, 02:28:39 PM
Saw where our city wants all pets registered.

When pets are registered only registrars will have pets.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on May 25, 2019, 02:37:13 PM
We'll have that tosser Boris next....

And I thought our gubermint wuz messed up.

Well.... it is  :shrug:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: zer0netgain on May 26, 2019, 11:29:49 AM
I’m amazed more don’t want out of the EU.

The heart and soul of the discontent seems to revolve over “parliament” being a bunch of unelected “representatives” who have no accountability to the nation or people they represent.  So, a bunch of bureaucrats deciding what’s best for everyone regardless of what people think about the proposals.

Sure the EU bolstered prosperity, but at the expense of self determination.  The EU is not “the United States of Europe.”  The US is a republic of 50 independent states agreeing to be bound to an overarching political structure limited in scope with checks and balances.  The EU pretty much dictates what its member nations must do because a handful of politicians think they know what’s best for everyone else.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on May 26, 2019, 01:06:40 PM
EU politicians are accountable-the lack of accountability is a myth perpetrated by the far right.

The EU has brought us peace, wealth and rights.

Leaving the EU will benefit a cynical few, who have sold a nationalist dream to people who have suffered under an austerity programme.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on May 26, 2019, 05:44:59 PM
Regardless whether EU membership is bad or good, where the UK stands now in between is not good for the UK.  You got to move, you got to move
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on May 27, 2019, 01:20:33 AM
yes we have. our gubbernment is the worst in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on May 27, 2019, 09:31:28 AM
yes we have. our gubbernment is the worst in my lifetime.

Why does that sound somewhat familiar to what I heard about Thatcher's time?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on May 27, 2019, 01:44:13 PM
Kinds like US.  They keep improving on the worseness.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on May 27, 2019, 02:00:52 PM
yes we have. our gubbernment is the worst in my lifetime.

Why does that sound somewhat familiar to what I heard about Thatcher's time?

at least she was pro Europe
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on May 27, 2019, 04:25:47 PM
One thing for sure, when it comes to protesting, your method is exemplary.

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: jadziadax8 on May 28, 2019, 06:48:10 AM
Is that milk? 😅
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on May 28, 2019, 09:02:08 AM
Is that milk? 😅

Milk shake. Although yoghurts have been used.

One Farage supporter even poured yoghurt over himself to claim he had been assaulted. Bless the little attention-seeking saddo.

Anyway, the votes are in for the European Parliament. The Brexit party won. Democratically.

Although-did it? Add the leavers votes together, remove the Conservatives and Labour-neither of whom has a coherent policy, despite being the main parties, and the result was 40% remain, 32% leave.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on May 28, 2019, 09:34:47 AM
Sounds like a pollster or statistician; you can add and remove all sorts of things to get to a predetermined result.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 28, 2019, 09:59:10 AM
Newly formed Brexit Party cleans the clocks of all other UK parties in EU elections (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/world/europe/farage-brexit-party-uk-elections.html)

Maybe they DO represent the majority's wishes...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on May 28, 2019, 11:15:19 AM
Well, 32% of the voters who turned out, they do.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 28, 2019, 11:23:43 AM
Well, 32% of the voters who turned out, they do.

If you don't turn out to vote, you must not care too much...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on May 28, 2019, 11:33:29 AM
Well, 32% of the voters who turned out, they do.

If you don't turn out to vote, you must not care too much...

agreed
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on June 01, 2019, 02:12:41 AM
Someone in Scotland wrote “WANK” beside every party on their ballot, other than the Green Party, beside which was written “not wank”.

According to Scottish Law that indicates “Clear preference” and the vote got counted
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on June 01, 2019, 09:36:11 AM
Most excellent!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on June 01, 2019, 01:36:56 PM
"Caledonian Wankers Win One Wednesday-Western Isle Women Wondering Why"

Video at 11:00, BBC2
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 03, 2019, 01:19:27 PM
Britain is now the first country which has declared war upon itself and still managed to lose.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: zer0netgain on September 03, 2019, 01:30:30 PM
Britain is now the first country which has declared war upon itself and still managed to lose.

What's the latest in the effort to carry out that which the people voted to do?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 03, 2019, 01:54:26 PM
Britain is now the first country which has declared war upon itself and still managed to lose.

What's the latest in the effort to carry out that which the people voted to do?

The people voted Brexit by (I think, memory  fades, it's been so long) 53% to 49%.

Nobody voted for a no deal Brexit. Brexit campaigners told us we would be richer, get a deal, etc. They lied.

Everybody was lied to at the referendum, mainly by people who would make a lot of money out of Brexit. Most Brexit voters came from areas where heavy industry had gone (think Rust Belt), who had had no voice for decades, had high rates of unemployment (or low wages) and low rates of educational attainment.

We voted into Europe in 1975. This was the second referendum, held to keep the Tory Party together, not for the national good. Best of three?

As we speak, Parliament is attempting to wrestle back control from the Government. One is elected, the other, not so much.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 03, 2019, 01:56:21 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49573138 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49573138)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on September 03, 2019, 02:13:22 PM
We're watching the circus on TV now. I am doing my best to follow UK government processes, but from my couch, this is the most royal fuck-up since ... I don't know. It's pretty bad.

