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Off road riding for Kids in teh west?
« on: July 10, 2017, 10:02:48 AM »
Road trip in process - advice needed.

I am to head off off with my 8 YO boy on a 8 day road trip from the bay area in CA to Denver next week.  The rough plan is to load the dirt bikes in the back of the truck - find a few places to stop and ride and eventually meet up with Grand Pa in Colorado Springs - then get home somehow.

Do you have any specific places or recommendations where an 8 year old can ride his 70cc bike along the way with my plated KTM?
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Re: Off road riding for Kids in teh west?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2017, 10:50:39 AM »
What route-ish?  And what are his skills like?  You need gravel roads or can he handle some climbing and some light loose rocks? 
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Re: Off road riding for Kids in teh west?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2017, 11:53:18 AM »
No Route yet - still in the let's get out of dodge stage.

Skill level?  He has done a bit of single track and "Green" trails.  Dirt and fire roads are easy, but not ready for advanced stuff yet.

He is pretty good and has natural skills, a complete lack of pain perceptions, and decent judgement - for an 8 year old.

Not looking for deep sand or baby head boulders - but I'd say he can get through anything a big DS bike could do and probably a lot more.
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Re: Off road riding for Kids in teh west?
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2017, 12:12:33 PM »
LOTS-O-Forest Service roads to chose from!

www.TrailsOffroad.com
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/states/CO

www.FunTreks.com - good trail books to buy - you'd likely only look at one of them - main Colorado area

Ah, you say not looking for sand - I was going to recommend the North Sand Hills / Flats N/E of Walden CO (might be out of the way for your springs destination)
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/400-north-sand-hills

There are a BUNCH of FS roads northwest of Colorado Springs - follow Hwy 24 n/w to Woodland Park and go north. The TrailsOffroad link has a google map with trails marked. Spend some time - I'm certain you'll find some good stuff.

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Re: Off road riding for Kids in teh west?
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2017, 12:23:08 PM »
Great stuff- thx Jim.

My concern is that many of the fire roads require plates or motorcycle licensees  - in some states.

Looking for areas where riding with the lad will not end up getting me in trouble :)
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Re: Off road riding for Kids in teh west?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2017, 12:57:23 PM »
HIGHLY unlikely an un-plated vehicle would get a ticket (I've seen one ranger in ??5+ years?? trail riding) - but if you wish to be proper (always good) get one OHV sticker & registration for him.

On many trails/roads I don't think being plated is required. There seems to be question on the OHV sticker / OHV registration.

OHV seems to be controversial... Here are some posts you might find of interest (or read the thread)

http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?25794-2017-Anniversary-Run-Sat-June-17&p=313852#post313852
http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?25794-2017-Anniversary-Run-Sat-June-17&p=314768#post314768
http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?25794-2017-Anniversary-Run-Sat-June-17&p=314769#post314769
http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?25794-2017-Anniversary-Run-Sat-June-17&p=314771#post314771
http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?25794-2017-Anniversary-Run-Sat-June-17&p=314776#post314776

And this is the big one (don't worry - be happy):
http://www.frontrange4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?25794-2017-Anniversary-Run-Sat-June-17&p=314799#post314799

If you wish "rules" from the Forest Service, visit the local forest service office for a local Motor Vehicle Use Map (MVUM) (free) or you can poke about  these URL's for a downloadable PDF version.
https://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/ohv/ohv_maps.shtml
https://www.fs.usda.gov/main/psicc/maps-pubs
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/psicc/maps-pubs/?cid=stelprdb5177824
 - possibly choose the Pike Ranger District

If you're coming in from the west (passing through Grand Junction???) - stop by the FS office in GJ for some MVUM's (if they have them - sometimes they don't - but they could answer q's about un-plated use).
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Re: Off road riding for Kids in teh west?
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2017, 12:35:34 PM »
Some of the roads we were on in and around Ouray / Silverton would probably be OK and they're considered easy by most standards.  From Silverton, you could probably ride all day on mildly challenging roads and have a very good time. 