At this point, I just want Oct 31st to come so that the major points of uncertainty can be put aside and everyone can focus on cleaning up the mess.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 03, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
And then there is this, the collapse of the Good Friday agreement (thank you USA for helping broker it). There is no way that Ulster can remain violence-free after Brexit, however tgings pan out. Violence has begun again, although on a smaller scale than before.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/irish-border-after-brexit- (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/irish-border-after-brexit-)–-all-ideas-are-beset-by-issues-says-secret-paper/ar-AAGGn7J?ocid=sf
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 03, 2019, 02:20:36 PM
We're watching the circus on TV now. I am doing my best to follow UK government processes, but from my couch, this is the most royal fuck-up since ... I don't know. It's pretty bad.

At this point, I just want Oct 31st to come so that the major points of uncertainty can be put aside and everyone can focus on cleaning up the mess.

It is. The Mother of Parliaments has shown itself to be so fragile. Most of our constitution was written on the back of a fag packet in 1689.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on September 03, 2019, 07:02:50 PM

They lied.

Everybody was lied to..., mainly by people who would make a lot of money...  ...voters came from areas where heavy industry had gone (think Rust Belt), who had had no voice for decades, had high rates of unemployment (or low wages) and low rates of educational attainment.


POLITICS.  Yuck.

We managed to snag a tour of British Parliament 2 years ago.  I was amazed to learn there Is not enough room to seat all of the members at once.   Add to that the roll call for voting sounds bonkers.

Today the pound sterling nearly fell to its lowest level in 34 years.  Last week I had dinner with a fellow (it wasn’t Thaler) who tried to Make me understand why significantly weakening a nation’s currency would be good for its economy.  Didn’t look that way to me today. 

But I think I might be wading too deeply into politics here.  Best of luck Papa.



It is. The Mother of Parliaments has shown itself to be so fragile. Most of our constitution was written on the back of a fag packet in 1689.

And it’s held up pretty d@mn well for all of that.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: R Doug on September 04, 2019, 11:47:06 AM
Selfishly, the GBP to USD has improved (for me) making that trip Sheri and I want to take to Scotland a little more affordable.  :) 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on September 04, 2019, 05:05:53 PM
If you time it just right in August, you can visit both Balmoral Castle and Buckingham Palace (both when the Queen is not in residence) and visit Parliament while its not in session, all before Scotland decides to secede from the Union to remain in the EU. 
 :facepalm:
Missed your chance this year; good thing Parliament passed the vote today. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Eh2zed on September 04, 2019, 06:12:09 PM
This dance is getting ugly. Who knew the world could be complicated?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: zer0netgain on September 05, 2019, 04:02:29 AM
This dance is getting ugly. Who knew the world could be complicated?

Just my perspective, but it seems the anti-Brexit forces have fought tooth and nail to not let it happen rather than work in good faith for a smooth(er) transition.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 05, 2019, 05:38:40 AM
This dance is getting ugly. Who knew the world could be complicated?

Just my perspective, but it seems the anti-Brexit forces have fought tooth and nail to not let it happen rather than work in good faith for a smooth(er) transition.

Actually, the Brexiteers didn't expect to win and therefore had no plan to leave the EU. Then they asked the grown ups-the Remainers- to sort it out for them. The Brexiteers didn't like the result and voted it down. Then they came into power. They are not doing well, so far.

Brexit with a deal is one thing, no deal would be, using the word advisedly, catastrophic.  Brexit with no deal was not voted for (the Brexiteers promised the world would be falling over itself to give the UK a deal. It didn't).

And I really worry about a return to violence in Ulster.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: zer0netgain on September 05, 2019, 08:09:16 AM
Brexit with a deal is one thing, no deal would be, using the word advisedly, catastrophic.  Brexit with no deal was not voted for (the Brexiteers promised the world would be falling over itself to give the UK a deal. It didn't).

It's not in the EU's interest to let anyone out of the EU.  Of course they didn't want to make a deal.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 05, 2019, 08:16:35 AM
Brexit with a deal is one thing, no deal would be, using the word advisedly, catastrophic.  Brexit with no deal was not voted for (the Brexiteers promised the world would be falling over itself to give the UK a deal. It didn't).

It's not in the EU's interest to let anyone out of the EU.  Of course they didn't want to make a deal.

Don't think that's quite right. They'd prefer Brexit with a deal and offered a deal (of course they'd prefer it if we stayed). The Irish backstop, to prevent a return to violence and protect Eire's economy, scuppered it in parliament.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on September 05, 2019, 10:59:12 AM
Brexit with a deal is one thing, no deal would be, using the word advisedly, catastrophic.  Brexit with no deal was not voted for (the Brexiteers promised the world would be falling over itself to give the UK a deal. It didn't).

It's not in the EU's interest to let anyone out of the EU.  Of course they didn't want to make a deal.

Don't think that's quite right. They'd prefer Brexit with a deal and offered a deal (of course they'd prefer it if we stayed). The Irish backstop, to prevent a return to violence and protect Eire's economy, scuppered it in parliament.

I would disagree.  The EU has a vested interest in the UK suffering from leaving the EU.  If the UK is unaffected or benefits from it, other small countries (it is feared) will head for the doors as well, further weakening the bargaining ability of Germany and France (ie the main drivers of the EU).
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 05, 2019, 11:23:11 AM
Oh, they'll punish us but not as badly as we feared.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on September 05, 2019, 01:52:11 PM
Naturally the EU would prefer the UK to stay. But if they're not going to stay, the EU is not going to make it easy for the UK.

However, this "unknowing" chaos that is currently going on, a decision needs to be made. It is causing instability not just in the UK and the EU, but further afield as well.


Personally, I hope that the EU does not grant an extension. The UK needs to get its act together - an act they had three years to sort out  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 05, 2019, 03:02:45 PM
our politicians have sh*t for brains
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 05, 2019, 03:07:58 PM
Jeremy Clarkson

@JeremyClarkson


I’ve had a really good idea. Why don’t we all just agree this Brexit business is far too complicated and pretend it never happened?

131K
3:57 PM - Sep 3, 2019

Ks©
@KeionSCripps

Replying to @JeremyClarkson

surrender? i voted leave and will never surrender!

494
4:03 PM - Sep 3, 2019


Jeremy Clarkson

@JeremyClarkson

Replying to @KeionSCripps

Yes but that’s like voting for a 16 inch penis.

6,425
4:14 PM - Sep 3, 2019
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: coho on September 05, 2019, 03:22:54 PM
I had no idea that Boris Johnson was only 16 inches tall. Huh.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on September 05, 2019, 09:35:43 PM
I believe the EU ultimately benefit if theUK leaves.  The U.K. is not part of the single currency, so no downside there.  There are many large financial groups departing U.K. and relocating in EU due to the loss of reciprocal residency.  The EU benefits from this transition.  Of course, EU doesnt want to loose the U.K. trade agreements.  On balance through, there is no strong motivation to offer the U.K. comfortable terms.  And that is exactly where the offer sits.  UK suffers even more if it leaves without a deal.  EU is in a position to say take it or leave it. 

One point I agree with Boris; the U.K. needs to exit and end it soon. 

But it’s not the best thing for either the U.K. or EU.  Deal or no deal.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on September 09, 2019, 09:42:36 PM
Meh.  Mark my words- it's like with US politics.  Lots of people screaming that the sky is falling.  In reality it's just going happen.  There will be some bumps, but no one's going to war and it will be OK.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: zer0netgain on September 10, 2019, 04:03:32 AM
The way this is being handled makes me think of a lawyer trying to drag out negotiations long enough for the statute of limitations to lapse so the other side loses by default.  The EU is just dragging its feet hoping the politics in England will change and people no longer want to go through with it.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cookie on September 10, 2019, 04:06:25 AM
Meh.  Mark my words- it's like with US politics.  Lots of people screaming that the sky is falling.  In reality it's just going happen.  There will be some bumps, but no one's going to war and it will be OK.

But I have all these bullets.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on September 10, 2019, 12:25:44 PM
The EU is just dragging its feet hoping the politics in England will change and people no longer want to go through with it.

The EU is dragging its feet? Surely that is a typo....  :shrug:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 10, 2019, 02:09:00 PM
The EU is just dragging its feet hoping the politics in England will change and people no longer want to go through with it.

The EU is dragging its feet? Surely that is a typo....  :shrug:

The EU is behaving just fine. WE are not.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chornbe on September 10, 2019, 02:40:23 PM
Given France's and Germany's stance on Internet and publishing, the best thing ANYONE can do is run from the EU's governing bodies.

$.02
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on September 10, 2019, 07:24:51 PM
Leaving the EU appears to be doing a world of good for the British economy.  Why, it’s creating market shortages that are sure to spur retail growth.  [Sorry Papa, it’s that subtle touch of cynacism that people hate.]  Why just today, “…BlackRock advises investors to pounce on Brexit selloffs”.

Quote from:  Steve Goldstein, Published: Sept 10, 2019 8:04 a.m. ET
BlackRock Investment Institute said ... “Against this backdrop, we do not see the Bank of England raising rates as it has guided. This underpins our positive view on U.K. gilts. We hold a neutral view on U.K. equities but see opportunities if Brexit-related fears lead to indiscriminate selloffs, particularly in U.K. companies that derive most of their earnings from global markets,” the fund manager said.

But the economic news in the U.K. was rosy, as the U.K. unemployment rate in July fell to a lower-than-forecast 3.8% while average weekly earnings grew a faster-than-forecast 4%.

I agree Brexit is going to happen and the sky won’t fall, although it’s sure to weaken the British economy for years to come.  I wish I could find that 4-point plan by May’s economic advisor about re-making the British economy the strongest in the world.   Yes, she actually had a tenable written plan for acomplishment.

But you have to wonder about what’s happening in Parliament. 

MPs attempted to prevent House of Commons Speaker John Bercow from suspending Pariament for a 5-week recess today by symbolically pinning him to his chair. 

Can't those MPs play nice in the sandbox?

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on September 11, 2019, 08:35:50 PM
Operation Yellowhammer worst case planning assumptions (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf) were released to the public today.  Makes for an interesting read.   