California / Corkscrew / Engineer were all relatively easy with a couple notable sections that he could try to hero or you could just assist for the couple feet that are a challenge.  It would be epic, no doubt.  I can send you a link to a great book if you need it.
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Re: Off road riding for Kids in teh west?
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2017, 04:38:20 PM »
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.  Jim mentioned the company already that does the book we have.  It's good stuff.  We refer to it all the time when we're out there.  And we don't even use GPS.  Just the pics and trail descriptions.  Here's the exact book we have and love.

https://www.funtreks.com/guide-to-colorado-backroads-4wd-trails-3rd-edition

Also, the stuff I mentioned is all full on trails, no issue w/ tags.  And I think everything north of Silverton on 2 is a free for all when it comes to machines and bikes.  Not tag issue there either.

I have raw video of several of these rides from last year.  You could evaluate yourself.  If you had more time. 
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Re: Off road riding for Kids in teh west?
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2017, 05:22:35 PM »
Sounds good - thx guys.

Evaluating options now.

I hate overthinking things - far better to just show up unprepared with tools and a VISA and let the disaster unfold :)
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Re: Off road riding for Kids in teh west?
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2017, 05:30:20 PM »
I'll second Vulcan's Animas Villiage area of Engineer / Corkscrew / California. STELLAR, above timberline, scenery. Engineer had me looking at it saying - could my honda station wagon do this - most spots were a yes. 


EDIT: Trails, should you find them and think - maybe???  I'd perhaps put them as a no for your 8yr old newbie - Black Bear's "steps" & zig-zag (the eastern portion of Black Bear could be a maybe). Red Cone (no - experienced folks have a difficult time, on the descent, keeping the rear wheel on the ground). Radical hill's steep pitch a likely no. The trails n/w of Colorado Springs are a likely yes for much of them. Most should be lower elevation / below timberline / in the trees. I have little experience with them - China Wall is about the only one in the area I've traveled. The area is popular with kids, quads n bikes, but the main CW trail has one climb spot that has me questioning. There are a ton of miles that would be wholly enjoyable for both of you. Dakan Road comes to mind.
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/276-dakan-road
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Re: Off road riding for Kids in teh west?
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2017, 01:53:32 PM »
If you're prepared for out and back, that opens up some options as well.  There is a turn around on Black Bear beyond which is point of no return and it's right before the steps.  For the record, I'm terrified of the videos and have ZERO interest in trying Black Bear.  I wouldn't let my kid walk that section. 

There's a trail to clear lake that is pretty amazing but I'm not sure where the off road part starts from a legality perspective. 
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There's a campground nearby that you might be able to use as a hopping on point.  37.826345, -107.775594  That was an amazing ride and would be a good mix.  High clearance SUVs were doing it so just a challenging dirt road.  But the destination is epic.  Check the pics when you look it up on the map. 

Also, the Red Mountain stuff on the east side of 550 is a nice ride and not difficult but it has another very high effort to payoff ratio.  Old mines litter the area.  This is an old video but you get the picture... 
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Here's good footage of Corkscrew. 
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  Start at 1:52.  At 4:32,  you're 2 minutes from an intersection that's out of sight.  They must have gone right to head down into town as evidenced by the next video cut a few seconds later.  But you see the road that goes back up and that's where you would go to get to Animas Forks.  Looking at trail maps would bring all this together.  Here's California and Hurricane from the opposite direction.  Basically, all just amazing scenery on somewhat challenging dirt roads at elevation. 
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Re: Off road riding for Kids in teh west?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2017, 02:12:28 PM »
May or may not be useful

http://www.dirtbikeutah.net/
http://dirtwheelsmag.com/home-page/top-12-riding-areas-in-utah

Only one I know of personally is five mile pass:
http://www.blm.gov/ut/st/en/fo/salt_lake/recreation/off-high%20way_vehicle/fivemile_pass.html

It looks pretty much like the pic:

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