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Jim on September 13, 2019, 11:31:00 PM
...just saw this pop up and thought folks here might (or not) appreciate this short Brexit vid:

The Beatles' Ringo Starr: Brexit Is Good for Britain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XE1SYsDoFM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XE1SYsDoFM)

The Beatles' Ringo Starr: Brexit Is Good for Britain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XE1SYsDoFM#)

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on September 14, 2019, 01:30:15 AM
...just saw this pop up and thought folks here might (or not) appreciate this short Brexit vid:

The Beatles' Ringo Starr: Brexit Is Good for Britain

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XE1SYsDoFM[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XE1SYsDoFM[/url])

The Beatles' Ringo Starr: Brexit Is Good for Britain ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XE1SYsDoFM#[/url])


He's still a twat, whatever his views
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Eh2zed on September 14, 2019, 08:17:06 AM
Let’s take advice from actors and musicians because they are obviously experts!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on September 14, 2019, 08:36:49 AM
That video is simply amazing.

That information is so revealing.

We thought Ringo was dead.

 :bash:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on September 25, 2019, 08:18:08 PM
Read an interesting piece today about Hornby Railways, the British model train maker.

The company reportedly said, “We regret not producing a Brexit themed model.”  “If the situation persists, we have plans for a locomotive that reliably gets stuck between stations,”

Made me smile, they're taking it well.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: sleazy rider on October 22, 2019, 03:53:37 PM
Shamelessly stolen for here.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on October 23, 2019, 01:43:38 PM
 :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: jimmy on October 28, 2019, 09:54:16 AM
Well, nobody saw this coming....  8)

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/eu-grants-brexit-delay-to-jan-31-uk-ponders-new-election/ar-AAJsJlp?li=AAggNb9 (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/eu-grants-brexit-delay-to-jan-31-uk-ponders-new-election/ar-AAJsJlp?li=AAggNb9)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: sleazy rider on October 29, 2019, 07:44:13 AM
Well, nobody saw this coming....  8)

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/eu-grants-brexit-delay-to-jan-31-uk-ponders-new-election/ar-AAJsJlp?li=AAggNb9 (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/eu-grants-brexit-delay-to-jan-31-uk-ponders-new-election/ar-AAJsJlp?li=AAggNb9)


Pfft.  Stevie Wonder could see that happening. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on October 29, 2019, 12:08:40 PM
just not long enough-needs to be the end of May 2020 to be useful
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on October 30, 2019, 02:26:26 AM
2015: General Election
2017: General Election
2019: General Election

Can we have another referendum?

“No! We must respect the will of the people in 2016!”
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on October 30, 2019, 08:14:19 AM
https://youtu.be/SN0_yBDqjOA
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on October 30, 2019, 11:39:11 AM
2015: General Election
2017: General Election
2019: General Election

Can we have another referendum?

“No! We must respect the will of the people in 2016!”

I'm no expert in British politics, but a referendum passes, shouldn't it be carried out?  I mean, the majority (who voted, which is how these things work) wanted Brexit.  Wtf is with the "Do over" movement?  What is this, a best of 5 series?

As for General elections, from what I've read, this is a political maneuver to press one's political advantage, is that not correct? 
One final thing:  Is a vote for Jeremy Corbyn the same as a vote for anti-semitic intolerance? (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45030552)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Baxter on October 30, 2019, 01:26:18 PM
2015: General Election
2017: General Election
2019: General Election

Can we have another referendum?

“No! We must respect the will of the people in 2016!”

I'm no expert in British politics, but a referendum passes, shouldn't it be carried out?  I mean, the majority (who voted, which is how these things work) wanted Brexit.  Wtf is with the "Do over" movement?  What is this, a best of 5 series?

As for General elections, from what I've read, this is a political maneuver to press one's political advantage, is that not correct? 
One final thing:  Is a vote for Jeremy Corbyn the same as a vote for anti-semitic intolerance? (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45030552)

I also hesitate to speak to another nation's politics.  But my understanding is that the actual terms of Brexit and its effects were unknown at the time of the Brexit vote.  So it may be wise to have a vote now that the terms and their effects are known.  Also, Papa can correct me if I'm wrong, but I also thought that the Brexit vote was more of an opinion poll and not a conclusory vote such as an initiated measure or a constitutional amendment are in U.S. state governmental elections.

I've been surprised that Corbyn hasn't been replaced as his party's leader based on the anti-Semitism.  But just look at some of the evil things U.S. politicians say.  For example, a U.S. Representative commented very recently that many of us wouldn't be here if it wasn't for rape and incest.  I used to live in this creep's state, and I can't believe that he wasn't forced to resign by the good people who live there.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on November 01, 2019, 02:05:55 AM
All public referendums (referenda?) are advisory, not binding on the government of the day.

The 2016 referendum was the second in/out referendum. The first one said "in".

Nobody knew the effects of Brexit at the time of the 2016 referendum and the leave voters were lied to and promised things that could not happen. Nonetheless, many leave voters would still vote leave, even though it risks breaking up the Union, for sovereignty. Whatever that is these days.

I am no Corbyn fan because of anti-Semitism in the Labour party and his seeming inability to manage his party or come out on one side or the other, because he is trying to please both leavers and remainers and he is anti-EU himself. Being a half decent manager is key to being a half decent Prime Minister. Johnson is a lying little toad. We have crap politicians at present.

Calling a General Election means that the single issue of Brexit will become muddled up with all the other reasons people vote for a party, such as loyalty, policies, etc. We need a third referendum.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on November 20, 2019, 08:00:54 PM
“I make my own damson jam”
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: zer0netgain on November 21, 2019, 04:01:36 AM
For example, a U.S. Representative commented very recently that many of us wouldn't be here if it wasn't for rape and incest.  I used to live in this creep's state, and I can't believe that he wasn't forced to resign by the good people who live there.

Welcome to Virginia.  :( :o :-\
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on November 25, 2019, 08:05:57 PM
As if Brexit wasn’t bad enough…

Uber is losing its license to operate in London after the Transport for London regulator discovered more than 14,000 journeys had been made by uninsured drivers. 

Hail the black cabs.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on November 29, 2019, 09:51:10 PM
“He was sacked twice for lying. So when he says he has never lied, he’s literally lying,' says Jo Swinson, as Boris Johnson insists he's never told a single lie in his whole political career.”
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Eh2zed on December 08, 2019, 03:01:40 PM
So if Britain does a Brexit will London do a Lexit? Wales a Wexit? Scotland a Sexit?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Eh2zed on December 08, 2019, 03:03:31 PM
And will anything matter after China does a Chexit and they throw everybody out?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on December 08, 2019, 03:04:23 PM
I'm looking forward to Scotland saying  :blbl:  to the UK and staying in the EU  :inlove:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on December 08, 2019, 03:13:53 PM
I'm looking forward to Scotland saying  :blbl:  to the UK and staying in the EU  :inlove:

It's the end of the UK if we leave the EU. The idjuts just can't see it.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Flyer on December 08, 2019, 04:19:20 PM
It's the end of the UK if we leave the EU. The idjuts just can't see it.
Visibility isn't great from inside a clown-car...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on December 09, 2019, 08:09:36 AM
So, fill me in. What are the advantages of staying in the EU where the "donor" countries are expected to pick up the slack for "taker" countries instead of letting their financial policies have the repercussions of poor choices? Seems like a recipe for tax increases.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Eh2zed on December 09, 2019, 11:25:28 AM
We have jeniuses here who want to split from Canada. Go figure out how that will work out to an advantage in negotiations with Beijing and Washington and South Korea and France and and and...
Trade is just a semi-polite form of warfare. Negotiations always contain an imbalance that is reflected in the deal. Ask your small town hardware store how they do when Home Depot comes around... local shops when Costco arrives...
Being part of a larger group does have costs but so does running alone.
The best course IN MY OPINION is almost always something in the middle. It’s all about balance.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on December 09, 2019, 06:44:57 PM
So, fill me in. What are the advantages of staying in the EU where the "donor" countries are expected to pick up the slack for "taker" countries instead of letting their financial policies have the repercussions of poor choices? Seems like a recipe for tax increases.

One place to look is what the framers of our Constitution wrote about direct and indirect taxation.  I believe there is analogous reasoning that can be applied equally well to the current situation with the EU.  It's not a black and white zero sum game outcome.  There is a downside to the upside, but there is an overall benefit to societies that work together constructively.  The USA is proof of that.

On the flip side, Brexit et al is so much more entertaining than Days of Our Lives. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: jadziadax8 on December 10, 2019, 07:42:27 AM
So, fill me in. What are the advantages of staying in the EU where the "donor" countries are expected to pick up the slack for "taker" countries instead of letting their financial policies have the repercussions of poor choices? Seems like a recipe for tax increases.

One place to look is what the framers of our Constitution wrote about direct and indirect taxation.  I believe there is analogous reasoning that can be applied equally well to the current situation with the EU.  It's not a black and white zero sum game outcome.  There is a downside to the upside, but there is an overall benefit to societies that work together constructively.  The USA is proof of that.

On the flip side, Brexit et al is so much more entertaining than Days of Our Lives.

Greece = Mississippi

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Bounce on December 10, 2019, 08:18:21 AM
That was my thinking
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on December 10, 2019, 05:22:46 PM
Sources of income ≠ Debt service as a percentage of income (https://www.mercatus.org/publications/36-ranking-states-fiscal-condition-mississippi)

Just spent a couple of weeks in Greece. 

Greece ≠ Mississippi in so many different ways
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: zer0netgain on December 11, 2019, 03:32:04 AM
So, fill me in. What are the advantages of staying in the EU where the "donor" countries are expected to pick up the slack for "taker" countries instead of letting their financial policies have the repercussions of poor choices? Seems like a recipe for tax increases.

I think that’s a key reason for this nonsense.  Nobody wants to bail out people who are leeches.  The EU is choosing to do so and foot the working people with the bill.  Choices like that make some feel like the “representative government” does not represent them.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: zer0netgain on December 11, 2019, 03:36:47 AM
As if Brexit wasn’t bad enough…

Uber is losing its license to operate in London after the Transport for London regulator discovered more than 14,000 journeys had been made by uninsured drivers. 

Hail the black cabs.

That’s starting to happen here.  Read your insurance policy.  They’ve barred coverage for personal vehicles used as cabs or other “for hire” transports.  When I had vehicles registered to a business, I had to make sure I was covered without needing a special rider or policy.  Since I didn’t use them as a cab or other hired transport, my private insurance covered me.

Uber and Lyft has been using people who are essentially uninsured for years as their insurance would not cover them in an incident where they are hired out to drive people places.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on December 11, 2019, 08:31:57 PM
It's Election Day
In The UK
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on December 12, 2019, 12:13:05 PM
It's Election Day
In The UK
Yep. Should be interesting to see what transpires  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: jadziadax8 on December 12, 2019, 12:28:14 PM
Wow, polls don't close until 10:00 pm there.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on December 12, 2019, 05:12:11 PM
And exit polls are restricted to restrict the media’s influence on the results to a fellow named Ivan on Twitter.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mossyrocks on December 12, 2019, 05:47:25 PM
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form the The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10541284/election-exit-poll-boris-johnson-on-course-for-a-majority-as-polls-predict-tory-win/)

Tory's are taken it...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on December 13, 2019, 01:47:35 AM
we're fucked.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Flyer on December 13, 2019, 05:46:55 AM
Happy now?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on December 13, 2019, 10:48:23 AM
utterly miserable thanks.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on December 13, 2019, 03:26:22 PM
we're fucked.


Forgive me, but I don't think so. What I see admittedly through rose coloured glasses is a situation similar to what we have here in Washington State; ie a very liberal and progressive London which embraces internationalism and the EU, vs the rest of the country that see's it as a none starter that's gone too far. The fact that Boris won with a considerable margin and the Tories picked up over 40 seats in parliament bears that out. Wailing, gnashing teeth and pointing at racist little Englanders doesn't change that.

As a comparison here, Seattle and King County are a liberal blob in an otherwise conservative state, however because of population densities they usually drive the agenda and go so far as to file lawsuits if the vote goes against them. You can extrapolate that to the entire country with Trump winning the Presidency by electoral votes over a majority popular vote going against him and the democrats engaging in one pathetic witch hunt after another trying to unseat him.

Tough shit for the party that lost in both cases, but if you're going to have a vote then you have to except the possibility that it'll go against your wishes and make whatever the outcome is work.
 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on December 13, 2019, 04:58:14 PM
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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: viffergyrl on December 13, 2019, 05:07:02 PM
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 :withstupid:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: st2sam on December 13, 2019, 05:39:49 PM
we're fucked.
Forgive me, but I don't think so. What I see admittedly through rose coloured glasses is a situation similar to what we have here in Washington State; ie a very liberal and progressive London which embraces internationalism and the EU, vs the rest of the country that see's it as a none starter that's gone too far. The fact that Boris won with a considerable margin and the Tories picked up over 40 seats in parliament bears that out. Wailing, gnashing teeth and pointing at racist little Englanders doesn't change that.
As a comparison here, Seattle and King County are a liberal blob in an otherwise conservative state, however because of population densities they usually drive the agenda and go so far as to file lawsuits if the vote goes against them. You can extrapolate that to the entire country with Trump winning the Presidency by electoral votes over a majority popular vote going against him and the democrats engaging in one pathetic witch hunt after another trying to unseat him.

Tough shit for the party that lost in both cases, but if you're going to have a vote then you have to except the possibility that it'll go against your wishes and make whatever the outcome is work.
Best post in the whole thread. 
Thank you stevent.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on December 13, 2019, 06:19:11 PM
we're fucked.

Just curious.  Do you think it will be. a hard Brexit or more like a Norway style agreement keeping the single marketplace.  Considering Boris’ lack of veracity, it would not be unlike him to promise one thing and do another. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on December 14, 2019, 12:23:57 AM
we're fucked.

Just curious.  Do you think it will be. a hard Brexit or more like a Norway style agreement keeping the single marketplace.  Considering Boris’ lack of veracity, it would not be unlike him to promise one thing and do another.

He no longer needs the ERG, a hard right anti-Europe group in the Tory party, because of his huge majority. so I suspect he may go for a softer Brexit. But who knows? The man is incapable of telling the truth or stringing a coherent sentence together.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on December 14, 2019, 08:11:37 AM
A common trend among world politicians. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Baxter on December 15, 2019, 03:07:13 PM
Some English friends and I have a long running joke about this.  Whenever Brexit comes up, we offer to sponsor them for immigration, and whenever Trump comes up they offer to sponsor us for immigration.

We're in agreement on both of those topics.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on December 20, 2019, 08:07:23 PM
I'm not sure I've ever been more excited about sitting back and watching how the cards fall.

None of it is going to affect me much, so I really don't get that excited about it.

Of course I enjoy stirring the pot a bit here and there.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on December 21, 2019, 12:03:36 AM
We might be a long way behind China and the Us but we're still one of the world's biggest economies. Our economy isn't doing well. We are courting China and a somewhat out of control regime in another big country. We won't be tackling climate change very well. We'll harbour all sorts of criminals, their money, etc.

It'll affect you Clay. Don't worry.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on December 21, 2019, 12:44:56 AM
A merry Brexitmas to you all.

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Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on December 21, 2019, 07:34:06 AM
Happy Brexmas, the vote is in.  Or should I say the vote yesterday is OUT by Jan 31.

It’s definitely much easier watching “politics as usual” when it’s happening in another country. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 31, 2020, 04:47:50 PM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on January 31, 2020, 06:05:48 PM
The boycott has just begun.  It's just been revealed the 50 pence coin is missing an Oxford comma. 
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: coho on January 31, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?

They want to renegotiate so they can sink into the Pacific.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Andrew on January 31, 2020, 08:34:08 PM
As I see it the divorce is done
Now it is time to argue about custody of the kids
(I got that off of NPR, but a good analogy)

Lets see how the EU deals with Britain :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on February 01, 2020, 01:43:11 AM
https://southendnewsnetwork.net/news/man-blows-his-cck-off-while-setting-off-fireworks-at-brexit-party/?fbclid=IwAR1veIPX-GhlRpRJLHG-vZQURGzVDur-tT8ftgaA2bt_pH417ct_v-CWZMA
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on February 02, 2020, 03:15:47 AM
it begins

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-51341735 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-51341735)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on February 02, 2020, 03:38:02 AM
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/01/31/brexiter-a-little-disappointed-to-wake-up-to-find-army-hasnt-begun-rounding-up-foreigners-yet/
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on February 02, 2020, 01:17:13 PM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?

They want to renegotiate so they can sink into the Pacific.


Well the Pacific is typically warmer this time of year...….
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Flyer on February 02, 2020, 03:16:51 PM
https://southendnewsnetwork.net/news/man-blows-his-cck-off-while-setting-off-fireworks-at-brexit-party/?fbclid=IwAR1veIPX-GhlRpRJLHG-vZQURGzVDur-tT8ftgaA2bt_pH417ct_v-CWZMA
Quote
Plastic surgeons at Southend University Hospital have temporarily attached it to his forehead until a date for surgery becomes available.
Changing his name, legally, to Richard Head...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: biking sailor on February 02, 2020, 06:28:26 PM
https://southendnewsnetwork.net/news/man-blows-his-cck-off-while-setting-off-fireworks-at-brexit-party/?fbclid=IwAR1veIPX-GhlRpRJLHG-vZQURGzVDur-tT8ftgaA2bt_pH417ct_v-CWZMA

Is "southendnewsnetwork" a little like the "Onion"?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Andrew on February 02, 2020, 10:15:59 PM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?

They want to renegotiate so they can sink into the Pacific.


Well the Pacific is typically warmer this time of year...….

Come and swim off the beach down the street from my house, before you call the Pacific warm
You'll be dead in less time than you might think
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on February 03, 2020, 12:35:53 AM
https://southendnewsnetwork.net/news/man-blows-his-cck-off-while-setting-off-fireworks-at-brexit-party/?fbclid=IwAR1veIPX-GhlRpRJLHG-vZQURGzVDur-tT8ftgaA2bt_pH417ct_v-CWZMA

Is "southendnewsnetwork" a little like the "Onion"?

there's several  fake news websites that have recently sprung up
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cablebandit on February 03, 2020, 04:15:32 AM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?

They want to renegotiate so they can sink into the Pacific.


You just need to pee as you go to create your own warm spot.

Well the Pacific is typically warmer this time of year...….

Come and swim off the beach down the street from my house, before you call the Pacific warm
You'll be dead in less time than you might think
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cookie on February 03, 2020, 04:29:07 AM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?

They want to renegotiate so they can sink into the Pacific.


Well the Pacific is typically warmer this time of year...….

Come and swim off the beach down the street from my house, before you call the Pacific warm
You'll be dead in less time than you might think

What does this mean?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Baxter on February 03, 2020, 11:04:01 AM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?

They want to renegotiate so they can sink into the Pacific.


Well the Pacific is typically warmer this time of year...….

Come and swim off the beach down the street from my house, before you call the Pacific warm
You'll be dead in less time than you might think

What does this mean?

Hypothermia?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cookie on February 03, 2020, 12:36:09 PM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?

They want to renegotiate so they can sink into the Pacific.


Well the Pacific is typically warmer this time of year...….

Come and swim off the beach down the street from my house, before you call the Pacific warm
You'll be dead in less time than you might think

What does this mean?

Hypothermia?

Toxic waste?
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on February 03, 2020, 12:49:06 PM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?

They want to renegotiate so they can sink into the Pacific.


Well the Pacific is typically warmer this time of year...….

Come and swim off the beach down the street from my house, before you call the Pacific warm
You'll be dead in less time than you might think

What does this mean?

Hypothermia?

Toxic waste?


You'll get et by a gad damn whale or something
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Andrew on February 03, 2020, 10:18:44 PM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?

They want to renegotiate so they can sink into the Pacific.


Well the Pacific is typically warmer this time of year...….

Come and swim off the beach down the street from my house, before you call the Pacific warm
You'll be dead in less time than you might think

What does this mean?

Hypothermia?

Yep very cold, as well as some strong currents, at least one tourist dies every year
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cookie on February 04, 2020, 02:48:08 AM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?

They want to renegotiate so they can sink into the Pacific.


Well the Pacific is typically warmer this time of year...….

Come and swim off the beach down the street from my house, before you call the Pacific warm
You'll be dead in less time than you might think

What does this mean?

Hypothermia?

Yep very cold, as well as some strong currents, at least one tourist dies every year
Fuck tourists.

Then take their stuff.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: SuperHans on February 04, 2020, 06:40:06 AM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?


They want to renegotiate so they can sink into the Pacific.


Well the Pacific is typically warmer this time of year...….

Come and swim off the beach down the street from my house, before you call the Pacific warm
You'll be dead in less time than you might think

What does this mean?

Hypothermia?

Yep very cold, as well as some strong currents, at least one tourist dies every year
Fuck tourists.

Then take their stuff.

I just wanted to expand the quote chain.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: minimac on February 04, 2020, 08:58:03 AM
It's been a few days and England still exists. Damn....
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: miles on February 04, 2020, 09:43:18 AM
It's been a few days and England still exists. Damn....


Barely.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Cablebandit on February 04, 2020, 12:20:54 PM
Seems like it's primed to become a US territory. ;D
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: stevent on February 04, 2020, 12:37:45 PM
Seems like it's primed to become a US territory. ;D


Fuck 'em, they all talk funny.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: jadziadax8 on February 04, 2020, 01:35:17 PM
Seems like it's primed to become a US territory. ;D

 :rolf:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: CLAY on February 05, 2020, 09:21:23 PM
Is it over?  Did England sink into the Atlantic?


They want to renegotiate so they can sink into the Pacific.


Well the Pacific is typically warmer this time of year...….

Come and swim off the beach down the street from my house, before you call the Pacific warm
You'll be dead in less time than you might think

What does this mean?

Hypothermia?

Yep very cold, as well as some strong currents, at least one tourist dies every year
Fuck tourists.

Then take their stuff.

I just wanted to expand the quote chain.

Lightweights.  We lose more tourists than that and we're freshwater.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: minimac on February 06, 2020, 10:54:27 AM

Fuck 'em, they all talk funny.

And they drive on the wrong side of the road.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 15, 2020, 03:53:25 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-poll-most-british-people-want-to-rejoin-eu-2020-6?r=US&IR=T&fbclid=IwAR1E2BaNgbV5oz5_x_7qQ3Vb2GZmWjFbCS_5BWxQBHWS9tXxyU7Lglx-EEI (https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-poll-most-british-people-want-to-rejoin-eu-2020-6?r=US&IR=T&fbclid=IwAR1E2BaNgbV5oz5_x_7qQ3Vb2GZmWjFbCS_5BWxQBHWS9tXxyU7Lglx-EEI)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on July 15, 2020, 11:24:20 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-poll-most-british-people-want-to-rejoin-eu-2020-6?r=US&IR=T&fbclid=IwAR1E2BaNgbV5oz5_x_7qQ3Vb2GZmWjFbCS_5BWxQBHWS9tXxyU7Lglx-EEI (https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-poll-most-british-people-want-to-rejoin-eu-2020-6?r=US&IR=T&fbclid=IwAR1E2BaNgbV5oz5_x_7qQ3Vb2GZmWjFbCS_5BWxQBHWS9tXxyU7Lglx-EEI)

Good luck with that...  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 15, 2020, 12:42:33 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-poll-most-british-people-want-to-rejoin-eu-2020-6?r=US&IR=T&fbclid=IwAR1E2BaNgbV5oz5_x_7qQ3Vb2GZmWjFbCS_5BWxQBHWS9tXxyU7Lglx-EEI (https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-poll-most-british-people-want-to-rejoin-eu-2020-6?r=US&IR=T&fbclid=IwAR1E2BaNgbV5oz5_x_7qQ3Vb2GZmWjFbCS_5BWxQBHWS9tXxyU7Lglx-EEI)

Good luck with that...  :popcorn:

it's too late now. the deadline passed on 30th June.

It  just goes to show how moronic the UK (and a few other governments) are right now.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Mrs. DantesDame on July 15, 2020, 02:49:52 PM
Good luck with that...  :popcorn:

it's too late now. the deadline passed on 30th June.

Oh I know. They are committed now - deal or no deal, even.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 15, 2020, 04:39:18 PM
Good luck with that...  :popcorn:

it's too late now. the deadline passed on 30th June.

Oh I know. They are committed now - deal or no deal, even.

no deal
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Flyer on July 15, 2020, 05:08:27 PM
Divorce is final. Splitting assets and property is a black hole; no light escapes...
https://youtu.be/qNM6IuA87eM
Bonne chance.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Papa Lazarou on July 23, 2020, 01:03:13 AM
Farce upon farce.

“We strongly believe there was Russian interference in the Brexit vote.”

“Well, we didn’t see any.”

“Did you look for any?”

“Lol, no.”

“And will you allow us to have a look on your behalf?”

“Absolutely fucking not.”
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Skee on July 23, 2020, 08:00:05 AM
No point in starting another fake witch hunt.   


But if a witch hunt is a search for false truth, then a fake witch hunt would be...